Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

All bars and restaurants should go ahead and open on July 5th anyway and should be defended by the people. These bozos work for us at the end of the day not the other way around. Hopefully Gardai will turn a blind eye to it like they do to most rural robberies.

JRant

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Delta variant news:
https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1409988135287767040?s=20

Someone needs to tell the ONS that their actual real life data is completely wrong and Nolan's "Random number generator" should be used instead.

Using real world data to make a decision, tut Tut, that's just not good enough.

Feria40

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I have posted this a couple of weeks ago on the vaccination thread. It is a trend that has been observed since February.

Underlying material is here (table 4, page 12).

Between Feb 1 and June 14 60,624 severe outcomes were attributed to the delta variant. Of which 73 lead to death (0.12%).

Interesting are the vaccination cohorts in that group. 35,521 of those were unvaccinated leading to 34 deaths amongst them. Whereas 4,087 have fully vaccinated status leading to 26 deaths.

Of course the average age of the fully vaccinated is obviously much higher than the competently unvaccinated. So it appeared that even vaccination didnt drive death rate of the old vaccinated (0.64%) below the death rate of the young unvaccinated (0.1%).

Before anyone says those percentages still seem quite high it must be repeated this was amongst the recorded severe cases only. So I guess true IFR rates are anything between factor 10 or 20 smaller again. And then there are the undetected on top of it which could be factor 10 again after that.
I guess thats why England expects to go ahead with the full abandonment of restrictions regardless. Overall threat assessment must be tiny.

I've actually been wondering is this delta variant the one we've been talking about when it was said that the virus will eventually 'run out of steam' and peter out into relatively harmless strains.

Can you and CoisFharraige please email your TD's..and anyone else that will listen.

What has happened over the past 24 hours is just beyond the pale.

Not alone am I (somewhat) young an unvaccinated which means I'm going to be screwed over for the next few months, more importantly I and everyone I know will be paying for this ****storm via higher taxes for the rest of my life.

Red Silurian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

All bars and restaurants should go ahead and open on July 5th anyway and should be defended by the people. These bozos work for us at the end of the day not the other way around. Hopefully Gardai will turn a blind eye to it like they do to most rural robberies.

Just a thought, does a wedding dinner have to be in a hotel? Can you have it in a pub or a restaurant instead? Lines getting blurred eh?

Edit: I googled my question and found a similar tweet from a Kerry restaurateur named Paul Treyvaud (great minds?) who was in the news a few months back for saying he was going to open on July 1st lockdown or not, be interesting to see if he makes good on his threat

brickster69

Phishnet wrote: »

I would like to give readers the true figures from the UK for Delta Variant Deaths in the last week.

117 total deaths.

44 unvaccinated

23 single dose

50 fully vaccinated

All of the 50 fully vaccinated deaths were over 50 years old. That is from approx. 3700 fully vaccinated 50+ year old positive cases. No idea how many positive Delta cases there has been like.

Deeper Blue

Phishnet wrote: »

So could the unvaccinated cohort, so your supposition is equally true for all 117 souls.

Very true also

Whatsisname

The Daily Mail here in England (who are admittedly an awful outlet, but do get leaks from government) are running with vaccine passports being dropped altogether, even from mass events. They don’t rule out certain businesses who may implement their own system but say they’ve no plans to make it compulsory as we move on and learn to live with covid, like we do the flu. Yet the Tony Holohan show wants vaccine passports just to go to the pub.

The Torys have burned me too many times so I’ll believe it when I see it but it’s a far cry from the perpetual misery and cowardice from the Irish government.

jace_da_face

Isn’t the solution to this not straightforward? You open indoor dining to the vaccinated and to negative antigen tests. The real failure of NYPHET (apart from crazy modeling figures) is their inability to endorse antigen testing.

hamburgham

I heard Ray Darcy say a couple of times at the beginning of his show today (before I managed to turn the dial) that he has absolutely no problem with Ireland being an outlier, he actually repeated it a few times. This is coming from someone on 450k a year, public purse needless to say. And he’d be the first to slag off the Catholic Church etc for what went on years ago. This is a mirror image of that abuse of power.

Jinglejangle69

Phishnet wrote: »

So could the unvaccinated cohort, so your supposition is equally true for all 117 souls.

Can you answer my question?

How many of the 50 died from covid and not with covid?

This man is spot on....others should follow. Once it reaches critical mass, its game up for the government, nphet, etc.


https://twitter.com/PaulTreyvaud/status/1408736749816328198

Green Peter

jace_da_face wrote: »

Isn’t the solution to this not straightforward? You open indoor dining to the vaccinated and to negative antigen tests. The real failure of NYPHET (apart from crazy modeling figures) is their inability to endorse antigen testing.

Tony came out against antigen early on and he won't give in to being wrong. The gov seriously need to get independent advice, we are a laughing stock as outliers in Europe. NEMPHT should be asked to work for free untill we are fully functioning again as a society, I bet they would view things differently.

Next election, remember this and bury the government and all of these privileged, government-funded institutions who tried to deny you your livelihood.

Phishnet

Phishnet wrote: »

I would like to give readers the true figures from the UK for Delta Variant Deaths in the last week.

117 total deaths.

44 unvaccinated

23 single dose

50 fully vaccinated


More people have died in the UK from the Delta variant Covid virus that have been fully vaccinated than those who have not been vaccinated at all.

I will leave it there.

Can I just confirm here that your position is that vaccines do not work, and therefore people should not immunise themselves?

Who could ever have imagined a few short weeks ago that the NPHET simps would have merged with the anti-vaxxers.

Vaccines work. Vaccines save lives. Those like you and Holohan who talk the vaccines down and cast doubt on them are jeopardising our vaccination programme. It is despicable, Luddite, anti-science, anti-biology scaremongering.

Vaccines. Work.

Denny61

We the public voted in these politicians.this does not give them a mandate to run roughshod over us ..I day .all businesses in hospitality open up for indoor dining.regardless...lets see if the gardai try to close all of them down . there will be revolts all over the place.. the government dare not take a step further..as there will be such a back lash ..so I'm saying.we the public.are the ones who create.our own destiny..so 5th of July..I say open up ...end of

hamburgham

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MarcMacsharryTD/status/1409850227717251073?s=19


A FF TD. It hasn't gone down well. The heave may be finally on.

I’ve contacted my TD’s aka Tony’s Dopes a couple of times to complain. Never got any reply. Tomorrow I’m ringing and demanding to speak to them.

Jinglejangle69

It's pretty clear this pathetic excuse of a government won't stand up to criminals, young scum running a muc in our city for years, now lump NHPET in with that.

Weak cowards.

Country has gone to the dogs. Gardai cancelling 1000s of calls for distressed callers. They couldn't care less.

That story is now buried since King Tony has grabbed the limelight.

Whos actually running the show?

Who in power actually cares about its citizens????

Utterly depressing.

ACitizenErased

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Happy to see one of my TDs, who I actually know quite well, was one who tried to stand up to this nonsense.

"Public Expenditure and Reform Minister Michael McGrath reportedly hit out at what he said was the “grenade” having been “lobbed on our desks” by Nphet."

Daniel McConnell: Reopening farce a mess of Government's own making
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/commentanalysis/arid-40325555.html

First line as well in there from Michael McNamara questioning who is in charge. I note, how he has been absolutely ridiculed on this forum and other outlets, to the point he’s being abused for not having his mic turned up. He has been one person willing to question the status quo from day 1.

hamburgham

b0nk1e wrote: »

Just cancelled a long weekend in Kerry next month (€285) and a five-night stay in Donegal (€750) around the August Bank Holiday.

That's over a thousand euro - without a bite of food or a pint of stout drunk - the Government has just taken from small businesses in its jurisdiction and sent to northern Ireland instead.

This will be happening up and down the country today. The worst Taoiseach in the history of the state: a toxic combination of scared and spiteful which is going to take generations to recover from.

Yes, I think spite in particular is behind the total official indifference to the plight of the aviation industry. Michael O’Leary is the face of the Irish aviation industry and he has shown up official Ireland so many times that they really HATE him and just couldn’t wait to get him. Never mind the collateral damage. Michael and his family are financially secure forever. Not so the hundreds of thousands reliant on aviation.

lawrencesummers

Phishnet wrote: »

Any discrimination based on any ground such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, GENETIC FEATURES, political or any other opinion, membership of a national minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation shall be prohibited by law.

This right is enshrined in Article 21 Charter of Fundamental Rights.

The EU is good for somethings. Mehole, your ****ing with Brussels, you will lose.

If they can’t open for vaccinated then they won’t allow opening.


Better to open with the stupid rules and then just ignore them

Phishnet

Phishnet wrote: »

When will the FDA and the EDA approve these vaccines. Presently, all such vaccines for Covid 19 are unapproved. That is why you sign a disclaimer (waiver) when you get vaccinated. The truth of the matter is that those currently vaccinated are the human guinea pigs in medium and long term effects of the vaccines. They have no recourse to seek damages from the State or Big Pharma should they have serious side effects associated with the particular vaccine taken.

By the way, I am all for vaccines, just I like approved ones.

The vaccines are approved. Every vaccine used in Ireland is approved under an conditional use authorisation issued by the Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency on foot of authorisation by the European Medicines Agency, using the same process (but accelerated, given the nature of the emergency) as for every other medicinal product used in the EU, following the normal clinical trial process. The only difference is that the stages were carried out in parallel rather than sequentially.

If you are waiting for the United States Food and Drug Administration, and the European Defence Agency, to approve any medical product for use in the European Union, I am afraid you will be waiting for quite some time.

PTH2009

Deleted User wrote: »

Next election, remember this and bury the government and all of these privileged, government-funded institutions who tried to deny you your livelihood.

Yeah and they will have the cheek of going door to door canvassing and promising this and that

stateofflux

I just had another gawk at the vaccine figures and death stats and this announcement today is making less and less sense to me.

Nearly 4 million vaccinated.
Nearly all over 70's have 2 doses and nearly half of 60-69 have 2 doses
Nearly Everyone between 50 and 60 has 2 doses.
Nearly Everyone over 40 has at least one dose.
Of all the deaths in total 87% had underlying conditions plus anyone over 30 with a serious underlying condition most likely now has already got 2 doses.
Of all deaths less than 3% were under 55

How in the name of jaysus could NPHETS worst case predictions be possible? Honest question.

https://ibb.co/tJCH6T3
https://ibb.co/M1FSTLb

newhouse87

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1409962180393451528

Rinse and repeat, worried about the schools now re-opening again, not a hope pubs will be open to young people anytime soon. Im sure the pubs want young adults drinking rather then the vaccinated 70 plus cohort, not many elders like the mark up on jagerbombs.

sydthebeat

Phishnet wrote: »

When will the FDA and the EDA approve these vaccines. Presently, all such vaccines for Covid 19 are unapproved. That is why you sign a disclaimer (waiver) when you get vaccinated. The truth of the matter is that those currently vaccinated are the human guinea pigs in the study of medium and long term effects of the vaccines. They have no recourse to seek damages from the State or Big Pharma should they have serious side effects associated with the particular vaccine taken.

By the way, I am all for vaccines, just I like approved ones.

Dunno what your on about.

I signed absolutely nothing before my vaccine. Didn't register for one, didn't put my name on anything

namloc1980

Phishnet wrote: »

When will the FDA and the EDA approve these vaccines. Presently, all such vaccines for Covid 19 are unapproved. That is why you sign a disclaimer (waiver) when you get vaccinated. The truth of the matter is that those currently vaccinated are the human guinea pigs in the study of medium and long term effects of the vaccines. They have no recourse to seek damages from the State or Big Pharma should they have serious side effects associated with the particular vaccine taken.

By the way, I am all for vaccines, just I like approved ones.

What waiver?

Graham

Phishnet wrote: »

When will the FDA and the EDA approve these vaccines. Presently, all such vaccines for Covid 19 are unapproved. That is why you sign a disclaimer (waiver) when you get vaccinated.

You'd make a much better point if people were asked to sign a waiver to get vaccinated.

gozunda

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1409988135287767040?s=19

Absolutely no increase in deaths. It's just so unfortunate that this HSE Data Hacking won't give us access to the death numbers here and won't likely for the future. So unfortunate.

If you're interested here's the ECDC modeling in relation to projected rise in case, hospitalisations and death rates due to the Delta variant

See: https://t.co/snmcuduiD0?amp=1

The probability that SARS-CoV-2 Delta VOC becomes rapidly dominant in the EU/EEA is considered very high.

Based on the estimated transmission advantage of the Delta variant, 70% of new SARS-CoV-2 infections in the EU/EEA as of early August are projected to be due to this variant. As a consequence, based on available evidence, there is a very high probability that there will be a surge of SARS-CoV-2 infections in the community. This assessment is based on information available to ECDC at the time of publication and the assessment.

Simulations show that there is a large risk associated with rapidly lifting NPIs (ie restrictions) in the presence of a more
transmissible variant. While a fast relaxation of NPI stringency could lead to a fast and significant increase in daily cases, hospitalisations, and deaths, keeping current NPI stringency, while continuing or even accelerating vaccination rollout to those most at risk of severe outcomes, can help keep them low. Under different scenarios and unless NPI measures are maintained, a high increase in both hospitalisations and deaths is possible (green and orange scenario in Figures 3, 5, 6), potentially reaching levels of last autumn if no additional measures are taken. Furthermore, entering autumn with such high incidence could pose an additional risk as school re-opening and
associated adult contact patterns together with climate factors, are expected to further increase transmission rates.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1409975770898907139?s=20

One of the four who worked on this paper (the case projection modelling which Nphet are using) had previous groundbreaking work on Snooker Rankings and Fantasy Football.


https://twitter.com/ChristinaKsci/status/1409811206056165376

PuddingBreath

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

It's pretty clear this pathetic excuse of a government won't stand up to criminals, young scum running a muc in our city for years, now lump NHPET in with that.


i think they are using nhpet as an excuse, fukkers working hand in glove

Weak cowards.

Country has gone to the dogs. Gardai cancelling 1000s of calls for distressed callers. They couldn't care less.



shur, haven't they more important things to do like stand on the side of the road with a speed gun on a motorway slip road or fake another couple of million breath tests to claim overtime.... never paid that overtime back did they ? ok for them to steal i guess?

That story is now buried since King Tony has grabbed the limelight.

Whos actually running the show?



no one in ireland has any real power, if they step out of line then the money markets will dry up, then we would see what really would happen if the irish governement worked for the people...we would be destroyed by external forces.
for example, if sinn fein get into power and they want to borrow more money to build houses, i bet ya the "markets" wouldn't "like" that and our interest rates would go up and our rating on financial markets go down.


Who in power actually cares about its citizens????



the CIA(not actually skitting, probably close to the truth) and no one in the dail as far as i can tell cares a jot


Utterly depressing.

agree, but people are getting livid and normally peaceful people are boiling with rage, there could be serious injuries to guards and people at the next protest, that's not a threath, it's an observation. people who have worked hard all their lives and that aren't professional protestors will be out on the steet now, people who never protested before...and they are not wusses. i would ask polietly that the guards and judicary step up now and help call a halt to this regime. we need to have new elections immediatly and we need to sack a large chunk of the civil service directly afterwards. we now have had 2 disaster in just over a decade and nothing has changed in ireland, it's only getting worse, no real reform, living standards dropping, our healthcare was already wrecked before coof. we're just following the same playbook that the are doing to their citizens in the USA, the UK etc. failing healthcare, housing as a commidity not a need, workers rights being eroded etc etc