Proposed New suckler Scheme

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053493#Comment_118053493

Just see on agriland, €20 per calf. Not worth 2 squarts of goat's p1ss.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118055513#Comment_118055513

Ya I am after seeing that as well. It really show the lack of forward thinking. It one way if putting money in farmers pockets, and getting farmers to look at weight gain and getting animals to a decent weanling and store weight. When you consider that 52 million/ annum is targeted on sucklers where the average cow produced 0.8 calves/ year and that is only accross there productive life you have to question the thinking

Yet on the other side we have dairy Criss beef and especially AA breed cattle where the demand at present is on an exponential curve. We should be funding and trying to push more development funds in this direction

Anto_Meath

Them AAx dairy calves are a mixed bag.. seen a batch of 18 month old last night 330kgs very Jex got it hard to make €600 last Monday.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118055716#Comment_118055716

If they are only 330 kgs now they will struggle to kill 300 kgs this time next year. They will probably average sub 1300 euro. Having said that they will probably leave more to a lad finishing them than most AA or HE cattle going through the mart at present. Handy 400 kg AA making 850-900 euro maybe even a tad more. I cannot see the margin on them

Anto_Meath

Couldn't see a margin in them at all. Yes some of the prices been paid at the minute for these type of cattle doesn't add up. Lad over the road always bought U grade Ch cattle around 600 kgs. He is now buy AAs & He at this weight and giving up to €2.40 /kg it will be interesting to see how he goes next year.

wrangler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053493#Comment_118053493

A €33 subsidy on calves would to the dairy farmer and rise prices by €50/calf, have seen it many times over the years

tanko

I hear there’s some details out about the new BDGP scheme which runs from 2023 to 2027.

The reference year hasn’t been set yet to decide the new reference number. Number of 4/5 star animals has to be 50% in year 1, 65% in year 3 and 75% in year 5.

in years 1 and 2 80% of calves must be off a 4/5 star bull on terminal or maternal index, 85% in years 3 and 4 and 90% in year 5.

All calves born on farm have to be genotyped and this number must be 70% of the reference number.

Cows and calves must be weighed before weaning and calf must be at least 3 months old at weighing.

Joining Bord Bia is compulsory.

Theres a training course in years 1 and 2. The consultant gets €100 per farmer per year for this, no payment for the farmer.

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137944#Comment_118137944

seems a bit more tricky for an extra €1k.

possibly a lot of farmers might skip this one.

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118138029#Comment_118138029

It’s €150/cow for the first 10 cows and €120/cow after that. It’s hard to know how popular it’ll be. I’d say having to sign up for five years and having to join Bord Bia will put a lot off it.

dh1985

Think I will be bowing out of the bdgp if that's the rules. Think both the further 5 year lock in and the bord bia requirement would put me off. Don't like the 4 and 5 star requirements increase either as I don't think they have made any significant advancements from genotyping and some of my best performing cows are the lower rated ones and vice versa. Even though I would meet the star requirements now too much uncertainty on how the compute the star rating would leave me skeptical.

Lime Tree Farm

Has bvd been eliminated yet, it would be ideal swooping over to genotyping calves instead of taking bvd tissue tagging.

ABitofsense

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118138123#Comment_118138123

Yeah the joining of board BIA is annoying me, I don't factory anything so not sure where the benefit is for me. The rest I wouldn't have as much issue with as nearly all my sucklers are 4 or 5 star and I use AI anyway. I like the idea of all calves being genotyped as this should get rid of wrong sires & lads that still don't bother filling it in.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118140068#Comment_118140068

First off Board Bia is pretty straight forward if you are a suckker farmer. The only real thing you want to watch is withdrawal dates on cull cows. That and ICBF are mandatory for most schemes now.

If a grass fed scheme comes in you will probably have to join BB anyway as it will be solar to AA grass fed status cattle will be making a premium over other stock

Easten

Does joining BB involve having farmyard up to a certain standard too? If this is the case then a lot of the smaller poorer farmers will be out of luck as they didn't have the funds to be investing in facilities.

No doubt the reference will be after the Beam scheme so anyone that was in that will now have a smaller number

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118140489#Comment_118140489

No the only real important thing with BB is that your medicine records and herd book are in order.

After that feed records and a few other bits a d pieces. They send you out a records books it fairly easy to keep up to date.

It looks at your housing, crush and other facilities but no e if these are a fail. It's not about perfection you only have to pass.

First audit is nearly an automatic pass just have medicine records and feed dockets

893bet

Bb doesn’t drive you to do too much more than the minimum that would be required for a department inspection.

I think it’s great as it ensures to keep on top of the stuff your are required to collect.

ABitofsense

For the reference year, will the number be determined based on opening stock, cows calved or closing stock of that year? Or some other way?

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118141477#Comment_118141477

I would imagine on number of cows calves that calves were registered to.

Hard Knocks

The Star requirement is what’s putting me off

I was hoping these stars would go away

Micey.ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137944#Comment_118137944

Tanko Any harm asking where u got that information.

€100 for consultant not farmer doesn’t seem right.Never needed consultant to enter previous scheme.

Not be a rush to enter with them terms

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118142862#Comment_118142862

Article on online Irish Farmers Journal. The €100 x 2 years is for a livestock handling course apparently.

dh1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143001#Comment_118143001

More jobs for the boys I would think

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118142477#Comment_118142477

The Eurostar’s are here to stay, overall it’s a flawed system but once the beef breed societies all accepted it that was that.

A big problem is that Genomics hasn’t done what we were told it would do.

Hard Knocks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143051#Comment_118143051

Totally flawed alright

Stars keep changing no matter the age and if genomic tested or not

I do agree with DNA testing, could the 1 sample not do dna & BVD?

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118143229#Comment_118143229

That would be handy alright but there’s only one lab doing the DNA testing afaik and they aren’t doing BVD testing.

Jim_11

I think I’d read somewhere that weighing was going to be included in this scheme, where does that leave beep? Will it still exist?