"Green" policies are destroying this country

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121949843#Comment_121949843

There's definitely trouble and last time I visited (moved away during Covid) the place felt rougher, but yes Dublin has not turned into Kemo City off Quarantine..

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948628#Comment_121948628

That seems to be green thinking alright that each country should only produce what they need and that`s it, but how people who talk about global climate change not being able to see that a global shortage of food will kill you long before climate change to me is a mystery. And the E.U. are no guniuses in that regard either. Take wheat for example. The E.U exports on average 32 million tons of wheat annually. While they, the U.N. et al. were telling us that Ukraine not being able to export 12 million tons because of Putin`s war was going to result in hunger and famine famine in some developing countries, the E.U was attempting to push through a ban on pesticides where their own experts were telling them it would result in at least a 12 million ton reduction in E.U wheat yield.Our own homegrown green geniuses cattle culling brain fart being another example.

As far as Asia is concerned I don`t see where we should have any compunction in the E.U. to wreck our economies on their behalf. Like charity, efforts on climate change should start at home. China is burning more coal than ever to produce green tech for export to boost their economy, India and Japan both told COP in Edinburgh they would burn away at coal for the sake of theirs, and both India and China are taking advantage of the E.U. ban on Putin`s gas and oil buying it from Putin at reduced rates.

Africa is primarily nothing more than attempts at guilt tripping because some E.U. countries had colonies there in the past. THere is no shortage of E.U countries that were colonised in the past. Our own being one of the worlds longest running. But that seems to be forgotten or swept under the carpet as it doesn`t suit the narrative. The vast majority of immigrants from Africa and indeed South America, are economic immigrants not climate change immigrants. That has a lot more to do with those countries they are coming from due to mismanaging their own economies, large scale corruption, their never ending wars and coups, than a legacy of colonisation. Just to use food again as an example. Famine in Eithopia in 1985, Population 40 million. Another famine developing there now. Population 126.5 million. Last year their own government estimate that 15.8 million face hunger and they will need food aid. June 2023 the World Food Programme suspended all food aid to Eitiopia because of ongoing aid corruption.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121950075#Comment_121950075

The first and easiest thing to do that would improve the city centre would be close those drug clinics.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951258#Comment_121951258

Difficult one. The centralised clinics seem to be magnets for trouble, but how these people will handle their addictions without them is arguably far worse. Had more grief from feral kids.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951317#Comment_121951317

The feral kids seem to be drawn to trouble brought by all the junkies plying their trade in the city centre IMO. It's like a Mecca for them to zip around on their electric bikes selling tablets and gear to them.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948597#Comment_121948597

I know what epoch times are, yet that does not discredit the message. Article was made based on this study.

https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=125553

Net zero in current rather dramatic shift from hydrocarbons is being pushed way too fast without thinking about all possibilities. Be it health impact from noise or materials used in construction and operation to just uncertainity about what future holds.

Like what we will do when something like this happens?

https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1772621824943165736

and that is not some freak accident, stuff like that happens…

https://starherald.com/news/local/business/nppd-hopes-to-see-damaged-solar-panel-farm-recommissioned-by-the-end-of-the-year/article_3a7e83c8-66b8-11ee-94b4-8f86fc5c586d.html

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951726#Comment_121951726

I was wondering why I'd never heard of that journal. And guess what, they're a predatory journal. Pay enough money and you too can be published. So nope, not a legit journal.

"In 2014 there was a mass resignation of the editorial board of one of the company's journals, Advances in Anthropology, with the outgoing editor-in-chief saying of the publisher "For them it was only about making money. We were simply their 'front'.""

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_Research_Publishing

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951726#Comment_121951726

So golf ball sized hail stones been blown at 100-150mph is not some freak weather event?

How regular does this happen so?

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951892#Comment_121951892

Most journals are "Pay enough money and you too can be published". They're all at it in engineering (IEEE, IET, etc). Ask any PhD student. It's the bane of their lives. Do a bunch of research and pay to share it, instead of receiving payments for their research. The catch is that to be conferred with their PhD, they need to have a certain number of publications. That doesn't discredit the research.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952137#Comment_121952137

Making it onto a list of predatory journals means they're dodgy as ****. Their reputation is atrocious. One common way of testing their credibility is getting pure nonsense published and people have done that with them. So nothing they publish has credibility.

https://thatsmathematics.com/blog/archives/102

https://www.thomasclausen.net/bad-science-on-the-serious-of-journals/

https://www.nature.com/articles/463148a

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952137#Comment_121952137

Of course it decredits the research. Plenty of reports are paid for and the results are skewed to give the answer the person paying for it wants. It happens on both sides of the discussion but at the moment the push by oil companies to discredit anything but oil is huge

So called experts might spend their lives in uni getting qualification to just go out and write papers to match what the highest bidder wants.

eightieschewbaccy

Also if anyone has important research, they're not gonna choose a predatory journal...

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952363#Comment_121952363

Anyone intending to carry out important research is first going to pitch for funding to whoever they feel will be most interested in their findings. No different to a business approching a bank for funding for a business proposal where they would be required to do a SWOT analysis.

Any business is going to highlight the strength and opportunities while playing down the weakness and threats of their proposal in order to get that funding, and I doubt anyone pitching a research proposal for funding to those they feel would be most interested would do differently in either their proposal or final analysis.Of course that works both ways, but so does the research when it does not suit the narrative.

For the E.U. you have only to look at the proposal to reduce pesticides by 50% which would greatly cut food production without any alternatives being identified. Especially for glyphosate where the E.U. were attempting to push their proposal through based on a 2015 WHO research that it was "probably carcinogenic to humans" when their own European Food Safety Authority and the European Chemical Agency was telling them it was not. Same with biomass from which the E.U.derives 60% of its "green" energy and regards it as carbon neutral when research by even green advocacy groups such as Ember and the Natural Resource Defense Council show it to be anything but. The NRDC report found that burning wood "at the smokestack emits more CO2 than coal for every unit of electricity produced". But then when it comes to massaging the figures to suit the narrative we are not shy either. Not happy with one such plant here we are now going to start operating another in Mayo that will burn 200,000 ton of wood chip annuallly after it being shipped to Killybegs in Donegal and then transported by road to Killala in Mayo.

I would also love to see where the research came from that justified the Irish Green Party throwing hissy fits of collapsing the government if they didn`t get their way on culling cattle because whoever compiled it certainly doesn`t appear to have wasted much time identifying the weakness and threats. If they did then they were ignored because they didn`t suit the narrative.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121951354#Comment_121951354

That sounds more like gangs recruiting kids rather than the plain anti-social behaviour I had in mind. The actual problem is child protection laws where kids can just yell paedo if anyone attempts to deal with them.

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952137#Comment_121952137

Publication is not a hard requirement particularly with PhDs funded by industry rather than EPSRC but the pressure to publish is a major reason I got out of academia. Hated the way enviornmentalism was often shoehorned into papers somewhere (e.g. in reference to reduced power consumption).

ps200306

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121948628#Comment_121948628

I don't blame the EU for taking a stance on climate control. The fact
of that matter is aside from the countries being severely affected ie
Africa, parts of Asia etc who are right now experiencing severe climate
issues is that the EU is going to be heavily impacted as a result of
these disasters. EA is right on their doorstop so they know that
migration will significantly increase 100/1000x over the next decade or
two.

100x over two decades is an increase of 25.9% every year. 1000x over one decade is an increase of 99.5% every year. Do you really believe that net inward migration will increase 26% to 100% every year for the next decade or two? Here it is for the past decade:

The drop in 2020 is due to the UK leaving the EU. The spike in 2022 is not from Africa or Asia but is entirely Ukrainian. Other than that there isn't a huge trend. But you reckon it's going to start doubling every year?

Each country should only produce what they need and that's it. but its not going to happen. Too many vested interests.

Yeah. All those annoying people who depend on global trade to stay alive.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953192#Comment_121953192

I wonder where the device on which that sobering position was posted hailed from...it certainly wasn't Ireland

Blazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953225#Comment_121953225

Limerick actually. Sure my figures are off but do nothing and its going to be way way worse. You'd have to be completely stupid and brain dead to think otherwise.

gossamerfabric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952029#Comment_121952029

it is very common in late summer in continental climates for large or very large hailstones to be produced.

hail damaged cars are found throughout central europe. it took me a while to figure out how the dings in the panels got on one of my cars as it wasn't done by shopping trolleys or other cars.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121952029#Comment_121952029

According to predictions of doomsday green ideologues it is exactly what is in store for us. All you need to do is to watch some RTE and you will soon believe there may be tornadoes comming up here any day now.

Or is it all just scaremongering and we are grant?

Point here is not to dismiss stuff like this with "ah sure it never happened here" but to plan with possibility of that in mind. If we put all our eggs in just solar and wind then any freak weather event will send us to stone age quite fast.

Clo-Clo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955278#Comment_121955278

So in other words they are extremely rare.

When it happens here let us know, no need for the rant about environmentalists. It add nothing to the postjj

Captain_Crash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955408#Comment_121955408

tbf golfball sized hail is fairly common in the southern states of the US, especially at this time of year.

gossamerfabric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955408#Comment_121955408

For those of you who are interested in what hailstones can do to the sheet metal of cars then search for "Hagelschaden" in Google images. It isn't pretty. You will also find plenty of pulverised windscreens and glass sunroofs.

It is not just cars but crops of fruit and wheat which get wiped out in late summer due to hailstones.

Over the design life of a solar park operating at a location which has a "continental" climate it is not rare but highly likely that a number of panels will be broken by hailstones.

Hail showers are localized. The cost of operating the solar farm will include insurance and Insurers will adjust their premiums accordingly upping the total cost of power provision or else treated/re-enforced glass will have to be used more widely increasing construction costs.

Clo-Clo, as an environmentalist you are arguing against Nature and you only appear to understand climate as it pertains to you in damp but mild Ireland. What is more, the Chicken-little Activists are claiming that we will suffer extreme weather events more frequently than in the past as a reason to move to renewable energy.

JRant

We don't have to worry about hail storms making solar panels useless here. The big yellow ball in the sky disappears for about half the year making them next to useless anyway.

gossamerfabric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955445#Comment_121955445

Not closer to the tropics.

gossamerfabric

also, if there are giant hailstones from convective summer storms then there are also wicked lightning showers which will earth on anything with large amounts of metal like a solar park knocking out more infrastructure along the way.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954904#Comment_121954904

What exactly are you working on? PC? Dell? Mobile/tablet? If indeed it is bolted together there (and I doubt it is), the components for it sure as hell are mostly imported

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955470#Comment_121955470

It doesn't get dark there?

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955408#Comment_121955408

Hailstorms are not extremely rare, it's peak season around now in Ireland, we get them all year in Ireland, and when the severe ones hit in June, July or August damage is localised to a small area usually damaging crops (exception August 1843), therefore they seldom get widespread attention, though with the spread of video recording and social media, they can make it to the news feeds for about 5 minutes before the next click bait item arrives. Even if you regard them as a 1 in 100 year event, that's still a 1% chance of a severe event happening in any year, and just like trailer parks in the US seem to attract tornado's, solar panels attract hailstorms. For anyone with solar panels in Ireland, hail damage is not covered by warranty, make sure your home insurance policy covers the solar panels.

gossamerfabric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121955644#Comment_121955644

Sodium batteries can bridge roughly 12 hours of darkness.