Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

km79

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341370#Comment_118341370

Zero per cent

Secondary students didn’t need one (nor staff for that matter ) . In fact they can’t even be asked if they have taken one when they test positive or are close contact etc

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341419#Comment_118341419

Yeah a real horrible side to the country has emerged, a fanatical resentment of those who don't "comply"

Red Silurian

I've seen a Facebook post get shared twice in the last few hours from a page called "Restrictions Updates Ireland"

PUBLICANS PLANNING TO IGNORE TAOISEACHS 8PM CLOSING.. REBELLION WITHIN THE INDUSTRY BEGINS MONDAY

Obviously it's only a rumor and not the most reliable news source but every major decision started with a rumor so I'd keep the eye open on this one

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341464#Comment_118341464

I can't see it happening personally but at a minimum a lot of rural pubs will just close until end of January, there'd be no sense whatsoever in them opening for essentially 3 hours trade. I also think larger pubs offering food etc will start cutting back on services, food etc and try and weather the storm, no doubt there'll be a lot of staff ay offs. The real question is how long this new dictate will last, I'd be very sceptical of a relaxing of these measures happening end of January.

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341464#Comment_118341464

I hope they do - if every pub / restaurant in the country was in solidarity then the government would have to either roll back on the restrictions or call a general election as theyve lost the mandate from the electorate.

the kelt

We really are an anti vaxxers wet dream in this country.

The most restricted country in Europe over the past 2 years along with being one of the most vaccinated countries in Europe,

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341496#Comment_118341496

This is my own thinking

I won't be boosted before Christmas, had a bad kick with dose 2 and don't want that before Christmas. I might get around to it in the new year, might not.

Not like I'll be going anywhere, or I am high risk. Id rather the booster went to someone who needs it more, if even to help their anxiety

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341504#Comment_118341504

Doing a grand job undermining the vaccines alright.

Pigeon Chaser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341373#Comment_118341373

Don't see it playing out like that.

It's not a requirement for second level.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341521#Comment_118341521

Exactly, alot of folks (apart from the bedwetters) under 50 are asking the same questions - what was the point of the vaccines, the language and actions of Government and NPHET suggest they've failed spectacularly.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341502#Comment_118341502

They won't, it's heat of the moment stuff at work. It's Christmas week and they'll just muddle through and they'll see where they are over the break.

ebbsy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118340451#Comment_118340451

Yep.

The house parties is where it happens.

I should know as my son contracted it this way down in Limerick last year.

Dempo1

I could be wrong and hopefully I am but I'm beginning to think government underming its own vaccine message. We're constantly being told we're in a better place 🤔, Really 🤔, they constantly quote how well we're doing, Number 4 etc in Europe for boosters , this very government fought against boosting health care workers last September 🙄

I personally believed vaccine protection was waning months ago and yet government only really accepted this around November.

The booster campaign was a shambles during the first few weeks , even before Omicron appeared and then they open it up to the entire population knowing systems weren't coping and not enough staff in place.

Then , there's all the measures, track and trace they'd essentially abandoned in September, antigen testing debacle etc

Obviously Omicron wasn't anticipated but the dogs on street new variants were always a possibility.

I personally got my booster (immune compromised) 2 weeks ago and am greatful but I was struck listening to others at the GP surgery, how many were asking the same Question, why are we bothering and this before yesterday's announcements.

Again, hope I'm wrong but honestly someone at government or Health Department level needs to stop and think, what's going on is just absurd and its only going to get worse .

Again all the above a humble opinion.

mcsean2163

Just to point out, studies show influenza vaccine only lasts 6 months. Then it has no benefit. Covid19 vaccine seems to be slightly better.

e.g. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.16.21267902v1

Just because you're double vaxxed won't really mean anything scientifically from a certain period of time. If you want protection a booster will be required. Deciding that you're going to have a go at NPHET by not getting booster could backfire if you're one of the unlucky ones susceptible to covid19.

Hellrazer

Deciding that you're going to have a go at NPHET by not getting booster could backfire if you're one of the unlucky ones susceptible to covid19.

I think Ill take my less than 1% chance of serious illness over a booster any day.

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341598#Comment_118341598

That's up to you, personally I've very little concern for my health as regards covid19 but will get booster to keep my wife happy, covid19 travel pass and potentially help out health care workers.

My point is that covid19 vaccine is not like measles vaccine. If you want to be protected you'll likely need a vaccination at least once a year or natural immunity.

Covid19 vaccine is like food.

You don't say, I was told to eat today and I did and I'm not eating again.

The pandemic supports were renewed until end of April.

I'll be absolutely shocked if any of these restrictions will be lifted before then.

Hope I'm wrong.

That **** what was going to be a brilliant 6 nations.

Even st Patrick's day is ruined again.

2022 looks wrote off already.

BruteStock

A triple vaxxed person has no more rights after 8pm than a completely unvaccinated person. How is this acceptable? Can Luke O Neil disappear into the ether now because everything he has uttered over the last year has been complete bollox.

normanoffside

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341354#Comment_118341354

Yes, hospital and ICU numbers have dropped significantly (they seem to have gotten a hold on Hospital outbreaks). Numbers testing positive have stabilised and a new milder variant is on the scene. All very positive stuff but yet we are given more restrictions.

You can see why the HSE is such a shambles and mess now.

The absolutely nonsense decisions these guys make is plain for all to see.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341442#Comment_118341442

I hope you're right but I think you will be proven wrong at some stage in 2022.

tomgrange1978

Some questions I think most people want answered honestly are

From Monday why can you enter a pub at 11 am and drink like a savage until 8pm but not enter a pub at 5 pm and drink until midnight . How does that work?

people who are at house parties over Xmas and drinking all hours, why is this allowable?

why are schools open? Why are they open next week? surely the virus is running wild amongst the young and they will give to mum and dad and siblings and they will pass on etc etc, I don’t get why If this virus is so dangerous the schools are not closed.

why are we allowing flights into the country regardless of vaccination and even when flights were basically banned last year why were the government allowing employers fly in cheap labour, like Larry goodman and other food processors etc etc, from Brazil where at the time the virus was not only rampant but mutating

why are rich countries like Ireland allowed to buy up millions of vaccines to offer third and fourth jabs to people but countries in Africa, South America and Asia can’t even offer first jabs to their people , this more then anything is dreadful to see and also to see people Just explain it away with a wave of the hand. When you are giving a rich white 5 year old a jab while a 75 year old poor black woman dies of covid and you can’t see the problem with this then you are a racist.

i wish someone would ask our leaders those questions

Frank Bullitt

Told my friends in Canada about the restrictions and then about hospital numbers dropping. "What? Why the hell would they do that?" EXACTLY!

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341707#Comment_118341707

Just on the first one, I imagine its as simple as most people being in work so they are cutting down options for a lot of people with this, if it was 5 onwards it wouldn't have the same impact at all as time would suit most people and most planned nights out. My go to local only opens at 5pm.

tomgrange1978

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341727#Comment_118341727

But many people are off for Xmas and will just rock out earlier

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341669#Comment_118341669

Everything comes back to one thing with Ireland. It's now either vaccinate 100% of the population and keep topping them up or restrictions.

And it is all down to the fear of the hospitals getting over run at the end of the day, yet up to now they have never been over run. The government can't seem to get even close to the idea of actually living with it, but somehow they will have to at some point. It's impossible to carry on this way, it is coming up to 2 years of some sort of restrictions soon.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341727#Comment_118341727

I'd be concerned for anyone wishing to drink like a savage from 11am to 8pm 😁

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341745#Comment_118341745

Yes true, but the days off are the minority, (remember as its currently till the end of Jan).

And many people won't be able to head out earlier too, people with kids etc find the evenings more doable.

It's for sure the best way to effect socialising in pubs.

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341157#Comment_118341157

The issue is with them getting full pay.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341748#Comment_118341748

ha I think in the current climate we can turn a blind eye!! Support your early morning local!

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341770#Comment_118341770

😁👌

Luxembourgo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341707#Comment_118341707

Why in the world are you bringing race into it...

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341707#Comment_118341707

Less risk of transmission if you're getting blotto before 5pm because the pub will be nearly empty.

Schools are open because kids need an education.

I'm sure you can figure the rest out yourself.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341747#Comment_118341747

If we were 100% vaccinated we would still be bringing in restrictions.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341526#Comment_118341526

I'd agree with you if the entire mindset wasn't shifting the way it has been recently.

We've had doctors and politicians on the radio and TV calling for vaccine certs to enter shops in recent weeks.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341857#Comment_118341857

I never considered that, if you said it 6 months ago people would of thought you were crazy.

Elmer Blooker

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341857#Comment_118341857

Of course, any reasonably intelligent person can tell it’s all political now with no scientific basis whatsoever.

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341919#Comment_118341919

I think if they make It mandatory they will have a fight on there hands as there is a requirement to provide education. Im vaccinated and boosted but I will think long and hard before my two young kids have this vaccine. We are here to protect them not for them to protect us - it was meant to be balanced against their own risk not mine.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341982#Comment_118341982

I said it 6 months ago. I said that this winter, post-vaccination programme, that the same people who called for restrictions last winter would be calling for restrictions this winter, and for the very same reasons.

I got a lot of posters calling me a whinger and doom monger. They were wrong then and they continue to be wrong today.

celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341669#Comment_118341669

OK no point in having a discussion with you.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341991#Comment_118341991

I would have thought any reasonably intelligent person would question what any politician in power hopes to gain by it. I cannot see where the upside for them is tbh.

Vicxas

Asked in the other thread, but they were too busy throwing handbags at each other, but does anyone know if gyms fall under the 8PM rule?

sporina

why do cinemas have to close at 8pm??? what the difference if i go to a movie at 6pm or 9pm covid wise?? serious Q..

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118342098#Comment_118342098

Not from I can see or have heard, details attached

"gov.ie - New public health measures announced - Friday 17 December" https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/4174f-new-public-health-measures-announced-friday-17-december/#restricted-movement-advice-for-all-close-contacts

ShadowTech

I reckon this latest pantomime is just to soften us up for a full closure of the pubs / restaurants / cinemas / theatres, etc. in a week or two. I’ve said before that I expect a lockdown in all but name and that it would be done bit by bit. I only wonder whether it’ll be Christmas Eve or New Year’s Eve when the axe falls.

acequion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118342092#Comment_118342092

And I would have thought the answer to what the politician has to gain very obvious. It is the following:

Irish politicians are very well paid and for the most part, very secure financially. Many of them are in the wealthy and super wealthy categories. So why would they bother rocking the boat by going against an individual as forceful as TH and a monster of their own creation, NPHET, who they have allowed unbridled power? It's so much easier for them to just go with it. In their cushy positions they have zero concept of the nightmare of self employment in such difficult times and the nightmare of trying to run a business. The tragedy for Ireland is that the vast majority of the people who run for public office do it for the perks of the job, not to make any great difference, not to be courageous or honorable. I say the vast majority as there are a very small few with genuine integrity, but too few to make any notable difference. It's actually very depressing how appalling the political class is in this country.

cannonballTaffyOjones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341747#Comment_118341747

The problem is even at 100% we will still have new variants and waning efficacy etc - it's a pointless strategy of chasing our tails permanently.

Treatment and living with it is the way out.

Apparently if early treatment was administered to covid patients that died up to half could have been saved ...

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118342169#Comment_118342169

They are creeping into a lockdown bit by bit as they are afraid to announce a lockdown so the government think that by doing it bit by bit no one will notice. It will be interesting to see how quickly Restrictions will be lifted if it turns out Omicron is nothing but the sniffles.

ShadowTech

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118342224#Comment_118342224

Unfortunately past experience tells us it’ll be months and months before the public is thrown a few crumbs and in the meantime a coordinated PR campaign is likely to be employed to keep us distracted by blaming each other.

walus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341444#Comment_118341444

And worse of all - it is the virus fault, as some posters here keep on insisting. Jesus wept.