Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015711#Comment_118015711

Much of these latest revelations appear to be coming at the time when NPHET is due to be disbanded,belatedly in my view,as the actual Public Health EMERGENCY has long since passed,whilst the Health Service Management pandemic continues unabated. Hugely coincidental therefore that the usual suspects now become strident once more....🙄

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/1013/1253440-covid-19-ireland/

Today's meeting included the secretaries general of government departments, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn and Chair of the NPHET Epidemiological Modelling Advisory Group Professor Philip Nolan.

Happy days lad's !

It seems the Leaders require "Compelling Evidence" in advance of changes...for better or worse.....mind you the very next paragraph is about as compelling as it gets.....😲

It comes as Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, said he is self-isolating after experiencing mild Covid-19 symptoms. A test returned a non-detected result.

....a non-detected result...but of course that does'nt allow him to actually be HEALTHY.....Not permitted in the rarefied atmospheric conditions prevailing in Chateau NPHET....

Fair play to Leo V,however,for at least nodding in the direction of the truth....

He said the Delta wave was not as severe as they feared, 😲 but "we've never managed" to get numbers down.

God help us all !!!!

Parachutes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016071#Comment_118016071

Ah right, get you now.

Deeper Blue

Honestly the communication from this government as an absolute farce.

Taking out of both sides of their mouths on the same bloody day.

Comfortably the worst government in my lifetime, and there have been a few contenders for that title.

bear1

So coveney this morning said we are defo opening up, Nolan and co say errr hold on now, Martin says ah Shure we don't know yet now.. basically to sum up:

the restrictions will definitely be lifted, unless we can't, but there’s no evidence that they shouldn’t be because we don't know, that is, unless they have to.

AlekSmart

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015679#Comment_118015679

There's hardly anybody who does'nt know,or know of,a Vulnerable person.

The notion of this being a perpetual validation of our "new normal" just does'nt cut it.

As we can already see,the damage done to mass attitudes is already considerable,with so many now existing in a fear laden fog,terrified to interact with other humans and totally fixated on the Domestic Media for a daily top-up of scary stories and statistics.

It is truly scary to see just how fragile humanity actually is.

Dickie10

id say we will get back to normal hours and nightclubs but maybe 75% capacity and all covid certs only. but after a week or two will these go the same way as covid certs and capacity inpubs ? probably. was in a a stag town all wekkend , never got asked for the cert anywhere

Richard Hillman

If NPHET don't agree to removing restrictions, MM won't go against them. It's a political game. Every case and death will be attributed to MM by the pro-restriction opposition and media.

The government will go for a phony war created on the unvaccinated. Portraying it as 100% on unvaccinated people.

We can go on a full on Level 5 lockdown right now, those cases are still going to rocket in December and January. No matter what happens, those cases are going up. Even with 100% vaccination, those cases are going up. The hospitalisations are going up.

There are a cohort of vulnerable people in the country that we have done everything for but they cannot be saved, they will not make the winter.

stephenjmcd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016120#Comment_118016120

It's not often you post some sort of sense but I think the middle ground will be that they open with the cert, be strictly enforced for the first few weeks like it was with the pubs and then it'll slip off just like the pubs.

It'll be seen as "middle ground" & government will come out and say we made this decision they (nphet) wanted another way but we made the decision, aren't we great etc etc

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015507#Comment_118015507

65 ICU beds open and staffed . . That's a fair amount but difficulty is getting staff trained up to that level .

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016099#Comment_118016099

Hard to disagree with that 😏

SupplyandDemandZone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015903#Comment_118015903

So bizarre. Really hard to understand what the hell is happening with this virus.

TracyMartell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016156#Comment_118016156

Didn’t a load of trained healthcare staff return to Ireland at the start of the pandemic to help out? Some trained ICU staff within that group presumably. How many of those were hired?

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016142#Comment_118016142

The middle ground is going ahead with all plans except the removal of vaccination certs? So nightclubs open, 100% capacity at pubs, concerts and sporting events in exchange for the pass remaining?

Think you might be on to something

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016085#Comment_118016085

It's amazing the difference one word makes

stephenjmcd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016241#Comment_118016241

That's what I'd see as some sort of middle ground yeah.

It's a seen to be doing something middle ground but realistically has feck on impact given the numbers vaccinated.

Government give themselves a pat on the back and the majority are happy, win win

Deeper Blue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016156#Comment_118016156

Interesting, thanks, I'm actually surprised it's that many

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016264#Comment_118016264

Not ideal but it would be better than the current situation at least

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016224#Comment_118016224

I couldn't tell you as I am not in personnel. But yeah to train staff to ICU level to work independently would be another 2 years post graduation ( working alongside senior ICU staff and a post grad course )

Never mind training anaesthetists who are the essential medical staff for ICU.

Should have been done years ago though , but as one poster there put it so" nicely " hospitals have been " crying " every winter !

Now why do you all think that is?

Could it be that hospital staff were trying to alert people to the dangers of our very neglected ICU service?

Vicxas

So now the unvaccinated are causing this shite. 67% of hospital cases are unvaccinated.

PTH2009

A decent portion of my life would be going to gigs/matches and pubs but a good bit of that is restricted because of covid

The early pub close is not the worst but with been so accustomed to the later hours it can be tricky to get used to

The magic of gigs/matches is lowered been at half/full capacity as is the day/night that surrounds it (hard to get into pubs, all the certs etc). It was great travelling to England for a proper gig last month but having it in Dublin/Ireland cuts out a lot of hassle

Id love to be like some people here who say 'nah were living our life 100% pre covid' but in some areas it simply can't be like that. Urban pubs wont take the bullet and disobey the law (opening later than 11.30pm etc) that country pubs might exploit

All in all my confidence is shattered and the next few weeks will be a struggle if/when the postponement of the 22nd Oct is announced. We all know it could be well into next year when we actually do reopen properly.

Just dont know anymore

Parachutes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016344#Comment_118016344

My question is did they ever have any intention of opening on the 22nd or were they just stringing the serfs along as usual.

Ah_well.

That 9 o clock news bulletin wouldn’t inspire confidence . I will say again if not Oct 22nd then when ?

PTH2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016361#Comment_118016361

The massive gap between the reopenings played its part

The get out jail free card 'subject to public health advice and covid situation at the time' will come in useful for the decision makers

Dreading the drivel MM will come out with for his Nations Address next Tuesday evening

prunudo

Its almost like the media are steering the course of the country again, getting people in a panic with their reporting of the uncertainty.

Allinall

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016399#Comment_118016399

People are getting themselves into a panic.

Why not ignore the media?

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016411#Comment_118016411

They're setting the narrative, giving air time to people who are afraid of their own shadows, making it out that this is the way the majority think. 36hrs ago nobody was giving covid a second glance, posters claiming it was over because Claire Byrne hadn't mentioned in the last 2 shows, now here we are, being lined up put up with the none easing of restrictions. I guess we're not being trusted with personal responsibility anymore then.

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016380#Comment_118016380

Like Boris the brave said in his historic speech - "With summer approaching and schools closed if we do not open now then when can we ? If not now then with the onset of Winter then maybe we won't be able to "

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016361#Comment_118016361

I don't believe they had.

TracyMartell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016302#Comment_118016302

What people needed alerting to the dangers of our neglected health service? Money is thrown at the HSE every year and it’s completely mismanaged and goes to no one other than the bloated middle management of the organisation. It’s not the general publics fault that the health service is a disgrace. It’s the fault of the HSE and the government, no one else. But now the public must play the price

Ah_well.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016462#Comment_118016462

i couldn’t agree more . I just cannot understand why we haven’t been opened since late summer . Over cautious and what do we get for all this caution. Nothing that’s what . We actually try opening up coming into winter at the most difficult time .