Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

noraos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326950#Comment_118326950

This makes sense for those most vulnerable, and at risk. this does not make sense any for young healthy people, who are very very unlikely to rake up a hospital beds..

Nursing home visits have no mandates for Covid certs.. the HSE website mentions 'Your visit will be safer for everyone if you are fully vaccinated against COVID-19.'' https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/covid19/people-at-higher-risk/visiting-nursing-homes-care-facilities/

However there is no 'law' or enforcement from the government for this, but yet a young person cant go to the gym, cinema, or even bloody DANCE in a venue cos of certs... and this is what is being enforced? That to me is madness ... and makes no sense

Viscount Aggro

You can be jailed for not wearing a mask.

See that Cork woman for example.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326020#Comment_118326020

Freedom and no masks or vaccine passports. Same reason I emigrated to Sweden earlier this year. But it was too cold there. So a state like Florida would be nice.

I also would feel at home in a red state. I, like around a third of the Irish people, am politically homeless. I can't stand the idea of a country where all the political parties are the same, the Irish media depress me, and covid has shown how there's never really been a tradition/culture of liberty in Ireland. I haven't lived in Ireland fulltime in a long time, but it depresses me going back there.

The only problem with going to the US is that Fauci is there. But at least it's a big country.

noraos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327064#Comment_118327064

My understanding, is that she is being very very abusive to staff in the local shops and businesses, so much so, that they could not ignore her anymore, and unfortunately for all involved, it resulted in her returning to the same places frequently and they had to do something, she has been arrested multiple times as far as I know.. she is harassing's and abusing staff doing what they are being told to do.. while I dont agree with jail etc... people should be allowed to go about doing their jobs without abuse like that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326612#Comment_118326612

I still think you're in the best country a person could be in. The US has a great constitution, there's a strong tradition/culture of liberty there, and it's 'the land of the free' (what a wonderful concept). It's also a country made up of many different countries. It's a wonderful country in that respect.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327077#Comment_118327077

What a joke .

Viscount Aggro

You are not free, that's the issue.

F. Off. I'm not wearing a mask.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326864#Comment_118326864

Lol. Men don't care if children have shoes?

Jesus.

Thanks m Murphy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326846#Comment_118326846

No issue with the fat cat stuff, but I think it's curious that white middle aged man is acceptable verbiage to use when conjuring a despicable negative image of people who are uncaring.

Anyway enough off topic, I think we can all agree it was unnecessary and inappropriate.

The restrictions are coming guys, but the garishness and overt way which these are coming, ten days before Christmas is appalling.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327100#Comment_118327100

Why? What's attractive about living in a country with endless restrictions? Where the political parties are identical? Where there's no proper fourth estate (or no voice for around a third of the population)? Where the weather is bad all the time? Where everything is expensive? Where every day scientists and doctors are in the media and on tv talking about never going back to normal, about more restrictions, about case numbers, about punishing people who don't wish to be vaccinated?

If that's what people are into, then that's okay. But there's a big world out there and lots of nice and interesting places to see. And when you're politically homeless it's a complete waste of time. So better to be somewhere where you have things in common with people.

CruelSummer

GP’s going to be asked to stop doing ‘some of the work’ they normally do in order to concentrate on booster rollout. Is this necessary? Why would anyone from ages 16 - 50 be rushing off to get a booster if they’re fully vaccinated and then taking a place from older cohorts who would benefit much more from it.

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327100#Comment_118327100

It’s not a joke unfortunately.

Thankfully the church has lost its domineering influence but we are still stuck with careerist politicians (keep it in the family) and a cosy smug cliquey media.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327043#Comment_118327043

What you are suggesting is to bring in an age related cert instead, right now it's done on vax/no vax due to the overwhelming numbers of unvaccinated in hospital (and their age is also much lower than the average age of the vaccinated) essentially you'd be banning 50+ year olds from those locations instead to have the same effect on hospitalisation numbers (or you bring in more restrictions on everybody or you stop treating certain groups as the hospitalisation numbers get too high).

noraos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327234#Comment_118327234

Im not suggesting anything at all.. I was highlighting that the previous poster mentioned that the certs keep the unvaccinated people out of high transmission areas, therefore reducing hospital beds being taken up disproportionately by the unvacced .

My response was that the the restrictions being brought in are primarily effecting the younger generation even those vaccinated- they are very unlikely to take up hospital beds ... and these restrictions are mandated, not advised... yet our most vulnerable people in relation to Covid, have no mandated laws inplace to protect them.... the responsibility is left to the people themselves.. ie the visitors..

Would it not make sense to mandate antigen testing before visiting nursing homes, even if no symptoms, it offers some level of protection , better than thinking the vaccine / cert is a golden protection shield- cos its not, as we know now, unfortunately. We all wish it was...

So we end up asking why are the laws there... to protect the old? doesn't look like it..........to protect the young? ... doesn't make scientific sense as they are the least likely to be effected... mind wonders .. I dont think any age group or anyone should be banned from anything.. and it most certainly shouldnt be in written into any laws either ... 2 years later almost.. no way

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327190#Comment_118327190

Its almost as if they hope by saying boosters frequently enough, young and healthy already vaccinated people won't have time to stop and question why they actually need another jab.

It really feels like we're being lead on a merry dance.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118322905#Comment_118322905

The general health of the average person in the early 20th Century also needs to be considered,particularly in the immediate aftermath of the Great War,which was'nt called that for nothing.

Widespread starvation,malnitrition and famines,which never made the news,because the News media back then was not IMMEDIATE a Lá today,and the lack of the broad range of medicines which today are commonplace.

I suggest the Spanish Flu comparisons are moot,simply because the World and it's human occupants were not directly comparable in real times at all .

Right now,our largest societal problem is finding a means to shut down the almost constant flow of negative non-news coverage of a Variant which appears far less dangerous than it's supposedly lethal predecessors....In the current situation this sort of stuff simply does NOT fit the remit of a State Run Public Broadcaster .....https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1215/1266798-coronavirus-explainer/ "How worried SHOULD we be about the Omicron variant ? "......C'mon outa that...get a life Dee Forbes and bring your Editorial Staff to heel before they end up gorging upon themselves !!!

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324793#Comment_118324793

Valid point indeed.

I would imagine the final tally for the HSE's Covid PR budget will be suitably buried or stashed away on page 1995 of their accounts,but this type of 24/7 campaign is expensive,VERY expensive particularly over all media types.

Most of it is pure drivel,and overarchingly tilted towards maintaining a level of Fear amongst the great unwashed,which in turn can lead to a level of self-policing and touting,which has always been an Irish strongpoint as can be understood from the History of British Rule in Ireland,where Irish people were the most enthusiastic enforcers of their Majesties policies against other Irish people.

History repeating itself ? - You bet !

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325872#Comment_118325872

Agree 100%.

Modern Day Europe appears to now be run by Samsonite,such is the never ending fixation with CASES !

This has never been about cases,the vast majority of which have NEVER even come close to threatening humanity's existence.

I am heartened that there is a slow awakening,which is leading to people,at least voicing their concerns,even if it is in hushed tones.

Sadly the Covid industry is now a big budget affair,and due to the Emergency Provisions of the 1947 Health Acts,huge payments have been made for goods & services NEVER subjected to the rigors of a functional Tendering Process which would have been ordinarly required,and which would,at least,allowed for some oversight as to where this (our) money is actually ending up.

The entire thing stinks to high heaven ! 😡

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326609#Comment_118326609

The main risk is that the young fella can't go to the cinema because he didn't get a vaccine... A vaccine which has been proven to do a lot of good

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323813#Comment_118323813

Ah no they exist alright.

Sadly

snowgal

Can guarantee we’ll see a drop in tests over the next week, people won’t want to isolate for Christmas!

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327190#Comment_118327190

No real media coverage of the variety of "supports" to GP's provided by the HSE during Covid-19,or indeed the greater issue of just how Practices performed during the past 18 months.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327665#Comment_118327665

The young fella can't go to the cinema because of authoritarian overreach by his government.

I hope he remembers it when he turns 18.

M_Murphy57

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327168#Comment_118327168

You're right. Rich white men have never oppressed anyone and are renowned for their empathy and wide ranging compassion.

"I think we can all agree" the faux outrage is a bit cringe.

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327234#Comment_118327234

Except it is age related as those of certain age can't be vaccinated and therefore except

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327960#Comment_118327960

So now you're suggesting restricting everyone over 18? Under 18? Obviously not, but you've gone a bit sideways.

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327988#Comment_118327988

I'm pointing out your flawed support of the vaccine pass.

I'm not the one suggesting we ban anybody. That's you.

You seem perfectly happy to have children indoors but not an 18 year old. Why is that?

Neither will end up in hospital.

So clearly YOU are okay with age based discrimination.

Become older and lose your freedoms. For what?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327322#Comment_118327322

The restrictions are to protect the health system from being overrun so everyone (vaccinated and unvaccinated) can be treated when hospitalised by SARS-COV2.

Which group are most at risk of being hospitalised if we don't go by age? The unvaccinated. if we go by age, 60+, if we go by age and unvaccinated, likely 40+.

watchingfromafar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328008#Comment_118328008

Obese people.

So let's ban them. Its not age then

Sound good?

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328003#Comment_118328003

The vaccine pass keeps those most likely to be hospitalised (12x) away from socially risky locations.

If we don't go by COVID pass, what restriction are you in favor of instead? Or who do we stop treating? (still unanswered except for vague notions about EU control which leads me to think you think the restrictions are fake and should be completely dropped?)