Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Quags

Here is the details

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457452#Comment_118457452

Someone else using a 2019 projection for 2020 based on trends as the actual for 2020. There is no accurate measure of global death rates as reporting is restricted in much of the globe.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457458#Comment_118457458

Its now 11th January.

ICU numbers have been trending down for 2 months now, with no substantial increase whatsoever during this "wave".

Case numbers now also appear to be falling again.

Varadker has now stated quite clearly what everybody already knew, that Omicron is a far milder variant.

There are 3 full weeks left in January, so even accounting for the constant need to have another 2 weeks to think about it, there is simply no reason for restrictions to remain past the end of this month. Going into February with these nonsensical capacity and time limits on businesses is not justified and should be deemed as unacceptable.

Zebra3

If NPHET can’t get restrictions in during the winter, they’ll have themselves out of a job by summer.

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457959#Comment_118457959

Very true and we can actually say the goalposts have shifted again from 'case numbers too Hospital/ICU numbers' with Leo saying 'its not about case numbers anymore'

It would make you feel sick

deholleboom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457959#Comment_118457959

Expect the reports of staff shortages to go up in direct relation to cases and hospitalisations going down. This will keep lifting restrictions at bay for some time, say...mmm.. 2 weeks after january 30th.

lawred2

So why did rte have another ISAG lad on prime time?

How do they keep getting such exposure?

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457315#Comment_118457315

It's got fúck all to do with England. What is it about the deference to England in this thread?!

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458481#Comment_118458481

Haven't seen any deference to England in this thread.

Just people pointing out how they are performing better with civil rights and the report earlier in the thread has shown that with more freedom, they have less cases.

Sadly, some here will find that difficult to accept, and will try to distract from it.

daydorunrun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458353#Comment_118458353

Haven’t watched prime time in about 6 months but stuck it on there buoyed by the fact I think we’re in the end game- that ISAG lad said we are moving to quick with new isolation rule because of long covid??

seriously the country is grinding to a halt and this guy has moved on from deaths to case numbers, to hospitalisation to ICU numbers and now long covid is the reason to leave the country in a state of paralysis! Mental.

KanyeSouthEast

Which ISAG loon was on?

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458556#Comment_118458556

It’s not mental. So many desperate to keep themselves relevant.

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458481#Comment_118458481

Calm down. England offered to host the ‘home games’ thus putting pressure on Scotland, IRFU etc. sturgeon is now back pedalling.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458543#Comment_118458543

Countless people have stated that England will force our governments hand to reduce restrictions. It's nonsense.

St.Spodo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457458#Comment_118457458

Going in to March with a 10pm curfew on hospitality when we'll have practically the entire population either boosted, recently vaccinated or infected within the last couple of months would be outrageous. It would be scandalous.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458631#Comment_118458631

That’s not deference.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457452#Comment_118457452

I would not put much store in world figures accuracy for the same reasons raind has pointed out.

When it comes to Europe though we can see from the monthly excess death the effect this virus has had from Jan 2020 - Oct 2021.

I would not see it as a coincidence that the months with increases in excess deaths coincided with Covid waves.

Just in next weeks nphet recommendations:

1. Wear a full hazmat suit
2. shoot an outbreak monkey 

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458640#Comment_118458640

Exactly - what's the fookin point in getting a booster (even looking beyond that its practically useless for Omicron anyways) to sit at home on the couch cause the restaurant/cinema/pub is shut at 8pm.

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458640#Comment_118458640

It absolutely would be but so many things in the past that were equally as scandalous in the industry and nothing ever came from the dissatisfaction of it

The mandatory €9 meal that included places shutting at 11pm and only allowing pubs that have kitchens open, the fact the government brought it back in for December 2020 was a farce

The 2 week opening of Wet Pubs in October 2020

The 15x customers maximum outdoor service that came in for a few days in October 2020

The long wait for reopening in 2021 with firstly outdoor service only and finally indoor allowed but

The nightclub ticket stuff

now the 8pm close

growleaves

Penfailed, raind, charlie14, astrofool...are you coming to Dublin to protest restrictions on 22nd January?

Please come.

What is needed is a big crowd. Posters who have defended some restrictions up to now should come as well because it's time to put these restrictions to bed.

A nudge to the government in the form of big protests will give them the political capital they need to wind down some of these harsh laws.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458689#Comment_118458689

Thanking England or Boris for Scotland making their own decision isn't deference? Okay.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458754#Comment_118458754

What do you think this protest will do apart from impact businesses in the city center?

Hey boy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458760#Comment_118458760

It can be healthy sometimes to acknowledge when others have made better decisions than us.

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458773#Comment_118458773

If it could get as big as water charges protests it would give Leo the political capital to allow us to have a more open society like England and Scotland. Probably there would still be restrictions but fewer and they would be reduced more quickly is my hope. It's a vague aim but it's not an exact science.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458793#Comment_118458793

If they get 1000 people they will do well.

Restrictions are coming to an end naturally and thankfully.

All this does is impact business who the same people seem to be so concerned about.

growleaves

There were very large protests in London last year. That was the prologue to the reopening in England.

daydorunrun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458793#Comment_118458793

it’s hard to protest without it being undermined by the press here. The numbers reported in attendance, the placards that are photographed and put on the front of the papers- only takes one picture of some loon with a ‘vaccine’s kill’ placard and it’s a demonstration of conspiracy theorists or far right.

maybe instead of a demonstration it should be rebranded as a farewell parade to say ‘Thanks and goodbye’ to NPHET?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458769#Comment_118458769

Not going to lie, it's tempting

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118458793#Comment_118458793

While I certainly support the sentiment, pinning your hopes on Leo is probably not the best idea.

Leo is all about Leo. The guy will do whatever he thinks is best for him, which is grand if it's a "soft" populist feel-good issue (don't forget his u-turn on SSM and even "coming out" on national radio when the polls showed overwhelming support), but he's not as keen if there's an actual real decision to be made or where he might be held responsible later.

Can't have such things tarnishing his rise to wherever is next for him after all. He's previously said he doesn't see his whole career in Irish politics - although he did later roll back on that because... people took it as him not being committed and thus harming his image!

On this one he'd have to face down NPHET but also the vocal RTE audience (many of whom would be FG's core vote) who are quite happy to see this drag on and on under the guise of protecting people!