Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

growleaves

Does Donal O'Keefe still think it is the huge proportion of unvaccinated people who are thwarting the pubs trade?

Hint: it's the government

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059466#Comment_118059466

For NYE and Halloween parties and other event nights it already was yeah

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059487#Comment_118059487

Ah right - so they'll prob have systems in place that they can use for ticketing. So might not be a big deal.

mcsean2163

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118058549#Comment_118058549

It makes sense to me. Protect the vulnerable and carry on. Covid19 is not Ebola and not worth hiding away for 18 months .. IMHO

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059497#Comment_118059497

Sure the big clubs might. I would suspect they are very much in the minority.

Laurenf35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118026348#Comment_118026348

So what happens when you go to a club and it's boring

Get a refund on line and book a ticket for another club

Lol lol

growleaves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059497#Comment_118059497

They will get far less customers imo. It's one thing booking a ticket for new years eve but what about popping into a club on a weekday or Sunday? Easier to just go to a pub instead.

bokale

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059511#Comment_118059511

Looks like Eventbrite is free for free events anyway: https://www.eventbrite.ie/organizer/pricing/

So imagine something like that will be used. Should be straight forward enough

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059532#Comment_118059532

The industry are saying they were told that tickets would need to be sold at least 24 hours in advance. Utter nonsense. And clubs aren't usually free.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118058902#Comment_118058902

Like Gupta, Bhattacharya, Kulldorff, Tegnel, Giesecke and Loannidis and other media attention seeking grifters you have long been a fan of natural acquired herd immunity. You talk as if there was some scientific basis to back this up in relation to Covid, when the simple truth is that in the one country that attempted it was forced to abandon it, with the one of the specialists you talk about and the instigator of the strategy, Tegnell, eventually having to admit to even attempt it is immoral.

Can you point to anywhere that this approach has worked for Covid ? India were claiming they had achieved it, and we all know how that worked out. Manaus in Brazil even published a report on MedRxiv claiming based on antibody test results they had achieved it. Two days later they are in lockdown due to rising cases.

Natural herd immunity is a myth well summed up by another specialist in the country that attempted it, Annika Linde, Tegnell`s predecessor as Swedish state epidemiologist when she said it was a dream with no basis in reality.

You like Gortanna have long proposed this myth as an alternative to lockdown. I have repeatedly asked both of you without a reply, what would have been the death toll to attempt it now that we know it is not achievable ?

namloc1980

If the new regulations to underpin all this nonsense with clubs won't be in place until next week, how can clubs and late bars open this weekend? There's no legal basis for them to do so. Either that or no Covid regulations apply at the moment so it's a free for all. This government are an absolute shambles.

Ah_well.

Looking very much like a trip over the water still going to be needed to feel normal again . All the spontaneity and enjoyment being sucked out of a night out here . No thanks . Maybe even a trip up north in a few weeks time . Certainly beats this strait jacket version of a night out I’m seeing proposed . The sad part is our cases numbers will go up regardless of these stupid rules . They achieve nothing . Cases would be much the same if reopened properly and fully in hospitality.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059225#Comment_118059225

Sweden chased natural herd immunity until they were forced to give it up by their own local health authorities and the result of antibody tests that showed it was just not going to happen and continuing would achieve nothing other than more deaths.

I thought at least we had got past the "Covid is the same as a flu" but it seems not. Sweden had 9,358 excess deaths from April until end of December 2020. a 10.5% increase. They really had a serious flu outbreak during those 9 months. and one strangely that didn`t affect any of their neighbours.

Mr rebel

Why on earth we can’t just follow Germany’s lead and use an efficient contact tracing app is beyond me. I was in Berlin recently and downloaded the Luca app to my phone. When you approach a club/pub you just scan the QR code at the entrance, show the staff your vaccine cert which can be stored on same app, and then it’s happy days inside. Then when you are leaving the venue you simply swipe across your phone to check out. Easy peasy. None of this “booking everything in advance” or ticket nonsense as it gives you the spontaneous freedom to go where you like.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059460#Comment_118059460

I've an un related theory,

I suspect LVA & VFI membership won't be one bit pleased when they realise what advanced ticket sales means, apart from the reasons being stated.

Let's be honest the majority of night club / venues entrance revenues are CASH at the door, the cynic in me thinks there's another angle to this and I've a feeling Revenues input all over this. It might be partly contract tracing etc but there's definitely more to this.

IMO of course 😏

Chris_5339762

I, for one, will be going to the UK for my nightclubbing.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059663#Comment_118059663

But this is being done under the temporary powers under the Health Act. If Revenue wanted everything to be digitised for tax reasons it would need to be done under the relevant legislation.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059633#Comment_118059633

Irish people have a crazy love affair with wanting to book everything. I can't bloody stand it myself.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059466#Comment_118059466

Have to say the Tramline owner comes across very well, completely sensible and practical, none of hysteria we see from Publicans

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059681#Comment_118059681

Temporary yes, but Revenue don't need to much to analyse credit card sales receipts for a defined period of time to determine if sales reporting tallies up. Temporary, might just turn to longer etc etc, it's only a theory but I'd be pretty confident Revenue will be looking at data over the coming weeks, months.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059708#Comment_118059708

I doubt it to be honest. Isolated data after most places have been closed for over 19 months won't tell you much about trends. And anyway how would they get hold of this data? Are they going to be requesting ticketmaster / event brite etc to hand over commercially sensitive info? They have no legal basis for that and those companies are not Irish anyway. The law would have to say the information may be shared with Revenue - there's no health related logic to that.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059730#Comment_118059730

You could be right but regardless of how ticket sales are handled there will be a credit card or electronic payment trail, that's all the data needed as its reported in sales, Revenue get the data as it is, albeit as sales for door receipts historically cash , not necessarily reported previously (Alledgedly of course 😉)

Just my Friday evening over thinking 😁 trying to make sense of this temporary arrangement, regardless owners won't be pleased and near impossible to police.

mcsean2163

Just checked

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table

We're actually not the restricted in Ireland anymore relative to rest of Europe....

Dempo1

Donal O Keffe ( LVA) on the 9 o clock news Seething with anger , he's raging 😡🤬

Dempo1

You'd have to wonder were all these representatives bodies blindsided, were they not actually part of the discussions or has Government pulled this advanced ticketing out of their arse at the last minute 🤔

SupplyandDemandZone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059874#Comment_118059874

They've been played for fools.

lawred2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059908#Comment_118059908

Well it wouldn't be the first time would it

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059908#Comment_118059908

Has to have been a last minute thing. Details have been leaked over the past day or so as soon as they were talking about them.

giveitholly

Queue for Coppers,where is that poll about 50% of people reducing their contacts this weekend😄😄

https://twitter.com/RMcGreevy1301/status/1451642573118971912?t=AJBVE2lVurJOSu0FZ3fOzA&s=19

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118059874#Comment_118059874

Didn't see it myself but on one hand its great to finally get industry representatives getting animated and angry about the restrictions on tv. For the last 20 months we've had nicey nicey, dare not speak out too much. There's no fight in many of these organisations, bar the teachers unions, although they often could be accused of mis reading the room in the opposite direction.