Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

Phishnet wrote: »

The person who vaccinated you read over certain declarations and asked you did you understand same. He/she then become the witness that you were given the proper advices and warnings.

Nope

namloc1980

Phishnet wrote: »

The person who vaccinated you read over certain declarations and asked you did you understand same. He/she then become the witness that you were given the proper advices and warnings. Speeds up the process.

Read the six pages document on HSE.IE

CONSENT FOR VACCINATION FOR COVID-19 GUIDING PRINCIPLES

So no signing of a waiver as you claimed. Glad you cleared that up.

Btw my doctor didn't read over anything before I got my vaccine.

basill

Denny61 wrote: »

We the public voted in these politicians.this does not give them a mandate to run roughshod over us ..I day .all businesses in hospitality open up for indoor dining.regardless...lets see if the gardai try to close all of them down . there will be revolts all over the place.. the government dare not take a step further..as there will be such a back lash ..so I'm saying.we the public.are the ones who create.our own destiny..so 5th of July..I say open up ...end of

Actually we didn't really vote them in. The country was run for approximately 140 days by civil servants as we had no elected government. It then became a power sharing agreement in order to exclude Sinn Fein at all costs. Pre election promises that secured the votes went straight out the door.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

One of the four who worked on this paper (the case projection modelling which Nphet are using) had previous groundbreaking work on Snooker Rankings and Fantasy Football.
https://twitter.com/ChristinaKsci/status/1409811206056165376

Did they? Tbh I dont see that referenced?

That comes across as a barely disguised- "I'm a PhD researcher - so there tweet"

sydthebeat

Phishnet wrote: »

The person who vaccinated you read over certain declarations and asked you did you understand same. He/she then become the witness that you were given the proper advices and warnings. Speeds up the process.

Read the six pages document on HSE.IE

CONSENT FOR VACCINATION FOR COVID-19 GUIDING PRINCIPLES

Yes of course.

Same as how I hit "accept" for my Google chrome update.... Outlining the terms and conditions that permeate everything we do these days.

Never had to sign any waiver though, as was said earlier.

Graham

Phishnet wrote: »

He/she was meant to.

Nonsense

There are at least 3 people that read exactly the same checklist to you as you're processed at the MVC for your first dose.

There's nothing in any of it that even comes close to a waiver.

If you're claiming otherwise I assume you'll have no problem linking to a credible source somewhere.

namloc1980

PuddingBreath wrote: »

actually. vaccines. don't. work.


it's in their own bloody figures, they work (so they say)sometimes or is your contention that they are 100% fail safe.



Also, vaccines. HARM. sometimes.
particularly these ones with insufficient testing
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data 6136 dead in the usa alone already from the covid vaccines... maybe i faked all those reports myself ?



why would they not check people for antibodies before vaccination and then afterwards? would more information on the virus and vaccinations not be a good thing or are they trying to avoid something ?

You do realize that VAERS is an unsubstantiated reporting site open to anyone to log whatever they want right?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2MZ2H8

sydthebeat

Phishnet wrote: »

Those old terms and conditions are sometimes quite important. Most people don’t even read the t and c’s in their mortgage loan offer (probably the biggest financial transaction in their life), but that is why the general public is often referred to as sheep.

.....

Or people are actually told that the golden goose doesn't actually lay golden eggs, and the vaccine you are about to receive doesn't guarantee 100% protection... And can have the odd side effect

But its fine doc.... I knew that already.

Jab away

bfa1509

Here's a depressing calculation for you:

(1.5/your age)*100 = the percentage of your life you've spent under "restrictions"

(1.5/82)*100 = 1.8% of your entire expected lifespan spent (so far) under "restrictions"

We are on this earth how many times again?

Graham

Phishnet wrote: »

Most people don’t even read the t and c’s in their mortgage loan offer

I am that person that reads all the policy documents, offer documents, financial documents etc etc etc.

I can say with confidence there was nothing resembling a waiver required to get vaccinated.

You will have no problem linking to the Ts & Cs you're referring to......

Graham

sydthebeat wrote: »

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Or people are actually told that the golden goose doesn't actually lay golden eggs, and the vaccine you are about to receive doesn't guarantee 100% protection... And can have the odd side effect

But its fine doc.... I knew that already.

Jab away

Yup, that's informed consent.

No waiver of any rights required.

gozunda

Phishnet wrote: »

When will the FDA and the EDA approve these vaccines

You mean the US Food and Drug Administration
And the European Defence Agency ?
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Phishnet wrote: »

Presently, all such vaccines for Covid 19 are unapproved. That is why you sign a disclaimer (waiver) when you get vaccinated. The truth of the matter is that those currently vaccinated are the human guinea pigs in the study of medium and long term effects of the vaccines. They have no recourse to seek damages from the State or Big Pharma should they have serious side effects associated with the particular vaccine taken.

By the way, I am all for vaccines, just I like approved ones.

Are they?

Vaccines are tested for safety and effectiveness before they can be used. The HSE only uses a vaccine if it meets the required standards of safety and effectiveness.

https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout/covid-19-vaccine-development/

MOH

basill wrote: »

Actually we didn't really vote them in. The country was run for approximately 140 days by civil servants as we had no elected government. It then became a power sharing agreement in order to exclude Sinn Fein at all costs. Pre election promises that secured the votes went straight out the door.

Thanks, but it's little comfort that at least some things remain completely normal

gozunda

PuddingBreath wrote: »

agree, but people are getting livid and normally peaceful people are boiling with rage, there could be serious injuries to guards and people at the next protest, that's not a threath, it's an observation. people who have worked hard all their lives and that aren't professional protestors will be out on the steet now, people who never protested before...and they are not wusses. i would ask polietly that the guards and judicary step up now and help call a halt to this regime. we need to have new elections immediatly and we need to sack a large chunk of the civil service directly afterwards. we now have had 2 disaster in just over a decade and nothing has changed in ireland, it's only getting worse, no real reform, living standards dropping, our healthcare was already wrecked before coof. we're just following the same playbook that the are doing to their citizens in the USA, the UK etc. failing healthcare, housing as a commidity not a need, workers rights being eroded etc etc

I dont mean to be judgemental but that sounds more like some GO'D would come out with tbf ...

Bear in mind, Paul is a firm believer in socialism which led to the brutalisation, oppression and murder of 90m people. It beggars belief as to the type of low IQ moron that would vote this insidious individual into a Dail seat. if he is the opposition, then we are well and truly fúcked.

https://twitter.com/paulmurphy_TD/status/1409629534807375872

hamburgham

Stheno wrote: »

The smart people in data and analytics do not work in the public sector
Most of the modellers are students

Likewise high flyers in medicine do not go into public health. We know that the ‘skills’ needed to get to the top and become Chief Medical Officer have nothing to do with medicine. Anyone who has worked in public administration will know how it works.That’s why I just laugh when I hear Tony described as an expert.

M_Murphy57

Apparently an FOI request turned up this gem:

https://twitter.com/MarmaladeMax/status/1409777042237890564?s=19

hamburgham

Comment on the Journal made me laugh. Given what Micheal Martin now knows is coming down the tracks, surely he has an obligation to the leaders across Europe to ring and warn them.

ThunbergsAreGo

Bsharp wrote: »

Yep, they've committed to developing a plan that will set how they implement the plan. That's not anytime soon.

And that's why a protest is needed

TomTomTim

TomTomTim wrote: »

Jesus Christ

https://twitter.com/Michael_O_Regan/status/1409841550985773058

I hate Twitter. But it has a wonderful knack for exposing our 'intelligentsia' for the empty vessels they are.

hamburgham

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

And that's why a protest is needed

Yes and seeing as most people are getting the vaccines, however reluctantly, anti vaxxer can’t be used to undermine or belittle any protesters. Last year anyone who considered protesting was terrified of being associated with them.

francogarbanzo

namloc1980 wrote: »

You do realize that VAERS is an unsubstantiated reporting site open to anyone to log whatever they want right?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2MZ2H8

Uh, no it isn’t. It’s open only to doctors, and it’s managed by the CDC. Also it’s required by law that healthcare providers log any deaths related to a specific set of vaccines, guess which vaccines are NOT on that list?

Source: VAERs

hamburgham

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Uh, no it isn’t. It’s open only to doctors, and it’s managed by the CDC. Also it’s required by law that healthcare providers log any deaths related to a specific set of vaccines, guess which vaccines are NOT on that list?

Source: VAERs

Does this discussion not belong on a different thread?

francogarbanzo

hamburgham wrote: »

Does this discussion not belong on a different thread?

Probably, but I like to call out medical misinformation when I see it.

Fils

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Probably, but I like to call out medical misinformation when I see it.

Are you as qualified as Paul Reid and in similar salary?

RamonD3

Deleted User wrote: »

Next election, remember this and bury the government and all of these privileged, government-funded institutions who tried to deny you your livelihood.

Agree with you, but we've also had one of the most pathetic oppositions in the history of the State. Only Michael McNamara and Peadar Toibin have consistently challenged the groupthink.

agoodpunt

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

And that's why a protest is needed

also, now that we are not all in this together vaccine dicrimination on age and access to indoor pints going to cause mayhem

robbiezero

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Next election, remember this and bury the government and all of these privileged, government-funded institutions who tried to deny you your livelihood.

This. Id have normally voted for one of the arse cheeks, but the ineptness, cowardice, lack of vision and arse covering of this Government has changed that for a long time.

It would also make you wonder about some of the things that one takes almost for granted in an election:

Health Service cant be fixed no matter who gets elected.

Housing issues are a legacy of the comstruction bust of last decade and will take a long time to fix.

Nothing can be done about our massive economic dependence on multinationals and FDI.

Transport system creaking at the seams.

Justice system Etcetera.

You couldnt have any faith in the zoo that is the current Governement parties to bring anything other than rabid conservatism and cowardice to bear on any of the major problems faced by the country or to bring a bit of vision to things like WFH which could be a real boon to some of the issues above.

Klonker

gozunda wrote: »

If you're interested here's the ECDC modeling in relation to projected rise in case, hospitalisations and death rates due to the Delta variant

See: https://t.co/snmcuduiD0?amp=1



https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1409975770898907139?s=20

I'm sure the ECDC weren't talking about the country with the harshest restrictions not easing their restrictions when they made that analysis. Its very disingenuous of NPHET to put that in their letter to government and pretend it relates to Ireland. And it says more easing shouldn't happen until vulnerable are vaccinated. 2 weeks time everybody over 45 and all other vulnerable will have 2 doses if they want one, theres no reason shouldn't open restaurants fully in 2 weeks.

CalamariFritti

gozunda wrote: »

If you're interested here's the ECDC modeling in relation to projected rise in case, hospitalisations and death rates due to the Delta variant

See: https://t.co/snmcuduiD0?amp=1



https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1409975770898907139?s=20

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I have posted this a couple of weeks ago on the vaccination thread. It is a trend that has been observed since February.

Underlying material is here (table 4, page 12).

Between Feb 1 and June 14 60,624 severe outcomes were attributed to the delta variant. Of which 73 lead to death (0.12%).

Interesting are the vaccination cohorts in that group. 35,521 of those were unvaccinated leading to 34 deaths amongst them. Whereas 4,087 have fully vaccinated status leading to 26 deaths.

Of course the average age of the fully vaccinated is obviously much higher than the competently unvaccinated. So it appeared that even vaccination didnt drive death rate of the old vaccinated (0.64%) below the death rate of the young unvaccinated (0.1%).

Before anyone says those percentages still seem quite high it must be repeated this was amongst the recorded severe cases only. So I guess true IFR rates are anything between factor 10 or 20 smaller again. And then there are the undetected on top of it which could be factor 10 again after that.
I guess thats why England expects to go ahead with the full abandonment of restrictions regardless. Overall threat assessment must be tiny.

I've actually been wondering is this delta variant the one we've been talking about when it was said that the virus will eventually 'run out of steam' and peter out into relatively harmless strains.

I would like someone to review my interpretation of the data in this post.

But it appears that NPHET modelling is not taking into account real word findings on delta from England.