Employers struggling to fill positions with hundreds of thousands unemployed

Idbatterim

Employers struggling to fill many positions with hundreds of thousands unemployed. E350 a week for many to sit on their ass or work for slightly more, if full time on minimum wage... More genius from FG, who could have foreseen such issues? Any way, take the system for all its worth lads, if you are on PUP, you have at least worked and it wont last forever. There are tens of thousands here, who live off you and I from cradle to grave! luxury apartments, medical card, welfare bonuses, few hundred euro a week cash etc... the more you take, the less that is wasted on wasters! remember that!

there needs to be a proper pay related social insurance scheme introduced, time limited, based on what you paid in and possibly, that you start paying some of it back, when re-employed...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-cant-blame-them-for-taking-other-jobs-hope-of-long-retail-hours-under-threat-as-employers-struggle-to-recruit-staff-40400535.html

Opening hours will be hit as major retailers try to fill rosters during a scramble for staff ahead of Monday’s reopening.

Despite almost 400,000 people on the Pandemic Unemployment Payment, many employers have found it difficult to hire staff since the announcement that the lockdown will lift.

The country’s largest shopping centre in Dundrum has between 500-1,000 vacancies.

*mod snip - no need to quote the entire article*

EmmetSpiceland

Looks like there’s nothing else for it, we need to enter the highest state of “Capitalism” with the introduction of a Universal Basic Income.

Generic Boards rant. Would not read again.

BuboBubo

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Looks like there’s nothing else for it, we need to enter the highest state of “Capitalism” with the introduction of a Universal Basic Income.

And abolishment of zero hours contracts.

This is really really awful.
I suppose they will just have to increase the wages then.

punisher5112

We knew this was going to happen, the money won't keep rolling forever, times ahead are going to be extremely difficult for many.

Leroy42

So in effect companies are in a battle against the state subsidy to get a worker. No different that a company claiming price pressure on materials led to a price increase.

So they need to offer more.

€350 a week is €17.50ph for 20 hours. Hardly a massive amount, minimum wage for 40 hours.

And you asking a person to put themselves in potential harms way, certainly more chance of catching covid then when staying at home.

I say tell the owners to stop whinging. Either pay what is needed to get staff or stay closed.

How about they tell their landlords to take a hit, or their suppliers? Much easier to blame lazy workers!

EddieN75

Idbatterim wrote: »

Employers struggling to fill many positions with hundreds of thousands unemployed. E350 a week for many to sit on their ass or work for slightly more, if full time on minimum wage... More genius from FG, who could have foreseen such issues? Any way, take the system for all its worth lads, if you are on PUP, you have at least worked and it wont last forever. There are tens of thousands here, who live off you and I from cradle to grave! luxury apartments, medical card, welfare bonuses, few hundred euro a week cash etc... the more you take, the less that is wasted on wasters! remember that!

there needs to be a proper pay related social insurance scheme introduced, time limited, based on what you paid in and possibly, that you start paying some of it back, when re-employed...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-cant-blame-them-for-taking-other-jobs-hope-of-long-retail-hours-under-threat-as-employers-struggle-to-recruit-staff-40400535.html

Where is the part that says 6000 people have visited the job advertisement portal and dundrum expect a few weeks disruption before all posts filled?

Nothing to do with lazy people on pup. The problem is the lack of notice to hire so many people.


Fake news

Beechwoodspark

People are definitely sizing up their options when considering when to go back to the workforce

I don’t blame them

I was working perfectly fine from home last year when I was threatened and cajoled back to work for no good reason other than- what I could consider a power trip-by management

IMHO part of the reason this guy was so adamant we return to work was because he was exposed and “in over his head” without his team to lean on multiple times a week

Ironically this manager was “rumbled” by his own managers shortly after when it came to light his experience and qualifications (all abroad in distant countries) were complete fabrications.

If i was getting the pup I’d think long and hard before going back. People will weigh up the pros and cons

Idbatterim

rip off cost of living here, is a government decision... and say minimum wage was increased hugely, there will be many business closures and just more automation when possible...

This kind of rant won’t have them raging in the aisles. Firstly everybody on the pup used to work. Secondly the problem with next week is that many of those people who used to work in retail have moved on and don’t intend to just do retail again. That’s my neighbours position, he is applying to be a train driver.

Good for them. The benefits will be reduced eventually.

Idbatterim

Idbatterim wrote: »

rip off cost of living here, is a government decision... and say minimum wage was increased hugely, there will be many business closures and just more automation when possible...

That’s econ 101 nonsense.

Smee_Again

Whenever we can't find staff, we up the salary. Then we find staff.

Seems you're all for capitalism except when the product for sale is labour.

rolling boh

Maybe a lot of people know that retail jobs especially are not a long term good idea so they have moved on to something that might be a better bet in the long run .A career working in a shop now is a thing of the past if you make it to retirment you will have little or nothing put aside especially if you are on your own .

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If i was getting the pup I’d think long and hard before going back. People will weigh up the pros and cons

If PUP gives you a better quality of life, then people are going to stay on it. This government is going to have one hell of a battle on their hands when the time comes to wrap up PUP.

Necro

tara2k wrote: »

If PUP gives you a better quality of life, then people are going to stay on it. This government is going to have one hell of a battle on their hands when the time comes to wrap up PUP.

Unless they extend the legislation it's gone in June anyways, those still on it will be transferred onto Jobseeker's Benefit/Allowance which is payable at the maximum rate of 203 per week.

Bicyclette

If you are on PUP and are offered your job back but turn it down, you can be taken off PUP:

You may lose your payment if you:

Refuse to return to your place of work following lay off
Refuse an offer of suitable employment
Refuse or fail to engage with activation measures – this can include training that will help you find a job

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/unemployed_people/covid19_pandemic_unemployment_payment.html

Its not just the shops that are having this issue, its hotels as well. A former colleague of my daughter has refused to go back to work. She has been on the PUP since last March, on pretty much the same income as my daughter who has been working several days a week.

EddieN75

tara2k wrote: »

If PUP gives you a better quality of life, then people are going to stay on it. This government is going to have one hell of a battle on their hands when the time comes to wrap up PUP.

6000 people have viewed the jobs portal for Dundrum town centre. Management of the centre expect all roles to be filled and disruption to end in a few weeks. It takes time to fill all of the positions

Don't fall for the "people are gone lazy" rubbish

sabat

It's virtually impossible for an employer to match €350 for a part time worker. Between grossing it up as a full time salary and attaching a value to the expense and hassle of going to work you're probably looking at the equivalent of a salary in the mid 40Ks which is ludicrous for this type of work.

Sammy2012

If your on PUP and your job opens back up, would your payment not be cut off? Surely they have kept records of who has been claiming and for what?

Furze99

tara2k wrote: »

If PUP gives you a better quality of life, then people are going to stay on it. This government is going to have one hell of a battle on their hands when the time comes to wrap up PUP.

Dunno - once the PUP numbers start shrinking, it'll be easy enough to put a finish date on it. If I was on PUP and had a job offer to go back - I'd be thinking better to take it up sooner rather than waiting too long. Last in, first out etc.

The issue maybe people who are on PUP and also working off the books. They'll hang on as long as possible till they're exposed and/or kicked off.

Strumms

Idbatterim wrote: »

rip off cost of living here, is a government decision... and say minimum wage was increased hugely, there will be many business closures and just more automation when possible...

Automation is coming regardless...

Look at you local supermarket, off peak about 50% staff compared to what there used to be of checkout staff due to the self service checkouts which generally have one or two people supervising.

Ryanair, online check in, they hit you for colossal baggage fees...weight AND staff costs are why, saving on check in staff plus ramp baggage handlers... you print boarding pass, baggage tags.

Premier inn, self service checkin, ibis, Hilton has too, more besides. Fućk all staff, to encourage you to use.

Gym I go to, only accept online payments since covid, no front of house staff, that won’t change long term post covid... they have a new and VERY user friendly website, pay your monthly fee, book classes, 100% online. You have email and password. They give a handful of online classes, videos too.

Courier companies ! Book a collection online, fill in paperwork/shipping docs online, three have already trialed fully automated vehicles..



Automation has arrived, it’s here to stay.. it will become more prevalent....

It’s also going to mean a lot less jobs.

Pre covid, i walk into my savings account bank, I’ve had an account here since I’m a teenager, 20 plus years, the same asshole try’s to stand in my way, literally blocking my access to the clerks, sticks her arm out and try’s to maneuver me to the machines, “ I can withdraw, deposit, yadda yadda...”.im told, about 5 times a year... My answer is always “ no thanks, I’d rather get some assistance over here”... she replies with only an insincere smartarse smile... she doesn’t do it any longer as I said a few times before I’m even contacted by her, and not joking and before she can utter a word.. “ ok STILL no “.... kept asking but got me on a bad day.... “for the 26543rd time, no thank you...

mightyreds

Furze99 wrote: »

Dunno - once the PUP numbers start shrinking, it'll be easy enough to put a finish date on it. If I was on PUP and had a job offer to go back - I'd be thinking better to take it up sooner rather than waiting too long. Last in, first out etc.

The issue maybe people who are on PUP and also working off the books. They'll hang on as long as possible till they're exposed and/or kicked off.

Could also be a lot got stung in September and at Christmas where they came off PUP only to be back at the dole office 3 weeks later. Might be reluctant this time around

Dr. Bre

We need a great reset ..

thenightman

If I was on the PUP I wouldn't be keen to go back to work in non essential retail until I was vaccinated. Putting yourself at risk so some gob****e can buy tat in Penneys or whatever? fúck that.

I've worked a public facing role throughout the pandemic (public servant) and am unvaccinated and its stressful and a pain in the hole family wise when you inevitably have to restrict movements for 2 weeks and be tested multiple times due to a close contact from work, which I've had to do 3 times. But at least that was providing an essential service and not just so the ceo of a retail group gets a bigger bonus.

sabat

sabat wrote: »

It's virtually impossible for an employer to match €350 for a part time worker.

A part time worker wouldn't be getting €350 anyway.


PUP has three rates, based on previous income. You'd only get €350 if you were making 300+ before the pandemic, I believe.

KyussB

If all we've got are McJobs with added Covid risk, then it's past time for a Job Guarantee doing things like building houses, with whatever training is needed, and given a decent wage.

All the people who are so certain the unemployed are layabouts, are allergic to offering them actual decent jobs.

Geuze

Strumms wrote: »

Automation is coming regardless...

Automation has arrived, it’s here to stay.. it will become more prevalent....

It’s also going to mean a lot less jobs.
..

I disagree.

It may mean different jobs.

There has never been as much automation as now.

And yet there are massive labour shortages.

We are crying out for all sorts of builders, skilled technicians, etc.

If you have a skill, you will never be idle.

Geuze

Strumms wrote: »

Automation is coming regardless...

Automation has arrived, it’s here to stay.. it will become more prevalent....

It’s also going to mean a lot less jobs.

...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/unskilled-labour-shortage-potentially-harmful-to-economy-employers-say-1.4504745


https://www.cityam.com/us-job-growth-crashes-below-expectations-amid-labour-shortages/

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0413/1209630-meat-sector/


https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/labour-shortage-us-slow-economic-recovery/


I welcome more and more automation, as it increases productivity and wages, great, bring it on.

It does not reduce employment, there are labour shortages all over.

Housefree

We have to start planning for a post work world.

Richard Hillman

If you are on the €350 PUP you already have a job. If your company is back up and running, you can't just stay on the PUP.

The dundrum shops would have had people on the PUP but many would have found other jobs during that time and the companies haven't been advertising replacements. You also can't just get a new job and go straight on PUP.

Allinall

I would bet good money that there won’t be one business that won’t re-open because they can’t get staff.

These problems seem to miraculously disappear when they realise that their whining won’t get them any more sympathy or hand outs.

Normal service will indeed be resumed.

Dempo1

Idbatterim wrote: »

Employers struggling to fill many positions with hundreds of thousands unemployed. E350 a week for many to sit on their ass or work for slightly more, if full time on minimum wage... More genius from FG, who could have foreseen such issues? Any way, take the system for all its worth lads, if you are on PUP, you have at least worked and it wont last forever. There are tens of thousands here, who live off you and I from cradle to grave! luxury apartments, medical card, welfare bonuses, few hundred euro a week cash etc... the more you take, the less that is wasted on wasters! remember that!

there needs to be a proper pay related social insurance scheme introduced, time limited, based on what you paid in and possibly, that you start paying some of it back, when re-employed...

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/you-cant-blame-them-for-taking-other-jobs-hope-of-long-retail-hours-under-threat-as-employers-struggle-to-recruit-staff-40400535.html

Read that offensive article and the additional PUP bashing tripe asking has the PUP payment turned people into Netflix Couch potatoes. The Indo has steeped to new depths of Gutter journalism.

Not a mention of Staff dropped like bad habits when the pandemic started.

Not a whisper about Government policy that forced people out of their Jobs.

Not a mention about zero hour contracts, shocking wages etc.

Not a word about the clear fact that only 48% of pup recipients actually get €350 per week, the remainder on far less.

Now these employers are reopening the need for their staff has returned. Curious the timing of these and other articles demonising PUP recepients when government looking at ways of tappering or ending the scheme.

Will there be as much concern when in a few months, these concerned Tenants at Dundrum Shopping centre have knocks on their doors looking for substantial rents owed? I think not.

Anyone who thinks all these salons, retail stores, restaurants, Tenants, small businesses are magically going to reopen and trade as if nothing happened are sadly deluded, there'll be a few weeks of the awful phrase "pent up demand", business supports end and then the fun starts, Back Rent, Supplier debts, Bank Debts, there's going to be a collapse like no other.

I've no doubt there may be some on PUP milking it but refuse to believe there's a sudden lack of people seeking to return to work and I might add normality. The Department of SW has a dedicated hotline for employers who's employee"s refuse to return to work but worth pointing out the Department has on numerous occasions stated quite clearly there's little evidence to suggest widespread refusals to return to work and this from existing complaints/ Reports lodged by concerned employers.

We're all in this Together, My Hole

lawred2

Sure the PUP will be gone soon enough anyway

Gatling

They should litterally stop paying pup to retail or others who should back to work from next week ,and if they still say no send them to claim jobseeker's .

Honestly how much money do people think shops should pay staff to fold clothes and sweep floors were talking about jobs that need no qualifications or is difficult to do ,
Of course lets bump up minimum wage to €20 ph but that means everyone else is suddenly entitled to pay increases which would kill any hope of a recovery

ThunbergsAreGo

lawred2 wrote: »

Sure the PUP will be gone soon enough anyway

Hopefully....

enricoh

Allinall wrote: »

I would bet good money that there won’t be one business that won’t re-open because they can’t get staff.

These problems seem to miraculously disappear when they realise that their whining won’t get them any more sympathy or hand outs.

Normal service will indeed be resumed.

We'll see for how long though, say for an example a hotel has to increase wages to get staff back. They'll get away with it this summer as you can charge almost anything for a room this summer and it'll be sold out.
Once the dust settles and pent up demand is satisfied the owner will still have to fork out higher wages. After the summer burst there will be a lot owners reassessing imo.

Allinall

enricoh wrote: »

We'll see for how long though, say for an example a cafe or hotel has to increase wages to get staff back. They'll get away with it this summer as you can charge almost anything for a room this summer and it'll be sold out.
Once the dust settles and pent up demand is satisfied the owner will still have to fork out higher wages. After the summer burst there will be a lot owners reassessing imo.

That happens all the time with seasonal businesses, and did before Covid.

No business has a given right to carry on.

Smee_Again

Allinall wrote: »

That happens all the time with seasonal businesses, and did before Covid.

No business has a given right to carry on.

Exactly, businesses know they’ll be busy so will need staff.

This results in a shortage of staff so wages rise in the short term.

Why is it ok for the hotels etc to increase their prices but not for the labour suppliers?

Marx God bless capitalism.

Pauliedragon

This argument from business owners really annoys the **** out of me. I've been out work for a year (hospitality) I'm in my early 40's plenty of experience in retail also and I'm on job sites several times a day loads of applications and not a phone call even so how are they that stuck?

Eire Go Brach

Pauliedragon wrote: »

This argument from business owners really annoys the **** out of me. I've been out work for a year (hospitality) I'm in my early 40's plenty of experience in retail also and I'm on job sites several times a day loads of applications and not a phone call even so how are they that stuck?

Have you tried electrical retailers? They are absolutely booming. Covid has been very profitable for them.

Kewreeuss

Is there really a huge amount of people who don’t want to return to work.
At most they will try to milk it for as long as possible though and then return to work?
As has been mentioned here already, these are people who have had a job not the permanently unemployed.
There are a lot of people on all rates of PUP who cannot wait to get back to their jobs because they are bored out of their minds sitting at home.
Another thing, social welfare do check up with employers. This happens when there are reopenings and they monitor the recruitment sites and see what companies are rehiring. Companies then get emails asking if (list of names provided)have been offered their jobs back and refused to return.

malinheader

Perhaps if they bring in the 12 euro an hour living wage alot of people might be able to afford to go back to work.

Ramasun

The PUP may have created a living wage and if it was combined with rent price controls it would solve some basic social problems.

Pauliedragon

Pauliedragon wrote: »

This argument from business owners really annoys the **** out of me. I've been out work for a year (hospitality) I'm in my early 40's plenty of experience in retail also and I'm on job sites several times a day loads of applications and not a phone call even so how are they that stuck?

I know several people in the same boat.

The sums definitely don't add up.

zerosugarbuzz

Kewreeuss wrote: »

Is there really a huge amount of people who don’t want to return to work.
At most they will try to milk it for as long as possible though and then return to work?
As has been mentioned here already, these are people who have had a job not the permanently unemployed.
There are a lot of people on all rates of PUP who cannot wait to get back to their jobs because they are bored out of their minds sitting at home.
Another thing, social welfare do check up with employers. This happens when there are reopenings and they monitor the recruitment sites and see what companies are rehiring. Companies then get emails asking if (list of names provided)have been offered their jobs back and refused to return.

Anyone I know who has not been able to work during lockdown are absolutely dieing to get back to work, they are bored silly and need the income. Most I know like me who have been working from home are far less enthusiastic about returning to the office full time.

Dempo1

Pauliedragon wrote: »

This argument from business owners really annoys the **** out of me. I've been out work for a year (hospitality) I'm in my early 40's plenty of experience in retail also and I'm on job sites several times a day loads of applications and not a phone call even so how are they that stuck?

Exactly, makes my blood boil this blatant attempt at media and perhaps some on here to demonise those dropped like bad habits when it suited employers. The hospitality sector are quite adept at moaning a whinging and yet will avoid all talk of improved wages, conditions etc.

Ive spoken to a number of people who actually work in retail and in the Dundrum shopping centre and NOT ONE contacted by the very employers planning to reopen and the same employers moaning and whinging about staff alledgedly refusing to return to work. There's a lot of BS floating around.

I also know some hospitality staff laid off and again not a word from their "Concerned Employers" but yet very strangely same employers advertising with Vulture recruitment firms, WTF is going on here? Cheaper staff, worse conditions???

EddieN75

Guilting the working class back to their stations so the multinational staff and public sector workers who never lost a cent throughout the past year can buy shiny things.

Pauliedragon

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I know several people in the same boat.

The sums definitely don't add up.

The other thing that's annoying which I forgot to put in my last post is not all of us on the PUP are sitting back just happy to take the money. There are some I'm sure but not everyone and the non stop comments from people and in the media saying lazy ****ers is really frustrating sometimes.

jimmycrackcorm

Who is funding the PUP that they're getting? And aren't multinational staff and public sector workers also working class?