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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Richard308 wrote: »
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pard-NV008P-Digital-Night-Binoculars/dp/B08L85RXVF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=pard&qid=1620569185&sr=8-3

    This is weapon mountable. States it in the description. My point is they’re duel use. If they’re not on a firearm they are not an issue.

    I can’t be clearer people use them for all sorts of things, lifestock, ber ratings, fire service, search and rescue. It is not an issue until they are mounted on a rifle without the required paperwork from the superintendent.

    That's not an obscure example either, it's probably the best selling night vision scope in the world actually.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Richard308 wrote: »
    I can’t be clearer people use them for all sorts of things, lifestock, ber ratings, fire service, search and rescue. It is not an issue until they are mounted on a rifle without the required paperwork from the superintendent.
    Here is one for you.

    I'm looking at the one you linked to just above this post and the ones in the link a few posts up. One thing they have in common, they are designed for handheld use or to be mounted to a firearm (says so in their description). However they are not scopes. I know the ones you linked to in post #15 call them scopes, but actually only one calls itself that, the Yukon and Bushnell call them a Monocular which is actually more apt. The SiOynx ones are the only ones that claim to be firearm mountable, but even if you used duct tape on the others and stuck them to your gun they are still not a scope, just a light amplification device with no means to aim or adjust like a scope.

    Now the law, Commissioner's guidelines, etc. make no mention of crosshairs, but for the purpose of this point i'll use it. Those units would not be a scope because they have no way to be used as an aiming device like a scope.

    The law, as i've said throughout this thread and the years on similar threads, says only scopes (telescopic sight is the actual term) are classed as firearms in themselves.

    The one you linked to above, the Pard, is marked as binoculars. So its designed as a hand held unit but has the option of being firearm mounted. This means that as a handheld unit it requires no authorisation and when its mounted to a firearm only then does it require the authorisation, but neither are scopes which means the point I initially made about scopes (and only scopes) being firearms and hence requiring a license does not apply.

    To summarize there are three categories:
    1. Hand held, not mounted to firearm - No license, no authorisation needed.
    2. Hand held, mounted - Authorisation required
    3. Dedicated scope - Requires license regardless of whether its mounted to a firearm or not as the legislation says its a firearm subject to the same application process and fee as a firearm.

    You seem to be arguing that those in cateogories 1 and 2 above require either no authorisation or just authorisation and i'm not disagreeing with you on that, and haven't since the thread started.

    The ones in category 3 are the ones you're getting tripped up on. These are licensable and require a license regardless of their use (hand held/firearm mounted). That is the one I have only ever referred to as per my post #7.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,431 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Forgot one other category...Head mounted..No authorization required.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Foot mounted, waist mounted, rearview, stick, etc. Once its not mounted to a gun the list is, possibly, endless. Think i'll stick to handheld as a generic term for all those.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Cass wrote: »
    Here is one for you.

    I'm looking at the one you linked to just above this post and the ones in the link a few posts up. One thing they have in common, they are designed for handheld use or to be mounted to a firearm (says so in their description). However they are not scopes. I know the ones you linked to in post #15 call them scopes, but actually only one calls itself that, the Yukon and Bushnell call them a Monocular which is actually more apt. The SiOynx ones are the only ones that claim to be firearm mountable, but even if you used duct tape on the others and stuck them to your gun they are still not a scope, just a light amplification device with no means to aim or adjust like a scope.

    Now the law, Commissioner's guidelines, etc. make no mention of crosshairs, but for the purpose of this point i'll use it. Those units would not be a scope because they have no way to be used as an aiming device like a scope.

    The law, as i've said throughout this thread and the years on similar threads, says only scopes (telescopic sight is the actual term) are classed as firearms in themselves.

    The one you linked to above, the Pard, is marked as binoculars. So its designed as a hand held unit but has the option of being firearm mounted. This means that as a handheld unit it requires no authorisation and when its mounted to a firearm only then does it require the authorisation, but neither are scopes which means the point I initially made about scopes (and only scopes) being firearms and hence requiring a license does not apply.

    To summarize there are three categories:
    1. Hand held, not mounted to firearm - No license, no authorisation needed.
    2. Hand held, mounted - Authorisation required
    3. Dedicated scope - Requires license regardless of whether its mounted to a firearm or not as the legislation says its a firearm subject to the same application process and fee as a firearm.

    You seem to be arguing that those in cateogories 1 and 2 above require either no authorisation or just authorisation and i'm not disagreeing with you on that, and haven't since the thread started.

    The ones in category 3 are the ones you're getting tripped up on. These are licensable and require a license regardless of their use (hand held/firearm mounted). That is the one I have only ever referred to as per my post #7.

    I thought you said they all need a license. That pard is a scope. It has a crosshair and illuminated reticle. Do I see a bit of back peddling. Getting the fca1 here. Could you help ? Type of firearm? Calibre? Action type

    https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/online-services/firearms-licensing/fca1-firearm-certificate-application-2020.pdf


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Richard308 wrote: »
    I thought you said they all need a license. That pard is a scope. It has a crosshair and illuminated reticle. Do I see a bit of back peddling. Getting the fca1 here. Could you help ? Type of firearm? Calibre? Action type

    https://www.garda.ie/en/about-us/online-services/firearms-licensing/fca1-firearm-certificate-application-2020.pdf

    That Pard is the most well known Night Vision scope in the whole world.

    What was said was "a Night Vision scope is a firearm, so to have just the scope, no firearm, needs a firearms licence."

    Yet there is no such thing as a licence for a Night Vision scope here in Ireland.

    It has already been explained in layman's language a Night Vision scope needs the authorisation of a Superintendent not a licence.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Richard308 wrote: »
    I thought you said they all need a license.
    Not once, hence why i said read what i'm writing carefully. You're not paying attention to what is being written, or not understanding it, but in either case its leading you the wrong conclusion and make statements like the above one. I've never, not once, said all of them need licenses.
    That pard is a scope. It has a crosshair and illuminated reticle.
    Ah, thought it was only handheld. In that case its a dedicated scope and requires a license.
    Do I see a bit of back peddling
    No.
    Getting the fca1 here. Could you help ? Type of firearm? Calibre? Action type
    Never done one, but i'll try.

    Fill in:
    • Section 1 - All parts, ticking "firearm".
    • Section 2 - All parts except perhaps section 2.5
    • Section 3 - Section 3.1 fill in make, model, serial number only.
      • Section 3.2 - Ticks sights
      • Section 3.3 - Where you bought it
      • Section 3.4 - leave blank
      • Section 3.5 - Fill it in
    • Section 4 - Fill in all relevant sections
    • Section 5 - Tick appropriate box in 5.1 and fill in details of land on 5.2
    • Sign & date it.

    Separate piece of paper include the extra details for the relevant section including the description of the item as a dedicated nightvision scope that under Section 4(g)(i) of the 1990 offensive weapons act requires licensing due to its status as a firearm.

    Send it off and wait.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Yet there is no such thing as a licence for a Night Vision scope here in Ireland.
    Yes there is. I've linked to it above. Its applied for with the firearm or in the case of not applying for it with the firearm must be applied for in a subsequent application and will be subject to the usual €80 license fee.
    It has already been explained in layman's language a Night Vision scope needs the authorisation of a Superintendent not a licence.
    No it hasn't. You still don't understand the difference between a NV attachment/add-on and a scope.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Getting the fca1 here.
    Out of curiosity, have you already got one [NV scope], or are you buying for one for this exercise?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Cass wrote: »
    Yes there is. I've linked to it above. Its applied for with the firearm or in the case of not applying for it with the firearm must be applied for in a subsequent application and will be subject to the usual €80 license fee.


    No it hasn't. You still don't understand the difference between a NV attachment/add-on and a scope.

    I beg your pardon, but I do understand the difference and it has been explained in layman's terms.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Obviously not when you don't realise the difference in licensing between a hand held unit capable of being mounted to a firearm and dedicated scope. One requires no authorisation/authorisation the other a license application.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Cass wrote: »
    Obviously not when you don't realise the difference in licensing between a hand held unit capable of being mounted to a firearm and dedicated scope. One requires no authorisation/authorisation the other a license application.

    Please stop, just stop with this ridiculous carry on.

    It was you who stated in this thread that you are not familiar with the various models of Thermal/NV/IR scopes.

    You've now gone from stating they all need a licence to some need a licence application.

    You're all over the place, it's hard enough trying to follow stuff that you have edited, moved around or just completely changed without this carry on.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Cass wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, have you already got one [NV scope], or are you buying for one for this exercise?

    Borrowing a night vision from my friend. Going to say I just want it to check livestock


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭ cookimonster


    Firstly did I waste my time putting up stuff like this -

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117014652&postcount=4

    The section in the above post re legal information is not makey uppy stuff ...this is direct paste and clip from various legitimate sources that are stakeholders in the system.

    On a point that is being argued here re - authorised / authorisation, please read the back of your firearms certificate, in fact read the your firearm certificate grant notice and even the accompanying document that holds your firearm certificate.... there is no mention of license.

    I qoute (again no makey uppy excrement here).....

    'You are hereby authorised'

    The point being is that your firaearm is authorised, as is your moderator, in this case with the addition of 's' on your certificate. The break down here is that the proof of authorisation for telescopic sights ( which by now every dog in the street knows, mean NV scopes) is not included on your firearms certificate even though like your firearm or moderator requires authorisation.

    So if any of you do want to apply for authorisation for a 'telescopic sight' (Commissioner’s Guidelines 2018) I would like to remind you of the current procedures -
    A subsequent application for a silencer or telescopic sight will require the applicant to re-apply on a new application form FCA 1 and will require the full €80 fee if the application is successful.
    (Commissioner’s Guidelines 2018)

    Re hand held viewers, monocoulrs etc these do not need authorization no matter what the blurb says in the pamphlet or website as they are not telescopic sights by any stretch of the imagination. However something like a Pard nv007 is designed primarily as an add on to exsisting scopes to give a day scope NV capability but has the added advantage of being able to be used as a handheld unit. On the other hand the various NV telescopic sights on sale are primarily manufactured for mounting on firearms. The design, ergonomics and practical application and purpose are for firearms mounting. The use of dedicated NV scopes as hand held scanners is about as practical as gaffa taping a hand held thermal imager to a rifle receiver.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Please stop, just stop with this ridiculous carry on.
    You're the one that started this.
    It was you who stated in this thread that you are not familiar with the various models of Thermal/NV/IR scopes.
    The brands, makes and models.
    You've now gone from stating they all need a licence
    Thats a lie.
    to some need a licence application.
    Just one type.
    You're all over the place,
    As i said above you seem to not be able to understand the difference between the two types of authorisation/license.
    it's hard enough trying to follow stuff that you have edited,
    Only editing was to fix improperly quoted posts. Its in the reason for editing tab.
    moved around or just completely changed without this carry on.
    Are you accusing me of altering posts to suit my view point?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 324 ✭✭ reniwren


    Aren't laws different for night vision in UK anyway so Amazon would be free to sell away.

    This thread is reminding me of the time I walked into a dealers and the guy at the counter was asking if the scope came pre zeroed


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭ kirving


    Just as side note the main discussion, which I hope some might find interesting.

    I work in camera manufacturing, and occasionally deal with projects which involve the latest NIR and MWIR (thermal) sensors, so I was keeping half an eye on this topic as I'm involved in very similar stuff.

    There are very strict regulations around both the supply of the MWIR sensors within Europe, and also the hardware itself, to ensure that they can only be used with the original screen supplied by the manufacturer, in that the sensors cannot be repurposed by people, organisation or countries without a license for them.

    Sending European manufactured sensors to the likes of China I believe can cause big logistical issue. Just thought it was an interesting point.


  • Registered Users Posts: 92 ✭✭ Paddyviking


    Hi All
    Has anyone got any documentation/authorisation to have/use for example a Digex or Thermion in this country.
    Just asking for a friend

    PV


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Cass wrote: »
    You're the one that started this.


    The brands, makes and models.


    Thats a lie.

    Just one type.


    As i said above you seem to not be able to understand the difference between the two types of authorisation/license.

    Only editing was to fix improperly quoted posts. Its in the reason for editing tab.

    Are you accusing me of altering posts to suit my view point?

    That's exactly what you didn't say above and it's there for you to check if you need to.

    You stated I don't understand. There is a massive difference between these two statements and someone as pedantic as yourself knows this full well.

    I think the best thing I can do is cease having this discussion with you.

    Cookimonster has stepped in as the voice of reason as far as I'm concerned.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Firstly did I waste my time putting up stuff like this -

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117014652&postcount=4

    The section in the above post re legal information is not makey uppy stuff ...this is direct paste and clip from various legitimate sources that are stakeholders in the system.

    On a point that is being argued here re - authorised / authorisation, please read the back of your firearms certificate, in fact read the your firearm certificate grant notice and even the accompanying document that holds your firearm certificate.... there is no mention of license.

    I qoute (again no makey uppy excrement here).....

    'You are hereby authorised'

    The point being is that your firaearm is authorised, as is your moderator, in this case with the addition of 's' on your certificate. The break down here is that the proof of authorisation for telescopic sights ( which by now every dog in the street knows, mean NV scopes) is not included on your firearms certificate even though like your firearm or moderator requires authorisation.

    So if any of you do want to apply for authorisation for a 'telescopic sight' (Commissioner’s Guidelines 2018) I would like to remind you of the current procedures -



    Re hand held viewers, monocoulrs etc these do not need authorization no matter what the blurb says in the pamphlet or website as they are not telescopic sights by any stretch of the imagination. However something like a Pard nv007 is designed primarily as an add on to exsisting scopes to give a day scope NV capability but has the added advantage of being able to be used as a handheld unit. On the other hand the various NV telescopic sights on sale are primarily manufactured for mounting on firearms. The design, ergonomics and practical application and purpose are for firearms mounting. The use of dedicated NV scopes as hand held scanners is about as practical as gaffa taping a hand held thermal imager to a rifle receiver.

    Thank you for clearing that up. About the authorization as opposed to license. Saved me the awkward conversation


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭ cookimonster


    Just a quick point here -

    The Pard NV008P as seen in the Amazon site page makes scant reference to this being a telescopic sight -
    https://go.skimresources.com/?id=61111X1383796&isjs=1&jv=15.1.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058184520%26page%3D4&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.co.uk%2FPard-NV008P-Digital-Night-Binoculars%2Fdp%2FB08L85RXVF%2Fref%3Dmp_s_a_1_3%3Fdchild%3D1%26keywords%3Dpard%26qid%3D1620569185%26sr%3D8-3&xguid=01EDV8AQG42QSJR14ZXYBD6ST2&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=b3d02bdf7252d1fc0789ad9708227d82&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B0%5D

    Yet if you do a google search for the same item nine (9) web sites list it as a scope / rifle scope with only Amazon skirting around it's true design -
    'Pard NV008 Digital Infrared Night Vision 200m 1080P Night Vision Infrared IR Camera HD Digital Night Vision Equipment for Hunting Safety'

    'It is suitable for hunting and exploring wild, safety and surveillance, camping fun, exploring caves, night navigation, night fishing and boating, observation of wildlife, search and rescue, night watching, bird watching, landscape.'


    'You can put it on for target shooting, etc.'




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭ cookimonster


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Thank you for clearing that up. About the authorization as opposed to license. Saved me the awkward conversation

    Don't twist my words - you need authorisation for all three items - rifles, moderators and telescopic sights. If individuals wish to use the words license or authorization, its semantics. In this case they mean one and the same.

    'He says you need a license for NV rifle scope' ... yes that's correct, you do need authorisation for a NV rifle scope.

    'He says you need authorisation for NV rifle scope' ... yes that's correct, you do need a license for a NV rifle scope.

    The above statements are one and the same.

    The fact is and I refer back to my post you quoted there are no licenses, there are only firearm certificates. The authorisation is what makes it legal. If your authorisation is revoked or modified that little yellow card means nothing regardless of the expiry date.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭ cookimonster


    Hi All
    Has anyone got any documentation/authorisation to have/use for example a Digex or Thermion in this country.
    Just asking for a friend

    PV

    These are dedicated NV scopes and therefore need appropriate authorization / licensing as posted here-

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117014652&postcount=4

    Also they are illegal in any circumstances for uses in deer stalking


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Don't twist my words - you need authorisation for all three items - rifles, moderators and telescopic sights. If individuals wish to use the words license or authorization, its semantics. In this case they mean one and the same.

    'He says you need a license for NV rifle scope' ... yes that's correct, you do need authorisation for a NV rifle scope.

    'He says you need authorisation for NV rifle scope' ... yes that's correct, you do need a license for a NV rifle scope.

    The above statements are one and the same.

    The fact is and I refer back to my post you quoted there are no licenses, there are only firearm certificates. The authorisation is what makes it legal. If your authorisation is revoked or modified that little yellow card means nothing regardless of the expiry date.

    Point taken, just someone was claiming owning it without any firearm required a firearms licence and they were firearms as defined.

    My point was you needed an authorization to put it on your firearm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,431 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    reniwren wrote: »
    Aren't laws different for night vision in UK anyway so Amazon would be free to sell away.

    This thread is reminding me of the time I walked into a dealers and the guy at the counter was asking if the scope came pre zeroed

    Yup, they don't make a fuss about them on a firearm for a start. As it is a weapon's sight or capable of being used as one, Amazon.uk or anyone else in the UK for that matter won't export it to the ROI either without Home office clearence.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Point taken, just someone was claiming owning it without any firearm required a firearms licence and they were firearms as defined.
    They are, contrary to your opinion.
    Richard308 wrote: »
    Indeed, it’s not classed as a firearm, .
    You use an FCA1 to apply for permission to own/possess it the same as with a firearm. It has its own box on the FCA1 under section 3.2 as described earlier.
    My point was you needed an authorization to put it on your firearm.
    Nope, that is what you changed the topic to. A matter of semantics. Your original point was they are not firearms. When i pointed out they were classed as firearms, the same as a gun or suppressor, you claimed the legislation and Commissioner's guidelines were wrong and that is was not a firearm:

    Legislation:

    Section 4(g)(i) of the 1990 offensive weapons act
    Cass wrote: »
    4.—(1) In the Firearms Acts, 1925 to 1990, “firearm” means—

    (g)(i) telescope sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic light amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to be fitted to a firearm specified in paragraph (a), (b), (c) or (e), and

    Commissioner's guidleines:
    TELESCOPIC SIGHTS
    In the Firearms Act 1925 to 2009, the definition of a firearm additionally includes: 'telescopic sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to befitted to afirearm .... ' Such devices would fall into three broad categories as follows and again an applicant must satisfy the issuing person that he/she has demonstrated 'good reason' to acquire the sight:
    • (i) An Active Night Sight - this device emits an invisible light beam which illuminates objects and would assist with identification of objects.
    • (ii) A Passive Night Sight - this device does not emit any beam but amplifies any ambient light (from stars or moon) which enables objects to be distinguished and identified.
    • (iii) Thermal Image Sight - this device resolves the heat signature given offby warm objects and enables identification of objects.
    When an applicant is applying for a firearm certificate or its renewal, the application should include whether or not a silencer or telescopic sights are sought for that particular firearm. A subsequent application for a silencer or telescopic sight will require the applicant to re-apply on a new application form FCA 1 and will require the full €80 fee if the application is successful. So it is vitally important, that where applicable, new applicants or applicants applying to renew their firearm certificates ensure that their application/renewal form includes reference to a silencer/telescopic sight. All firearm certificates which include authorisation to hold a silencer, must include details of the authorisation for the silencer in respect of the firearm by inclusion of the letter'S' on the firearms card.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Yup, they don't make a fuss about them on a firearm for a start. As it is a weapon's sight or capable of being used as one, Amazon.uk or anyone else in the UK for that matter won't export it to the ROI either without Home office clearence.

    Amazon clearly do. I’ve put it in the basket to test


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭ cookimonster


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Point taken, just someone was claiming owning it without any firearm required a firearms licence and they were firearms as defined.

    My point was you needed an authorization to put it on your firearm.


    I will reinforce the written word -
    In the Firearms Act 1925 to 2009, the definition of a firearm additionally includes:

    ‘telescopic sights with a light beam, or telescope sights with an electronic amplification device or an infra-red device, designed to be fitted to a firearm ….

    Such devices would fall into three broad categories as follows and again an applicant must satisfy the issuing person that he/she has demonstrated ‘good reason’ to acquire the sight:

    I can't make that any clearer then what it says there.

    At one stage you could buy a moderator no bother, now you need proof of authorisation. Whether or not you can purchase NV add ons or dedicated sights over the counter or via the internet is irrelevant. The fact is you are required to have authorisation for said item. It is up to the individual to be compliant and as in many sections of the law ignorance is no defense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,431 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Amazon clearly do. I’ve put it in the basket to test

    Try completing the sale with an ROI address?:) Don't worry you won't be 800 quid down either...
    It even says it in the small print bottom right of the page it's not shippable to outside the UK.

    https://www.scottcountry.co.uk/news/article/Licensing-and-export-controls-thermal-nightvision/

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Try completing the sale with an ROI address?:) Don't worry you won't be 800 quid down either...
    It even says it in the small print bottom right of the page it's not shippable to outside the UK.

    https://www.scottcountry.co.uk/news/article/Licensing-and-export-controls-thermal-nightvision/

    110% you can buy it.
    This one. Try yourself
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Pard-NV008P-Digital-Night-Binoculars/dp/B08L85RXVF/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=pard&qid=1620586584&sr=8-3


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