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Nightvision law/license/legality

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭ cookimonster


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Try completing the sale with an ROI address?:) Don't worry you won't be 800 quid down either...
    It even says it in the small print bottom right of the page it's not shippable to outside the UK.

    https://www.scottcountry.co.uk/news/article/Licensing-and-export-controls-thermal-nightvision/

    Been there, done that (twice, once with another company) and I can absolutely, positively tell you they won't sell you a NV scope. I got as far as paying for one and got a refund.
    Tried my Northern Ireland address and that was a no go as well.

    Look at their terms and conditions they qoute international treaties (?) and even though I asked them to direct me to the relevant license as quoted by them, for export they weren't interested.


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭ GolfVI


    Been there, done that (twice, once with another company) and I can absolutely, positively tell you they won't sell you a NV scope. I got as far as paying for one and got a refund.
    Tried my Northern Ireland address and that was a no go as well.

    Look at there terms and conditions the qoute international treaties (?) and even though I asked them to direct me to the relevant license for export they weren't interested.

    Just to add to this,

    A couple months ago I contacted opticwarehouse based in the UK in regards to ordering a normal scope and getting it shipped over. I was unsure if I needed an import license or end user agreement.

    The company replied stating they had no problem shipping over a normal scope, however they would not ship a NV or Thermal optic without the correct licence.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Richard308 wrote: »

    It's coming up 7 in stock and I can order for delivery to my registered address here in Kerry.

    Usually if an order can't be delivered to Ireland for any reason it clearly states that.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,628 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Cass


    GolfVI wrote: »
    A couple months ago I contacted opticwarehouse based in the UK in regards to ordering a normal scope and getting it shipped over. I was unsure if I needed an import license or end user agreement.
    I've imported about half a dozen scopes from the UK and all that was ever needed was an end user. The guy, from Sightron, told me its because they were over 4 power as anything under that doesn't need and End User.

    Has that been changed/removed since Brexit, or did they tell you?
    The company replied stating they had no problem shipping over a normal scope, however they would not ship a NV or Thermal optic without the correct licence.
    Good info, thanks.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    GolfVI wrote: »
    Just to add to this,

    A couple months ago I contacted opticwarehouse based in the UK in regards to ordering a normal scope and getting it shipped over. I was unsure if I needed an import license or end user agreement.

    The company replied stating they had no problem shipping over a normal scope, however they would not ship a NV or Thermal optic without the correct licence.

    They're a great crowd to deal with, very professional and loads of informative videos on youtube about the stock they have for sale.

    They were one of the first big traders to declare that after Brexit they would not be charging British VAT to customers from EU countries. They must be a big business I'd say.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Richard308 wrote: »




    Technical Details
    Sport Hunting
    Brand Pard
    Manufacturer Pard
    ASIN B08L85RXVF
    Additional Information
    Delivery information: We cannot deliver certain products outside mainland UK ( Details). We will only be able to confirm if this product can be delivered to your chosen address when you enter your delivery address at checkout.

    Tried it on three different scopes two dedicated rifle and on the previous gen Pard,same reply...Does not ship outside the UK.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Technical Details
    Sport Hunting
    Brand Pard
    Manufacturer Pard
    ASIN B08L85RXVF
    Additional Information
    Delivery information: We cannot deliver certain products outside mainland UK ( Details). We will only be able to confirm if this product can be delivered to your chosen address when you enter your delivery address at checkout.

    Tried it on three different scopes two dedicated rifle and on the previous gen Pard,same reply...Does not ship outside the UK.

    Oh for god sake I just ordered the pard. Bloody hell, try and cancel it now. Can you explain to my wife if I can’t why I was even looking at night vision scopes, never mind buying one. 😂


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭ GolfVI


    I didn’t need one, I was just ordering a normal scope so had it shipped over no problem. They just stated they don’t ship over NV or Thermal.Must have just been a reply they send to anyone asking a similar question


  • Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭ GolfVI


    Cass wrote: »
    I've imported about half a dozen scopes from the UK and all that was ever needed was an end user. The guy, from Sightron, told me its because they were over 4 power as anything under that doesn't need and End User.

    Has that been changed/removed since Brexit, or did they tell you?

    Good info, thanks.

    This was a couple months before Brexit so not sure if things changed. It was a 6-24x44 Hawke scope, ordered, shipped and delivered without any hassle.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Technical Details
    Sport Hunting
    Brand Pard
    Manufacturer Pard
    ASIN B08L85RXVF
    Additional Information
    Delivery information: We cannot deliver certain products outside mainland UK ( Details). We will only be able to confirm if this product can be delivered to your chosen address when you enter your delivery address at checkout.

    Tried it on three different scopes two dedicated rifle and on the previous gen Pard,same reply...Does not ship outside the UK.

    If you read the text that is in red in your post that in no way says they do not ship outside the UK.

    What's happening is when I hit the link I already have a business account registered with them so they immediately warn me if the item I am looking at will not be shipped to Ireland and that Pard 008 can be at my door on 12-13th May not a bother.

    If you open an account and put in your address it will show you delivery dates.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭ tudderone


    Ryan air flight over, taxi to the shop and buy in person (post covid lunacy that is).


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    If you read the text that is in red in your post that in no way says they do not ship outside the UK.

    What's happening is when I hit the link I already have a business account registered with them so they immediately warn me if the item I am looking at will not be shipped to Ireland and that Pard 008 can be at my door on 12-13th May not a bother.

    If you open an account and put in your address it will show you delivery dates.

    Well you must have some strange account with them, because when I put it in with delivery to the ROI it comes up at the prepayment details We cannot ship this to your adderss,etc,etc...

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    tudderone wrote: »
    Ryan air flight over, taxi to the shop and buy in person (post covid lunacy that is).

    Just order the previous model from Amazon.de,without all the hassle about having a reticle function inbuilt into it at 300 euros cheaper,and buy a few shims and a clamp mount and carry on without red flagging yourself?:P

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Richard308 wrote: »
    Oh for god sake I just ordered the pard. Bloody hell, try and cancel it now. Can you explain to my wife if I can’t why I was even looking at night vision scopes, never mind buying one? ��

    No worries...Soon have you sorted!

    Dear Mrs 308
    Mr 308 was a bit silly trying to prove a point and ordered an 850 euro night sight by mistake while trying to surprise you. He got the pages mixed up while looking to purchase you, the love of his life something you always wanted.

    Fortunately, Amazon have a return and refund policy for any such whoopsies. All Mr 308 has to do is fill in the paperwork and pop it back in the post and on receipt of the goods you get a full refund.:) he can then concentrate properly on buying you that lovely item you have alawys dreamed of.

    No need to batter him with the rolling pin or any other blunt objects,or put him in the dog house or upset your domestic bliss in the 308 household as we all make mistakes and he probably has learned in the future,to use a credit card with little or no balance on it to make sure should such happen the sale is rejected anyway due to low funds and to use the proper card for you and only you.
    He is a good man, just gets carried away betimes and gets flustered trying to multitask,something best left to you ladies.[Apologies if I assumed your gender there]
    Sincerely his pal Grizzly and others on Boards.ie shooting.


    There ya go.Show her that and you are home and dry. We'll all back you up here and are right behind you.

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    Just order the previous model from Amazon.de,without all the hassle about having a reticle function inbuilt into it at 300 euros cheaper,and buy a few shims and a clamp mount and carry on without red flagging yourself?:P

    Do you need a licence to buy it?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭ Richard308


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    No worries...Soon have you sorted!

    Dear Mrs 308
    Mr 308 was a bit silly trying to prove a point and ordered an 850 euro night sight by mistake while trying to surprise you. He got the pages mixed up while looking to purchase you, the love of his life something you always wanted.

    Fortunately, Amazon have a return and refund policy for any such whoopsies. All Mr 308 has to do is fill in the paperwork and pop it back in the post and on receipt of the goods you get a full refund.:) he can then concentrate properly on buying you that lovely item you have alawys dreamed of.

    No need to batter him with the rolling pin or
    [/

    There ya go.Show her that and you are home and dry. We'll all back you up here and are right behind you.

    Thanks for that bud, I cancelled and thankfully all sorted. Rolling pin would be the least of my worries. She’s well able to work a trigger to great effect.


  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭ solarwinds


    Do you need a licence to buy it?


    Point is ?

    I can buy a gun or a car without a licence but I cannot use them legally without one


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,436 ✭✭✭✭ Grizzly 45


    Do you need a licence to buy it?

    Nope! Because that particular model on amazon.de is an add-on unit with no inbuilt aiming reticles either physically or in its programming. You could just as easily use it on a spotting scope for long-range night photography or as a handheld unit.

    That's why it's freely available in Germany for sale. If it had an aiming reticle or was a dedicated weapons mountable system you couldn't buy it, unless you were a registered hunter in certain states for nighttime boar hunting, which are now at plague proportions.
    So yeah,you can buy that one and import it here no trouble and license-free.What you do with it then is up to you and the law if caught.:)

    LATER Unit in question for those who might fancy one.

    https://www.amazon.de/-/en/NV007a-Universal-Adaptor-Battery-Charger/dp/B08CHLR4LP/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Pard&qid=1620660447&s=photo&search-type=ss&sr=1-3

    Confucius say."He who says one man cannot change World. Never has eaten bat soup in Wuhan!"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,123 ✭✭✭ pm.


    Grizzly 45 wrote: »
    No worries...Soon have you sorted!

    Dear Mrs 308
    Mr 308 was a bit silly trying to prove a point and ordered an 850 euro night sight by mistake while trying to surprise you. He got the pages mixed up while looking to purchase you, the love of his life something you always wanted.

    Fortunately, Amazon have a return and refund policy for any such whoopsies. All Mr 308 has to do is fill in the paperwork and pop it back in the post and on receipt of the goods you get a full refund.:) he can then concentrate properly on buying you that lovely item you have alawys dreamed of.

    No need to batter him with the rolling pin or any other blunt objects,or put him in the dog house or upset your domestic bliss in the 308 household as we all make mistakes and he probably has learned in the future,to use a credit card with little or no balance on it to make sure should such happen the sale is rejected anyway due to low funds and to use the proper card for you and only you.
    He is a good man, just gets carried away betimes and gets flustered trying to multitask,something best left to you ladies.[Apologies if I assumed your gender there]
    Sincerely his pal Grizzly and others on Boards.ie shooting.


    There ya go.Show her that and you are home and dry. We'll all back you up here and are right behind you.

    Hahaha love it. I think you may have created a gap in the market... :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,805 ✭✭✭ Rows Grower


    solarwinds wrote: »
    Point is ?

    I can buy a gun or a car without a licence but I cannot use them legally without one

    You're a bit late to the party bro, sorry can't help you.

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭ solarwinds


    You're a bit late to the party bro, sorry can't help you.

    I am surprised you even acknowledged my reply but I did not expect much of a response anyway as you seem to have tunnel vision with your witch hunt.
    Enjoy


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