Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Thrashssacre

Weve the majority vaccinated and we've essentially gotten to the same stage as September 2020.

francogarbanzo

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644132#Comment_117644132

lol. “When the measure is moved back” he says. When is it planned to “move back” again?

francogarbanzo

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644143#Comment_117644143

Yep. It’s always been about authoritarianism vs. anti-authoritarianism.

Del Griffith

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117644825#Comment_117644825

Correction, it's more restricted due to the vaccine requirement.

Essentially the vaccine has saved the Irish people €9 on a pointless "substantial meal", so there's that I guess.

duffman13

Summer 2020 - Novel Coronavirus R2.5

Summer 2021 - Delta Variant R5-8

Yes things are slightly more restrictive this summer particularly if not vaccinated but you would hope by the end of August once everyone has been offered a vaccine, indoor hospitality would just resume for everyone regardless of vaccination status.

This is end game now, other than possible mask wearing on public transport etc, by October there needs to be a return to relative normality in society.

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117641067#Comment_117641067

For now they are being used as means of opening up an industry, getting a lot of people back to work and steering us towards normality. They are discriminatory but in the context of a very intransigent NPHET and a government who will not go against them they are the only game in town. They are allegedly short-term and the end of August, with almost all vaccinations done, may make our future a bit clearer.

Allinall

The obsession with pubs in this thread is weird.

namloc1980

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645012#Comment_117645012

What makes you think this will be rolled back by the end of August which is only a few weeks away? It's only just been signed into law. The indoor hospitality for vaccinated people requires them to show their "papers" to gain access, wear masks at all times when up from their table and no bar service is allowed. And this is for people who are vaccinated still having to be masked up and no normal service!! What's the endgame here?

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645027#Comment_117645027

It's always been the battleground for some. Others are drawing attention to the fact that a cup of coffee will be subject to "papers". Hospitality is the last large industry still effectively closed that represents normality for us, no matter how little or much you use it.

Multipass

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645012#Comment_117645012

It won’t be by the end of August. There’s not enough Jansen, my teen can’t even get on a waiting list. Will be last in line for the mRNA, then 4 weeks till the 2nd dose, then what, 2 weeks until considered vaccinated. It’ll be the end of September, or e ven October by then, just in time to start socially distanced uni. Then we’ll have the freaking out when cases rise on campus, as they inevitably will do, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they send everyone home again - for a virus that manifests as a slight cold for the vast vast majority of them. I’m so angry about the way the young have been treated, can’t even sit inside a cafe to ‘save’ some health anxiety ridden, healthy middle aged person (oh but you’re good enough to make their coffee)

duffman13

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645030#Comment_117645030

What makes me think this? Logic to be honest, It might a couple of weeks after but once everyone over the age of 18 is offered a vaccine plus 4 weeks, the legislation then needs to be removed.

You can call me naive if you wish but I can get behind certain things for a limited period. Its end game, it has to be primarily because public sentiment has changed massively in the last 3 months and will continue to do so.

duffman13

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645044#Comment_117645044

Fair enough, I might be optimistic but supply lines I've seen in work for J&J suggest in the region of 280k to be administered in the month of August so I'd be hopeful that supply will hit pharmacy.

What part of the country are you in? Starting to see lots and lots of cancellations of J&J

giveitholly

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645164#Comment_117645164

If u honestly think this legislation will be scrapped in September then I have got news for you,with France introducing passports to basically get in anywhere and England introducing them for nightclubs then they are here to stay,facing into winter they will be urging an abundance of caution. The summer is slipping away and they still will only allow 50 at weddings,no confirmations or communion,no indoor camps for children,only 500 allowed at the hurling qualifiers this weekend. Once schools and colleges start going back the fear will be ramped up another gear and restrictions will be reintroduced

HerrKapitan

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645035#Comment_117645035

It's a pint and a coffee now. Do people think the supermarket, bank or clothes shop next door are not going to be asking for papers.

I see in Sydney we are getting a glimpse of what may come in winter here with construction closed again.

Red Silurian

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645183#Comment_117645183

People who consider certain news outlets to be fear mongers have the same mentality as those who look at countries like France and the UK who are reintroducing (or planning to reintroduce) and suggesting we should be afraid of something that's not really there at the moment...

Am I the only one that's noticed?

namloc1980

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645164#Comment_117645164

Logic hasn't been in play for a long time in this country. We're telling people who are fully vaccinated that they must wear masks at all times in indoor hospitality, except when sitting at their table. Fully vaccinated people...... where's the logic in that? I see zero chance of this legislation being rolled back in August or September.

giveitholly

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645283#Comment_117645283

Not really here at the moment? So it actually is here from next Monday. Do u actually believe by the end of August/early September the government are going to suddenly say no need for vaccine passports for indoor hospitality?

brickster69

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645183#Comment_117645183

Absolutely no chance that comes in for the UK. No chance it would get voted into law to start off.It's just not going to happen or they would of done it by now, it's just BJ scaring a few youngsters into getting jabbed.

growleaves

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117643775#Comment_117643775

I am living life. But I've had to switch all my hobbies for new ones. I am now doing things like cycling along the coast.

The ruining of things I used to like is still going to annoy me though.

giveitholly

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645410#Comment_117645410

Hopefully you are right,Do you think these vaccine passports will be scrapped here in Ireland in September?

Red Silurian

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645296#Comment_117645296

Masks have been proven to stop spread and somebody who is vaccinated can still spread the virus even if it doesn't affect them so the logic is that masks don't interfere with day-to-day life and the benefits are huge!

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645373#Comment_117645373

From looking at India it seems the delta wave is sharper and lasts less time than previous waves. It started in early March, peaked in early May and has been falling rapidly since. We also have a much stronger vaccination program in Ireland than India had when delta emerged there

Looking at the UK then I'd say their delta wave started in late May, it will probably peak in the next week or 2, there are already signs of a slowing down of the increase with the 5 day average dropping by about a thousand in the last few days

6 weeks after the 18 year olds are administered vaccines we should be back to double-digit daily case numbers and after that restrictions should be minimal unless a very scary variant makes its way here

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645012#Comment_117645012

The end game hasn't been discussed once in this country.

paw patrol

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645410#Comment_117645410

I kinda agree, I can't see much backing in the conversative party for this not mind the rest of parliment. I do think it is a scare tactic but the fact it was stated is concerning. It shows the mindset of those at the top table.

Our cabinet appears to have a similar view of the world

PTH2009

Beyond frustrated with the decision to only allow 500 supporters into the weekends Hurling qualifiers

Is there a new 'Hurling Variant' that has emerged since last weekend

namloc1980

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645437#Comment_117645437

80% of adults have had at least 1 shot with nearly 70% double jabbed. Yet you're talking about masks still being needed. The vaccines either work or they don't. Do you see any end to masks or is this just part of the "new normal"?

namloc1980

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645472#Comment_117645472

Just more theatre. Only 500 people permitted in massive open air stadiums is frankly farcical. I'm sure the pro-restrictions people will tell us that this is absolutely necessary though.

brickster69

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645461#Comment_117645461

Of course no one would vote for it. They would get fu##ing lynched and they know it.

paw patrol

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645495#Comment_117645495

While I agree, the last 15 months have taught me that a lot of people would swallow any restrictions if the news is hyped up enough.

I know they are only surveys but some recent ones highlight a significant minority would want restrictions like masks to continue indefinitely.

But I live in hope that this will be over soon for everybody in society

corcaigh07

End game hasn't even been murmured by the Government or NPHET. The vaccine pass is here to stay for the rest of 2021 at a minimum imo.

namloc1980

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117645533#Comment_117645533

This is it. We have absolutely no plan or path out of all this. All adults can now register for a vaccine and 80% already have at least 1 jab, but there is zero discussion about the end to all this. Instead we're bringing in "no vaccine, no service" laws and requiring FULLY vaccinated people to wear masks and socially distance indoors. Winter 21/22 is going to be rubbish.