Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641830#Comment_117641830

Yeah and you to have remember NPHET/Government put the Hospitality sector in a choke hold a few weeks ago with ' if you don't accept opening indoors using covid passports you're not opening til at the earliest end of September'

If NPHET had there way we would be banned from non essential international travel and Hospitality fully closed among other things

I see #NotMyPresident is trending on Twitter. The usual shower of malcontents with a pirate flag in their bio showing they don’t even have the foggiest notion about the powers of the President or the constitution in general.

Were these halfwits always around, or has social media turned some relatively normal people into cranks and conspiracy theorists?

hynesie08

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641830#Comment_117641830

So you could eat inside but couldn't drink without food, you could fly anywhere in Europe if they were open.

Now you can drink OR eat, drink indoors without food in Dublin from Monday, go to a match with thousands of others, gigs are coming back, cinemas are open with actual new movies, and you can move freely throughout the country and europe......

So much more restrictive

charlie14

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640739#Comment_117640739

Not really much of a counter arguement, but the face palm does pretty much represent my own thoughts when I read on here criticism of the path we are now following on easing hospitality restrictions, when it was all the rage here a few weeks ago with Denmark were doing the same.

Since restrictions after Christmas got the case numbers under control, and the vaccines have shown how effective they are, it just seems like some will complain no matter what course is followed. Nobody was overly happy with indoor hospitality being delayed by three weeks, but it is difficult to see how a point can be made that with over 1 million vaccines in arms during that period we are not now in a better place.

aidoh

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641797#Comment_117641797

Fair enough and, hyperbolic as I know I am, I would never be intentionally dismissive of the loss of life caused by this virus. The elderly have suffered just as much as the rest of society and, from my own world, many elderly people are scared beyond repair because they sit in front of the TV all day being told they're going to die.

Perhaps it's a separate point of discussion for another thread but I view the vaccine certificates as a further massive restriction and a very unsettling precedent for the future. In that sense, it's only an easing of restrictions, as you argue, for those who comply with the 100% totally voluntary vaccination rollout. For full disclosure of my motivations/concerns here, I'm mid-30s and slightly hesitant to take one of the mRNA vaccines (but in all likelihood I probably will by the end of summer) - just not in a major rush, and the current coercion tactics have if anything turned me off registering until I see how things pan out a bit further. But I'm also a research scientist by day and absolutely not an anti-vaxxer.

I have also complied with all of the restrictions that I complain about for the most part, barring the 2/5/10km travel limits.

When will enough be enough though? Cases are going to skyrocket as soon as schools go back (exactly as they did last year). Then we'll be waiting all winter probably for the supplies of booster shot vaccines to deal with the annual winter surge (which will be blamed on increased socialisation due to the vaccines not being effective enough). Then it'll be summer and the new Lambda strain will arrive from South America and we're back to where we are now. That's my big fear, anyway. So you'd wonder what's the point.

corcaigh07

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641954#Comment_117641954

Once you take the vaccine or recovered from Covid. If you haven't, you are a pariah and left out with no opportunity to prove that you are virus-free.

Much more restrictive, correct.

growleaves

The Soviet Union had an internal passport system. One parallel among many with the covid regime.

Boris Johnson and colleagues are bringing in vaccine-only entry passes (no antibodies or test results permissible) in September and Johnson has said the unvaccinated would be barred from many "opportunities and pleasures".

Personally I do not think that theatre plays, GAA matches, rock concerts etc. will ever be as they once were. They will be heavily monitored and drained of spontaneity. I doubt I will attend any such event again.

The essence of these events are permanently altered because of the conditions under which they're now to be organised. Especially anything to do with being a romantic rebel: "Hamlet", most rock music, some folk music.

We are a (non-)society of evil-prone bureaucrats. The way in which almost everyone now babbles in a kind of pidgin-technocratic gibberish is probably the truest indicator of the state of people's souls. Language is destiny.

Hector Savage

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641830#Comment_117641830

It is terrifying that as we get more vaccinated and are on the right track, restrictions are getting WORSE.

paw patrol

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641946#Comment_117641946

they may be insane but they make a fair point today.

this legislation is fairly is divisive in both it's meaning, application and popularity in Irish society. This law treats irish citizen differently by discrimination and was rushed through the dail. neither of these things are good and any person with an ounce of sense would have issues - even if they support covid measures and think this is an emergency.

The president has the power , it's part of his job , to send a law for review by the supreme court.

He could have done that and he didn't . I believe he was wrong today especially for a so called proponent of human rights over the years.

In closing , I don't get your sneering unless you think we should remove the final stage of protection of our democracy that we have. Do you?

DarkJager21

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642116#Comment_117642116

It's a vaccination for **** sake, not a lifetime sign up to a new ideology. I haven't read such a pile of over the top dramatic bullshit in quite a while.

zebastein

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641954#Comment_117641954

No I can't sorry, I have not been offered the opportunity to be fully vaccinated. And if I was, I don't see where I could eat indoor tonight. I have half of my wedding guests who had to cancel because flying in France as a 'not fully vaccinated' family was too expensive (hundreds of euros of tests). I guess there are no restrictions if you have the money.

Go to a match ? Last time I checked the Euro has been canceled in Ireland, that was last month, this summer. Gigs are coming back ? there have been 7 pilot events, under 20k people in total have seen a pilot event this summer. That is under 0.5% of the population, I would not call this something available.

You would be right if the summer was starting in September, but half of the summer is gone and there has been no indoor dining yet and travel resumed with a sh*t load of restrictions only 2days ago.

This summer was more restrictive than last year, but the autumn is planned to be less restrictive.

The Nal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642116#Comment_117642116

I love the over dramatic stuff. Gas craic.

"Ill never go to a gig or a match again". FFS.

DarkJager21

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642153#Comment_117642153

Well the vaccine portal is now open to 18+, so did you not pay attention when it came to your age group or what?

growleaves

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642139#Comment_117642139

Our "vaccine pass" legislation is meant to expire, but can be extended, in October.

Yet the UK are only bringing theirs in in September.

In reality it wil be extended and extended and extended, this variant that variant, 'anti-vaxxers' etc., etc.

paw patrol

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642174#Comment_117642174

unless i missed it , not once has there been an offical mention of when these vaccines passports will end their discrimination.

like this whole mess and to borrow a phrase from last year that i probably over used - they have no exit criteria.

DarkJager21

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642193#Comment_117642193

Get a vaccine, get the certificate problem solved?

11521323

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642204#Comment_117642204

It's morally reprehensible to split society into two groups, that's the point.

At what point would you draw a line? If the Government allowed segregation by Gender, for say, a sports club, would you support that? Especially since you can just change your gender if you want to attend the club, "problem solved".

hynesie08

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642153#Comment_117642153

So you can't drink indoors for a couple of weeks, but you can still go for a pint without food.

Yes matches, LOI and Gaa have crowds back now, bohs played in front of 6000 last week and 8000 next week, 18000 at the Leinster semis.

Last summer was the ****, we made do, but anyone acting like paying over the odds for a hotel in Kerry, then having to book 3 pubs and hope they let you stay more than 1h45 or didn't charge you 9 euro for a bag of chips, while watching the premier League play out to silence, was in any way less restrictive than what we have now either has an agenda or amnesia.

zebastein

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642188#Comment_117642188

Really ? 🙄

The reality is that if you are 34 you got your first dose this week, so you get your second dose around the 18 august and you need to wait 7 or 14days to be considered vaccinated. If it is 7days, that is 25august. And that is the earliest you can get for someone in the 18-35 cohort. Great summer ahead!

hynesie08

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642282#Comment_117642282

Might wanna check the vaccine thread, plenty of people under 34 getting vaccinated the last few weeks.....

Allinall

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642246#Comment_117642246

What possible public health reason could there be for gender segregation in a sports club?

growleaves

To see masked submissives standing around Hill 16 in Croke Park or herded into pens in front of a music stage is an unedifying sight.

If this is the future then these activities have been drained of casual joy.

The Nal

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642246#Comment_117642246

Why would they do that?!

We've had compulsory vaccines before. It worked. Loads of countries have them. You cant send your kid to school in America unless theyre vaxxed.

TBH Im happy about it. The anti vax crew not being able to go to the pub will have them going bananas and freaking out all over here and social media which is always good for ha ha's. Loads of people outside the GPO every Saturday for the rest of their lives filming themselves shouting into megaphones. We dont want those people in the pub anyway.

Solobally8

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641183#Comment_117641183

Where did you read this? The government is voting on this today and looks set to lose. Well that’s the most up to date news I’ve read here in Spain.

Can you link the article please?

Marty Bird

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641765#Comment_117641765

If you have to ask.. this time last year we could eat and drink indoors without paying to stay in a hotel.

sashafierce

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642246#Comment_117642246

If being segregated by gender was saving lives it would be supported

corcaigh07

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642260#Comment_117642260

But you have an agenda. You are ignoring the obvious discrimination revolving around the vaccine pass with no opportunity available to pass an antigen test and have the same rights as a vaccinated person.

Crowds are back but still extremely restrictive for most games. The Munster hurling final only had 7k, normally circa 50k and Cork V Kerry Munster Final is only 2.5k this weekend, normally circa 30k.

hynesie08

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642363#Comment_117642363

Eat and drink, not either or....

Red Silurian

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642282#Comment_117642282

According to the HSE you are fully vaccinated

• 7 days after your 2nd Pfizer-BioNTech dose
• 14 days after your 2nd Moderna dose
• 14 days after the Janssen vaccine - this is a single dose vaccine
• 28 days after your 1st AstraZeneca dose - you still need to get your 2nd dose to make sure that your vaccine protection lasts

So assuming 28 days between the (2 dose) jabs somebody who gets their first jab today means they are fully vaccinated on the below dates

• 25th of August for Pfizer-BioNTech
• 1st of September for Moderna 
• 4th of August for Janssen
• 18th of August for AstraZeneca (should also be the date of the second dose for anybody getting it today)

Just in time for the start of the soccer and rugby seasons :)

Source: https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/get-the-vaccine/when-you-have-been-vaccinated/

niallo27

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117642260#Comment_117642260

You could always stay for over 105 mins if you kept 2 meters last summer. On monday only half the population can eat indoors, last summer everyone could, are you seriously saying it was more restrictive last year.