Joe Rogan downplays the need for a vaccination and gets covid

steddyeddy

As it says in the title, Joe Rogan has announced he has covid. This isn't news in itself but I think it's worth discussing the fact that Joe has expressed doubt over the need for young people to get the vaccine.

“I’ve said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do. But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no.”

He clearly doesn't understand the science of vaccinations here but in fairness he did backtrack later by saying he thinks "many people should get vaccinated". He has also previously expressed doubt over the severity of covid. He is also being treated with Ivermectin, a drug used to treat parasitic infections but with no proven efficacy in regards to covid. Now I like the interviews Joe Rogan does and he seems like a nice guy. The problem is he suggests things on some shows which are really anti-science then backtracks. I mean if you're a covid sceptic fair enough but at least have the conviction to stand by what you said or think. Views?

Hugely popular US podcast host Joe Rogan has announced he has Covid, months after he caused controversy by suggesting young, healthy people did not need the coronavirus vaccine.

Rogan told his 13.1 million Instagram followers he was recovering but would have to postpone his next show.

His podcast was acquired by Spotify last year for more than $100m (£77m).

In April he faced a backlash over his vaccine comments. He later clarified: "I'm not an anti-vax person."

Anyone over the age of 12 in the US is eligible for a vaccine and nearly 62% of the country has received at least one dose. However, there has been a slowdown in the vaccination rate - particularly in the southern states - which has been blamed in part by a lack of urgency among young people.

The US has recorded nearly 39.4 million cases of Covid-19 and more than 642,000 deaths - the highest figures in the world.

Why is the US falling behind with its vaccinations?

Why Joe Rogan's exclusive Spotify deal matters

Rogan, 54, said on Instagram he had returned from a show in Florida when he began to feel "very weary" and "run down", with a headache.

He said he had quarantined himself from his family and taken a Covid test, which came back positive.

"We immediately threw the kitchen sink at it, all kinds of meds," he said, listing a string of medicines including the deworming drug ivermectin, which health experts say has yet to prove effective against Covid.

Ivermectin to be studied as Covid treatment in UK

He said that, three days on, he felt "great" but he would have to move Friday's show in Nashville to 24 October.

Wibbs

If he did come out of it after three days it would suggest something he was taking sped up the process? Probably the monoclonal antibodies and the steroid.

To be honest, I'm surprised it has taken Bro Rogan this long to get it.

BobHopeless

Everyone is going to get it at some stage vaccinated or not.

In fairness to Rogan he admits he's not a doctor or science guy or even that intelligent and people shouldn't listen to his advice on anything.

circadian

First off, I'd suspect he's been vaccinated. Secondly, he went ahead and promoted a cocktail of unproven drugs that he's taking for treatment which is just as bad, if not worse than muddying the waters around vaccines.

Brid Hegarty

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Isn't that what he admits after the cockup? when it suits him?

all joking aside,americans would want to start getting on board with the vaccines,its starting to kill in big enough numbers out there again,and likes of this lad are the ones needed to convince doubters

The smug satisfaction people on reddit/interwebs take in noted anti-vaxxers/covid deniers dying is a horrible quality.....their still people with families,kids etc let behind after em,who just been taken in by a mixture of foolishness,pride and not unreasonable concern

It’s always Americans. Seems to be like they’ve just turned everything political or into a conspiracy theory and are getting ever more lost down that rabbit hole.

There's a significant possibility that the US may just never be able to deal with COVID due to crazy politics rather than resource issues, but it could well end up doing them huge and totally unnecessary damage.

We really need to stop paying so much attention to the US crazy stuff online though. We’re at very very high levels of vaccine uptake here and, other than a few MAGA inspired types on the loonie fringe that seems much louder online than in reality, I don’t see the vaccine as being at all controversial here. It really is just the loonie fringe here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837329#Comment_117837329

The uptake in Ireland has been very heartening indeed.

exaisle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837198#Comment_117837198

Me too. I'd say the alpha and beta variants took one look at him and said "no thanks".

WesternZulu

As someone mentioned American's seem to turn everything political.

You have people who would rather die than wear a mask because wearing a mask somehow impacts on their freedom. Their warped sense of freedom is tied to being a God fearing American.

Rogan is a knuckle-dragging moron. Doesn’t surprise me in the slightest he is anti-vaccination. Is he still trying to sell overpriced ‘supplement stacks’ and nootropics to his listeners?

gypsy79

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837505#Comment_117837505

This is starting to happen here too....thats why they are attacking Joe Rogan for expressing freedom of thought

ohnohedidnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837287#Comment_117837287

What was the cock-up? If somebody is unvaccinated they presumably fully intend on catching the virus, even vaccinated people must realise by now that they're going to get covid.

If anything hasn't Joe Rogan just been proven to be right? He was sick for 1 day, and he's fine now, his Immunity is now far superior than the Immunity provided by any vaccine.

Royale with Cheese

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godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837239#Comment_117837239

Name a very rich famous person like Joe Rogan that's not over 70 that has died of Covid?

Early treatment like Rogan got can save most of the lives that have been lost in people under 70, but would cost too much $

I'm glad he's highlighting early treatment with anti virals, vitamins, antibiotics, antibody treatment, needs to be talked about more.

This sit at home and suffer with only paracetamol and then end up in hospital like the HSE advice is a disgrace.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/symptoms/treat-symptoms-home/

Tork

Rogan got access to quite a cocktail of drugs there, didn't he? I assume he has good health insurance and so, doesn't have to worry about the big bills coming his way. That's not going to be the case for many other Americans.

Edit: I took a listen to what he said he took. He says he had Monoclonal antibodies, Ivermectin, antibiotics, prednisone, NAD drip and a vitamin drip for 3 days in a row. People are getting distracted by the Ivermectin but there are some other serious medications on that list. I know, for example, that people with respiratory problems are often prescribed a course of prednisone and antibiotics when they're ill and that they're reasonably heavy-hitting treatments. All of this suggests Rogan fell quite ill despite the bravado.

BobHopeless

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837287#Comment_117837287

No he's been saying it for years

Tork

@ohnohedidnt You just said "If anything hasn't Joe Rogan just been proven to be right? He was sick for 1 day, and he's fine now, his Immunity is now far superior than the Immunity provided by any vaccine."

I'm confused. If Rogan's immunity is so great, why did he need to be treated with anything? After diagnosis, he "immediately threw the kitchen sink at it." He then went on to take Ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, Z-pack antibiotics, and a vitamin drip for "three days in a row." I've also seen a reference to prednisone which is an anti-inflammatory often taken by people with asthma and COPD. He also said he had a headache as well as feeling “very weary” and “run down”.

steddyeddy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837287#Comment_117837287

Indeed it is. Annoyingly he revises his opinions depending on the guest sometimes. The thing is he has a massive following and in a pandemic I don't think it's responsible to tell your followers not to take a vaccine if you're under 21 followed by a massive contradiction such as "I believe everyone should take them and they're safe". He should really think about what he is saying and then say it.

steddyeddy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837523#Comment_117837523

Proven right? No, not at all. His claim was that he doesn't think under 21 year olds should get the vaccine. Reducing the amount of people who take a vaccine in a pandemic makes it more likely that the virus will find natural reservoirs (unvaccinated people) and mutate into a more dangerous version. Telling more people to stay as vaccine reservoirs in a pandemic is counter productive to say the least.

Also he says he is fine and you're repeating that as gospel. What long term effects will he have from this? The literature states that there are plenty of long term effects. A plethora of long term effects have been observed with more being discovered every day. From the Tribune.

More than 50 long-term effects of Covid-19 have been detected, with mild to debilitating symptoms lasting for weeks to months after recovery, according to a study.

A study by Houston Methodist found that the most common of these lingering symptoms are fatigue at 58 per cent, followed by headache (44 per cent), attention disorder (27 per cent), hair loss (25 per cent), shortness of breath (24 per cent), loss of taste (23 per cent) and loss of smell (21 per cent).

Other symptoms were related to lung disease, such as cough, chest discomfort, reduced pulmonary diffusing capacity, sleep apnea and pulmonary fibrosis; cardiovascular issues, such as arrhythmias and myocarditis; and unspecific problems, such as tinnitus and night sweats.

The researchers were surprised to also find a prevalence of neurological symptoms, such as dementia, depression, anxiety and obsessive-compulsive disorders.

steddyeddy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837558#Comment_117837558

You're exactly right. Rogan has health insurance out of reach for most people. It's easy for him to suggest that some people not get vaccinated as he has the money to support excellent treatment. Selfish is probably a more accurate way to put it.

chalkitdown1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837700#Comment_117837700

That's the thing, though. He doesn't think. His brain is mush. It's depressing that millions and millions of people all over the world listen to this meathead moron.

ancapailldorcha

Rogan's just another cultural parasite who's happy to spread disinformation for nothing more than profit. Why anyone would take medical advice from such a man is beyond me.

Riddle101

"all kinds of meds,"

So the vaccine is bad, but taking a sh*t load of meds is good for you? Some people are so stubborn they'll do stupid things just to get out of doing the thing they're against. It's like walking onto a minefield to avoid getting shot at by the enemy.

ancapailldorcha

Ironically, Ivermectin is a worming agent for sheep. I never really knew what to make of Rogan until recently but, as usual, my cynicism is entirely justified.

Hangdogroad

Couldn't happen to a nicer fella.

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837516#Comment_117837516

Erra give me a break. He's Alex Jones with shoes.

steddyeddy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837516#Comment_117837516

I'm amazed at this way of thinking. Joe Rogan says he would advise 21 year olds to reject the vaccination if offered and he's expressing freedom of thought, doctors, nurses and scientists reply to that comment by saying it's BS and they're not expressing freedom of thought, they're attacking Joe!

circadian

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837577#Comment_117837577

@godzilla1989 Ok. So let's get this straight, because he has the money to do so, he can avail of a cocktail of unproven medicine for this knowing full well if it goes south he has immediate access to some of the best healthcare on the planet.

Some of the drugs being touted as being effective at treating covid are simply not suitable for the task. Yes, they may actually be effective but they also carry many side effects and many of those side effects are quite serious. This is not the way to approach treatment of the general population. Prozac is the latest thing being promoted as being effective as a Covid treatment. It makes absolutely no sense to use it en masse, you'd just have a swathe of issues to contend with on top of treating covid.

@Alberta64 I think it's disingenuous to try and make the point that he didn't actively promote it by saying something like "Take Ivermectin blah blah blah". He promoted it by mentioning it in the mix of drugs and vitamins he claimed he took for the infection and the result is he's feeling great a few days later. That is promotion in my eyes.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837516#Comment_117837516

Poor snowflakes think that because the say something they are somehow guaranteed they are right and exempt from crtiticism.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838655#Comment_117838655

It's the standard crybullying tactics. They're happy with all sorts of abusive behaviour and disinformation when it suits them but if you question it you're attacking them somehow.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838700#Comment_117838700

I thought we (we as in, the average everyday person who doesn't give a **** about culture war cack) were supposed to be the snowflakes, no?

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838723#Comment_117838723

Sorry, it' us simp-beta-cucks that can't handle criticism. I'll edit my comment post haste so the manly men don't get offended and don't have to rush off to some reddit echo chamber.

Notwithstanding his expensive cocktail of drugs a good case of Long Covid would soften his cough

(can appear up to 6 months later in even asymptomatic cases)

I wonder if he would be going on Instagram to tell all his bros about that?

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837296#Comment_117837296

Sorry, but f* those people who promoted skepticism about masks and vaccines, yes they have families but they are also influential and people may take them seriously and suffer the consequences. The worse thing about this pandemic is that so much doubt has been sown from conspiracy theorists, that when a virus with a much higher fatality rates comes alone we'll be stuck with all this nonsense which will have disastrous consequences. And of course then it won't be an overblown hoax, but instead the elites out to cull everyone.

Agent Coulson

Rogan knows his audience and they made him a multi millionaire it's same drone audience Trump and Fox News chase and that audience have made them all very rich at their own long term expense.

Royale with Cheese

I'm surprised he didn't tell his fans the best way to combat covid was to learn jiu jitsu, it seems to be his solution to everything.

ohnohedidnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838655#Comment_117838655

Joe had Rhonda Patrick on the show recently and she completely disagreed with him on vaccines, but she was invited on and opposing views were given a platform.

Thats a hard thing to come by these days. Some would prefer shows likes Joe Rogans didn't exist, so that the only opinions anybody ever heard were opinions they agree with.And he's incredibly popular because of those type of people. You can get banned from Facebook, twitter, YouTube for saying something thats entirely factually correct, but might hurt somebody's feelings.

When you ban people who disagree with you, they don't suddenly agree with you, they go elsewhere to discuss topics that they want to talk about, and you end up with two echo Chambers and a tonne of confirmation bias on both sides. Joe Rogans show is actually refreshingly in the middle in my opinion, both sides are given a platform on a whole range of topics. Joe's opinion, which he's entitled to are that vaccines for the young and healthy are unnecessary, everyone seems pissed off that he didn't get sicker and because he used ivernectin.

Ivermectin is a personal choice, so are all the other things Joe took, it shouldn't matter to anybody what drugs another person takes, the US has huge fatality rate from a whole host of drugs, why is everybody getting so upset about people taking anything now?

Not everybody is afraid of covid, not everybody wants to take the beloved vaccine, for some people that might mean they die, just like drinking, driving smoking and being obese will kill some people who took the vaccine. It's nobody else's business at this point, no need for everybody to get so emotional about it.

godzilla1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838917#Comment_117838917

Your a retail pharmacist or hospital, your view will be narrow looking at seriously ill or do you see on set of symptoms in retail enviroment?

What evidence? Did you prescribe them at on set of symptoms like GP's? What experience do you have with those cocktails?

If your hospital pharmacist your using IV treatments for Covid like remdesivir, monoclonal antibodies?

Why did you single out Ivermectin and not the rest?

No my local GP prescribes a mixture of Ivermectin, doxycycline, amantadine and a nasal steroid spray, no need for internet.

Curious what would you prescribe for early treatment, nothing?

If not, why do we let people get sick enough to go to hospital before getting medical treatment.

Interested to hear your thoughts here, nice to have a pharmacist on here to talk to

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838977#Comment_117838977

Pharmacists don't prescribe normally no?

An Irish doctor prescribing Ivermectin?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837287#Comment_117837287

That’s exactly his shtick.

He promotes nonsense, gives air time to bigot and then says “hey, I’m only a comedian . Why would you listen to me”

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838930#Comment_117838930

Rogan has a large influence

He knows very well that by promoting Ivermectin (yes saying that he took it and is now well amongst other things is promoting it) that he will encourage people to take it

Prescription Drugs are very expensive in the US.

People have been ordering veterinary products containing Ivermectin so much so that the FDA had to come out with a campaign "You are not a horse"

They won't be able to get monoclonal antibodies but they might well be able to get horse paste

Rogan knows exactly what he is at here and it's irresponsible at best.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839033#Comment_117839033

he has bigots on and doesn’t challenge their bigotry.

He has plenty of other people on, but this is my problem with him.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839009#Comment_117839009

Yep. It's just another flavour of Jordan Peterson's mealy-mouthed nonsense and then backs away from what they said when challenged. No sense of conviction except to grifting.

ohnohedidnt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839032#Comment_117839032

Yeah and the TV commercials promote the use of amphetanines for night shift workers (Nuvigil), and opiods for basically everything up from a grazed knee.

People making decisions about what drugs to take have to put their big boy pants on and come to their own conclusions. Ivermectin is not approved, but there might be something to it, it just hasn't been tested properly yet.

I promise you Fentanyl and oxicodone will kill far more people this year than Ivermectin, so let's not get too hung up on Ivermectin, who cares who tries it, it's a personal choice.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839081#Comment_117839081

you've just spouted a load of irrelevant whatabouterry about other drugs - completely irrelevant to the point in question

and Ivermectin has actually been tested, and shown to be ineffective

Ivermectin has repeatedly failed in several clinical trials so far to provide any statistical evidence of efficacy

A recent review of 14 ivermectin studies, with more than 1,600 participants, concluded that none provided evidence of the drug’s ability to prevent Covid, improve patient conditions or reduce mortality. Another 31 studies are still underway to test the drug.

“There is great interest in repurposing well-known inexpensive drugs such as ivermectin that are readily available as an oral tablet,” Maria-Inti Metzendorf and Stephanie Weibel, the authors of the review, said in an email to The Times. “Even if these circumstances seem ideal, the results from the available clinical studies carried out so far cannot confirm the widely advertised benefits.”

One of the largest trials studying ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment, called the Together Trial, was halted by the data safety monitoring board on Aug. 6 because the drug had been shown to be no better than a placebo at preventing hospitalization or prolonged stay in the emergency room. Dr. Edward Mills, a professor at McMaster University who led the study, which enrolled more than 1,300 patients, said the team would have discontinued it earlier were it not for the level of public interest in ivermectin.

“The data safety person said, ‘This is now futile and you’re offering no benefit to patients involved in the trial,’” Dr. Mills said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/health/covid-ivermectin-prescriptions.html

Carfacemandog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117837220#Comment_117837220

Yeah, but there's a reason the US has only 34% more cases per capita than US yet has 700% higher deaths per capita, going by the current rolling 7 day average.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839112#Comment_117839112

I don't think you managed to get out correctly what you were trying to say there.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117838803#Comment_117838803

You’d need to augment that with some DMT.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117839110#Comment_117839110

That's not good enough. There is no room for conversation. Anything that doesn't align with the "progressive" left need to be completely erased or at least insulted and labelled far right or a bigot.

Rogan has had the most diverse range of guests on and allows them to speak, regardless of his opinion on the matter. That's what makes him so good. But apparently, people think that if THEY define someone else as a bigot, then that person should not be allowed to be heard.

How very liberal