Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323056#Comment_118323056

It's great at the time and then afterwards I think later on, if restrictions were followed it could avoid lockdowns in the future

There was a huge outbreak at a pub on O Connel Street last December, music blasting, dancefloor open, food available but not required etc etc etc

I'd say it was nice but look what happened in January then...

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118322999#Comment_118322999

In which country was the cave?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323090#Comment_118323090

Is the idiot Biden or Trump? There have been more deaths under Biden's watch than under Trump's.

Do you not think the word 'wave' is abused a lot? I've read about 4th and 5th waves that weren't actually waves. They were just cases. If cases are waves then there are non-stop waves of all viruses that circulate throughout the year.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323121#Comment_118323121

Trump was hiding figures so that's no surprise. The word "wave" is a scientific term, when you have a graph of something v time a wave is the portion where the thing increase over time and then decreases after a peak. If you quickly Google "Sine wave" you will see the earlier examples of a wave

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323115#Comment_118323115

70% of usual spread or 70% more than usual?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118322387#Comment_118322387

The problem is that there's no real (long) history or tradition/culture of freedom in Ireland. There is in the US (hence the banning of vaccine passports in many states) and there is in England to a lesser extent. That's why there's a lot of opposition to vaccine passports in England. Many people describe them as anti-British. You couldn't imagine anyone ever saying that vaccine passports were anti-Irish, and sure enough hardly anyone has or did.

Another problem is that Ireland is a pretty dull and uninspiring place. Weather is often bad, country is very small, food isn't great, and there just isn't that much to do. So covid gives meaning to a lot of people's lives.

And then there's the problem of how (many) doctors view the world. I thought this article was interesting: Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID - The Atlantic

The author describes how the National Institutes of Health defines a 'problem drinker':

"I am always tempted to ask the people who breathlessly quote what various public-health authorities are now saying about masking and boosters whether they know how the National Institutes of Health defines a “problem drinker”? The answer is a woman who has more than one “unit” of alcohol a day, i.e., my wife and nearly all of my female friends. These same authorities, if asked, would probably say that considerable risks are associated with eating crudos or kibbeh nayyeh, or taking Tylenol after a hangover."

Ha Long Bay

Another problem is that Ireland is a pretty dull and uninspiring place. Weather is often bad, country is very small, food isn't great, and there just isn't that much to do. So covid gives meaning to a lot of people's lives.

Do you actually live in Ireland? From that quote above it does not appear you do.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323147#Comment_118323147

Biden, during one of the presidential debates, said that anyone who was responsible for x number of deaths (I don't remember the number he said) shouldn't be President of the US. But more people have died under Biden's watch. And that's with vaccines.

So if you have 500 cases and no one in hospital, it's a wave? If that's the case then there have 20 or 30 waves in many countries.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323212#Comment_118323212

You don't think it's a dull place? I think it's pretty grey and bleak. Compared with other countries, I mean. London, for example, is a lot more interesting than Dublin. Bigger, more to do and see, weather isn't as bad, nicer food. But my point was more about how covid gives and brings meaning to a lot of people's lives because of boredom.

Occasionally I do.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323237#Comment_118323237

So you can't remember the figure Biden said but he definitely has caused more deaths than that figure? I see

No because a wave is over time, as per my earlier explanation

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323174#Comment_118323174

The fact that you think drinking alcohol every day isn't a problem is worrying.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323251#Comment_118323251

220,00: Anyone responsible for so many Covid-19 deaths ‘should not’ be president: Joe Biden | World News - Hindustan Times

“Anyone who’s responsible for that many deaths should not remain as president of the United States of America,” Biden said in the opening remarks of the showdown that comes just 12 days before the election."

Biden’s Covid Death Milestone - WSJ

More Americans have died of the virus in 2021 than in the whole of 2020. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. Biden obviously feels that he himself should not remain as President of the US. Funny he hasn't said it, however.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323268#Comment_118323268

Are the 2 scenarios in any way equivalent?

trumpy was in charge during the first outbreaks, railed against restrictions, ignored masks and told people to ingest disinfectant, he left office stewing in his own juices about the election result ignoring that there was no vaccine stock built up.

Biden came in, got everyone who wanted a vaccine vaccinated, encouraged public health measures and got things opening up. He has been resisted by GOP governors (trump himself got vaccinated) and representatives at all turns who are happier to watch their constituents die unnecessarily rather than take a safe vaccine to save their life, all while handling a more transmissible and deadly variant.

There is "both sides" and there's rational and dumbasses. How do you suppose Biden should go about getting health measures and vaccinations in place?

And aren't you being a complete hypocrite here as you want no masks, no restrictions which will lead to many more unnecessary deaths, are you changing your tune here?

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323249#Comment_118323249

No I don't think it's a dull place at all and honestly if you do live here and leave your house how can think its grey and bleak. It's a beautiful country and I am fortunate to have been born and live here.

What's more interesting about London you mentioned it's bigger and more to see but you are viewing that from tourist eyes. If you lived in London you can say the same about New York etc.

You also gripe about food and weather here, again what's so much different between Dublin and London? We have amazing restaurants here and as much as we like to complain about weather I can't count on one hand in the last 3 months where there was a day where you could get outside for a walk and enjoy the beauty of this country due to weather.

MOR316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323105#Comment_118323105

I can say with 100% certainty that one pub in O'Connell Street was not responsible for what happened last January but, more to do with young people coming home from the UK and spreading it to their families and them spreading it to their friends and colleagues at work, household visits, mingling with shoppers in packed shops and centres, along with nights out.

It was not solely because of the pubs been opened that is happened. If it was, the numbers would have collapsed in a far shorter time

The narrative that the pubs are solely to blame for it all is up there with the 6% unvaccinated are to blame for it all or "the gays" were to blame for the AIDS pandemic

aziz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323056#Comment_118323056

Unfortunately,restrictions being followed in the bars I’ve been in

some pain in the hole

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323291#Comment_118323291

That's not the point. Biden said Trump shouldn't remain President because of the number of deaths under his watch. But there have been far more deaths under Biden's watch. So should Biden hold himself to the same standard and resign?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323262#Comment_118323262

A person who drinks two glasses of wine is a 'problem drinker' according to the National Institutes of Health. Do you agree that a person who drinks two glasses of wine a day is a problem drinker?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323292#Comment_118323292

Yes, I would say New York is more interesting than London. I'd love to visit New York. For me 'interesting' is how much there is to do and see in a place. That's why I don't like small countries.

I just find the food to be a lot nicer in England. I don't think I like any Irish food. But maybe that's because I don't eat it that often.

The thing I do like about Ireland is the countryside. I just wish it was a tropical country with amazing beaches and sunny weather 365 days a year. I don't like the seasons at all.

But anyway, we're going off topic here a bit.

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323340#Comment_118323340

Yes. Anyone drinking alcohol every day has a problem with alcohol.

ceadaoin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323308#Comment_118323308

How about no one is to "blame" for the spread of microscopic airborne particles? A virus is gonna do what viruses do

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323364#Comment_118323364

Anyone who drinks alcohol to excess every day, I would say. Not someone who drinks two glasses, or even one and a half (it's merely more than one unit according to the Institutes) glasses, a day.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323354#Comment_118323354

Agree it's off topic just interesting to get an alterative view from a poster like yourself that's why I was asking. I am not looking for conflict at all.

On the food thing what is better about food in England compared to here? Also your comment "I don't think I like any Irish food" to me is unusual.

On this one:

The thing I do like about Ireland is the countryside. I just wish it was a tropical country with amazing beaches and sunny weather 365 days a year. I don't like the seasons at all.

Can see where you are coming from here I think everyone would like sunny weather 365 days a year and glad you appreciate the countryside. Think positive though we live in a country where we typically won't be taken out by a hurricane, earthquake tsunami, wildfires etc. and in the tropics malaria etc.

JoChervil

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323380#Comment_118323380

Yeah, only few days ago I discovered that in Ireland there are only normal people or alcoholics, nothing in-between, no problematic drinkers...

MOR316

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323375#Comment_118323375

Well yeah, that too

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323391#Comment_118323391

Get a relevant forum guys haha

Penfailed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323380#Comment_118323380

Drinking alcohol every day = dependency = problematic drinking = your wife = her friends.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323364#Comment_118323364

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323380#Comment_118323380

OT I know but 'drinking to excess' is a hard one to measure. Everyone is different, and how they handle their drink differs from person to person, but from personal experience, I can tell you, a person who drinks 2 glasses of wine every mid week night and more at weekends can have a problem. In my mind if its having a negative impact on their personality, moods and day to day activities (or lack of) they have a problem with drink. They don't need to be necking bottles to have an issue.

And to tie it back to covid, lockdowns and restrictions have lead to a lot of the above in my experience.

hunter2000

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323163#Comment_118323163

The same 70% that Pfizer has

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323308#Comment_118323308

Isn't it great that you've got someone else to blame!