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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭ hollypink


    Swimming pools are excluded from the covid cert requirement for some reason. Or were they not checking gym users either? My gym didn't check this week which didn't bother me (although I hope they don't get into trouble over it.)

    Since Tuesday 7 December, a COVID pass (vaccine or recovery certificate) is also required for:

    gyms and leisure centres (excluding access to swimming pools or standalone swimming pool facilities)



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭ Floppybits


    Not sure on the swimming pool but it wouldn't make sense that you show a pass into the gym but not the pool then again with what we have seen with these restrictions it wouldn't surprise me. As for gym goers I didn't see them being asked either for the covid pass. No one on the reception at times either and definitely no one at the door checking.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,738 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    Lots of us can see the restrictions and covid for what they are

    What are they?

    You're saying they're part of the woke agenda and people are virtue signaling during a once in a century pandemic, you really need to examine where you're getting your information from.

    The vaccines received massive amounts of money from the most non-liberal political parties that have existed for a long while (GOP & Conservatives) you can't call any of it woke as much as you might try, you're the one trying to stay in the safe space here. I'm happy to take and respond to criticism but I'll always try and back it up with evidence and data rather than "feelings" as seems to be happening more and more from the COVID outrage posters.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭ Floppybits


    Unfortunate timing really. Not only do failures stay in power they usually get a promotion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭ completedit


    I don't think you can judge Covid restrictions in a vacuum. I think the reaction is in keeping with our times where the perception is that the world is a scary place and Governments need to do everything to protect the individual because individuals left to their own devices are selfish and reckless and will do whatever is in their self-interest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,738 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    The restrictions are not there for public health as I have said they are there to protect the politicians and public service management including HSE management for the mismanagement of the health service.

    At a worldwide level across multiple countries all to save the HSE? I guess Tony does have a lot of power.

    At least everyone knows where you're posting from 😉 (enjoy the safe space).



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭ Floppybits


    The last bastion of the beaten look what they are doing over there. I don't care what they do elsewhere, I care what they do here. So you are so gung ho on restrictions and vaccinating anyone or anything from the cradle to grave, convince me of the reasons for the covid certs? Why are they there? If 92% of the population is vaccinated then why do we need the restrictions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,566 ✭✭✭ completedit


    Well said.

    Ultimately though we will eventually settle on an arbitrary death number we can deal with and the healthcare system will still be stretched but we'll just accept it as being the new normal(or else we'll just live in this quagmire for years to come)



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,738 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    Because the unvaccinated are still taking up 50% of the COVID beds...



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,787 ✭✭✭ celt262


    And as said a few posts up are the Government's throughout the world trying to protect the HSE with their restrictions?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭ corcaigh07


    Genuinely interested, do you have a source for that stat?



  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 62,311 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭ Beasty


    It's been repeated time after time:

    Remain civil at all times

    Drop the Conspiracy Theory nonsense

    Drop the blatant abuse of public officials

    Drop the merest hint of a reference to the Cervical Cancer issue

    If any of you are really struggling to understand these instructions, drop me a PM and I will see if I can make it any simpler for you



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,738 ✭✭✭✭ astrofool


    One of the reports is here, people better than me on here have gone through the numbers to figure out the %'s:

    Vaccination status of confirmed COVID-19 cases in Ireland Week 46.pdf (hpsc.ie)

    (basically doing a diff between reports to get up to date figures). Other than that, it's usually tweets from officials, other countries see similar data and present it better (basically the lower vaccinated % the more beds the unvaccinated take up). Austria and Netherlands are 2 that come to mind.

    And this is those who can be vaccinated but didn't, the people who can't be vaccinated would be a rounding difference within 1% in any of the figures.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭ AlekSmart


    You raise a very interesting point.

    The age issue you mention was correct up until the middle of 2020.

    However,and perhaps surprisingly,once the fact that Contracting Covid-19 was NOT an automatic death sentence for MOST people became known,the middle-aged began to steadily make alternative socialising arrangements.

    Nothing on a massive scale,but rather a slow,steady change in their determination to remain Human,as opposed to the safer and Expert recommended isolation procedures,which appear to be a cornerstone of the Covid "fight" in these parts.

    So,I would suggest that the middle-aged are engaging in somewhat more House "Gatherings" as opposed to Parties,but ye never know,given enough alcohol,one can swiftly morph into the other !

    That being said,it is obvious how a significant swathe of our Society now appear to be reluctant to contemplate a return to "Normality" and instead become more comfortable with each new restriction imposed upon them.

    Makes me wonder how it's playing out in North Korea ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,261 ✭✭✭ bokale


    I guess we might have to agree on house party definition. I used to go to them all the time. They were brilliant. Crazy nights. What my social circles do now are very different ha. Anecdotal obviously.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,408 ✭✭✭ Floppybits


    Have to say house parties never appealed to me. Would dread it when someone would say come back to ours for a few drinks at the end of a night. That was pre covid defo wouldn't go to one now.🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭ Mr. Karate


    This time next year Varadkar will be back in the driver's seat. That's Martin's "exit strategy". Keep kicking the can down the road until its Varadkar's problem again.



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