Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Stormyteacup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329191#Comment_118329191

One last time, from HSPC;

“Risk of severe outcomes during the month of October 2021

o unvaccinated individuals were 3 times more likely to be hospitalised with laboratory confirmed COVID-19 than fully vaccinated individuals

o unvaccinated individuals were 11 times more likely to be admitted to ICU with laboratory confirmed COVID-19 than fully vaccinated individuals”

Not disputing ICU has disproportionately higher number of unvaccinated- I’ve already posted why the 50/60 of the sickest people in a country of 5 million might not be representative of demonstrating the effectiveness of the vaccine, and that’s a separate argument.

Point stands - you are not 12 times more likely to be hospitalised if unvaccinated compared to someone vaccinated.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329443#Comment_118329443

You beat me to it. It's this running to get tested because of the sniffles, or - even worse - "just in case" you might have it that is among the biggest issues here

Just stay home a few days and sure, if you actually get worse, get tested or call your doctor but FFS it's like people have lost the ability to think independently and use a bit of cop on through all this.

It's like the bad old days of the Church.. everyone knew what was going on was wrong, many didn't really believe anymore, but very few actually spoke out and those that did were roundly criticised because the Irish as a whole really need to be part of the consensus and show how compliant they are in public.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329519#Comment_118329519

It wasn't even named until May this year.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329554#Comment_118329554

Cop on yourself. People can't just take time off work without confirmation of a positive test.

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329443#Comment_118329443

Hahaha militants, the tests are 4 quid in every shop and you don't have to put them much up your snout at all. No previously if I had the sniffles I wouldn't get a covid test. But since covid I would get a test. Mental I know.

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329554#Comment_118329554

But I never said if you just had the sniffles. I said symptoms, and I'm talking about a few different covid symptoms. So misrepresent my post sure why not. Anyway I am fully anti lockdown at this stage but not anti testing for covid.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329313#Comment_118329313

He has been making it up as he goes along. Next he will be limiting pubs to selling milk

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329622#Comment_118329622

€2.49 in Aldi, box of 5 for €12 in Lidl. Free in both supermarkets and every other location they're "sold" across the border.

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329702#Comment_118329702

Ah yeah but I've everyone else is happy you have the sniffles why bother. That 2.49 is 40% of a full pint.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329639#Comment_118329639

But see here's the thing..

The vast majority of the adult population (especially the actually vulnerable elderly, immunocompromised, or infirm) have at least been double-vaccinated at this point, with kids now also being herded into vaccination centres as well.

If the vulnerable are protected then what are you getting tested for? In case you might give it to someone like myself (ie: the same vast majority of the population) who probably won't even notice they have it, or at most where it will present as a mild flu?

We know the HSE are all for the current setup - they are getting endless funding, it's a great employment scheme, and the more systemic failings in the system are being glossed over. The media love it as they're getting a fortune in ad revenue, and the politicians are all for it as they can point to the "experts" and say they were following the advice no matter what happens.

At what point do we move the focus and responsibility to the actually (potentially) at risk, as opposed to asking the entire population to continue with this nonsense?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329763#Comment_118329763

Yeah I suppose everybody being happy with you having the sniffles doesn't do much for the overall spread. Also somebody who tested positive with a PCR could scientifically leave their isolation after a negative antigen

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329777#Comment_118329777

If the vulnerable are protected why are hospital numbers so high?

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329801#Comment_118329801

Because:

1) covid is never going away and there will always be some people who suffer bad from it - regardless of vaccination status.

2) because our hospital capacity is so pitifully low, that a relative low number of covid cases can rapidly take up most of hospital beds.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329763#Comment_118329763

Jesus. Expensive pints down your way!

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329519#Comment_118329519

Yep. Delta was here last Christmas

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329842#Comment_118329842

Spoons has just opened last week haha but yes. Expensive little beauties

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329861#Comment_118329861

Another poster above said that Delta wasn't even named this time last year. 😀

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329777#Comment_118329777

Nah man I agree the restrictions are nonsense and I don't even believe in making everyone get pcr tests ,but I do think if you have a few symptoms you should get an antigen test at the very least , so you know yourself to stay away from others. We know the vaccines are shite so it's a bit selfish to be like oh I might have covid but sure everyone's vaccinated. Knowing they are shite.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329873#Comment_118329873

Ah it's a bit like how Covid was likely here late 2019 too and yet there weren't people dying on the streets, swamping the hospitals (no more than usual for this time of year) and life went on ACTUALLY normally despite the sniffles and normal illness this time of year. Yes some people died of course which is sad but also normal and not unexpected in the vulnerable cohorts

It's only when we gave it a name that the panicking started.. and even despite that, it very quickly became clear that most of our population was at little to no real risk from it, but yet for whatever reason (actually several reasons as per my last post) the Government and HSE never moved on from that March 2020 approach.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329861#Comment_118329861

No. It wasn't.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329863#Comment_118329863

I'd pay a premium to avoid 'spoons TBH!

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329873#Comment_118329873

It wasn't even detected outside India until February.

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329519#Comment_118329519

That was Alpha, or the Kent variant as it was known back then.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329895#Comment_118329895

My point though is you shouldn't need tests to use a bit of cop on. If you have symptoms then stay put a few days and see how you get on.

We've become too reliant on testing everyone regardless at this point.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329904#Comment_118329904

I actually think the same that covid was here in 2019. I remember this time 2019 being floored by a chest infection as the Dr diagnosed it then again 6 weeks later I was hit again and I remember asking the Dr at the time about covid and how could i tell the difference if the symptoms are the same as other respiratory illnesses and he was saying you would have to get tested. Roll on this year and I am suffering with my breathing and it was found that I have an infection on my lung that is not going away and the Dr asked if I have had covid. Really think it was covid back in 2019 start of 2020. Any pcr test, blood test or antigen test have all been negative for covid.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1471423101586087940

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's absolutely nuts to demand fresh restrictions in light of this evidence.

Literally nuts.

We're not following the science, we're following gutless politicians who are too timid to stand up to NPHET - who, yet again, are being proven wrong.

celt262

Should the pubs close if this variant will spread as easy as they say or stay open like the government have used the schools to spread it?

It will be in every house with a school going age child by the middle of January so they are going to have to change rules on Isolation etc if the economy is going to able to function in any way.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330018#Comment_118330018

They are following those who scream the loudest. As you can see on here anyone who speaks out against more restrictions or wants to have restrictions lifted get labeled all sorts by those who want to see restrictions continue or worse further lockdowns even when it makes absolutely no sense. I have said before government should issue guidance to people and then people need to make their own decisions on what they want to do and restriction should be eased. All these restrictions are about politicians protecting themselves and HSE management for their mismanagement of the Health Service.

prunudo

Any bets on what time the 'it is believed many government minsiters are shocked at the nphet projections' tweets will start.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330015#Comment_118330015

It has to have been here. You only need to look at how much traffic comes through the airport, and how many Europeans and others are employed here in multinationals and elsewhere to see that.

Wasn't the first story here about a group of students who'd come back from a school trip somewhere?