Employers struggling to fill positions with hundreds of thousands unemployed

enricoh

Furze99 wrote: »

Sure employers can pay staff more...but and it's a big but.. will you be whining when prices and costs rise for you and it hits you in your pocket?? That's how business runs, it's how they stay in business.

That's what we did for the Celtic tiger, rise wages and prices more and more and lost our competiveness - let's do it again so!

SnuggyBear

Anyone who wouldn't go back is only thinking short term. You might only earn a bit more working but what about that tax bill for the pup that needs to be paid.
They might have a hard time finding work when the pup ends and business start closing down left right and centre.

Wanderer78

EddieN75 wrote: »

Are you talking about banks?

SMEs go bust and are replaced regularly by better companies.

not just banks, its the whole fire sectors(finance, insurance and real estate), what we re experiencing now, is exactly what has happened in every other country that has allowed these sectors to dictate and dominate our economies

Wanderer78

NSAman wrote: »

And the pool becomes smaller and smaller. Until Amazon and the other online retailers are all that are left. Then what?

yes, this type of economy leads to monopolisation of markets

jrosen

Hair and beauty will struggle. Lots have gone out on their own over lock down. The money in these industries is poor. Same with hospitality..Its grand when younger and you want to fund nights out and holidays but as you get older its not enough. With the cost of living in Ireland so high now the pool of people available to take these jobs is getting smaller.

Its foolish not to go back if you have no other job options. PUP will be reduced in line with regular job seekers and once businesses open back up the expectation will be anyone on JSB will be available and seeking full time employment.

Gatling

timeToLive wrote: »

Employers need to pay enough for people to work. If they can't pay they don't deserve to be in business!

You own a t-shirt business ,6 employees earn €500 + for a 20 Hour week ,each t-shirt you sell makes you €3 pw t-shirt that's before your taxes and over heads including utilities and rent and equipment and advertising .

How long do you think you will last before you lose your home and everything else ,?

growleaves

Like a chicken still running around after its head has been cut off, we see people still espousing Thatcherite cliches even though there is no longer a free market. And this state of affairs has come about with their support.

It just goes to show how robotic these political attitudes are.

NSAman

NSAman wrote: »

And the pool becomes smaller and smaller. Until Amazon and the other online retailers are all that are left. Then what?

There is no competition left and you end up paying through the nose for things.

Wanderer78

growleaves wrote: »

Like a chicken still running around after its head has been cut off, we see people still espousing Thatcherite cliches even though there is no longer a free market. And this state of affairs has come about with their support.

It just goes to show how robotic these political attitudes are.

theres never been such a thing as a free market, all markets have an element of state interaction, they may though occur on other planets, but not here

B.A._Baracus

Way it goes really.
If someone is getting 350 a week from pup. Why should he or she do a 40 hour week to earn a tiny bit more.

Pup won't be around forever tho.

Oranage2

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Way it goes really.
If someone is getting 350 a week from pup. Why should he or she do a 40 hour week to earn a tiny bit more.

Pup won't be around forever tho.

Exactly this, who in their right mind would give back 350 euro a week when they don't have to work to suddenly start earning 250 euro a week to work 4 hours here 4 hours there and all the whole weekend

titan18

Oranage2 wrote: »

Exactly this, who in their right mind would give back 350 euro a week when they don't have to work to suddenly start earning 250 euro a week to work 4 hours here 4 hours there and all the whole weekend

Well that 350 a week won't stay, so if you're refusing to go back to work, you'll eventually end up on 200 a week and missed the chance of getting a job back.

Wanderer78

titan18 wrote: »

Well that 350 a week won't stay, so if you're refusing to go back to work, you'll eventually end up on 200 a week and missed the chance of getting a job back.

if you can afford it, you might be better off staying on the dole, a lot of min paid jobs are terrible

Oranage2

titan18 wrote: »

Well that 350 a week won't stay, so if you're refusing to go back to work, you'll eventually end up on 200 a week and missed the chance of getting a job back.

Maybe during the summer months but the other months up until Christmas are dead, you'd be earning exactly what you would be on welfare. Going from full time employment to retail isn't viable for many people.

Cilldara_2000

Gatling wrote: »

You own a t-shirt business ,6 employees earn €500 + for a 20 Hour week ,each t-shirt you sell makes you €3 pw t-shirt that's before your taxes and over heads including utilities and rent and equipment and advertising .

How long do you think you will last before you lose your home and everything else ,?

Perhaps a RL example would better illustrate your point than this fantasy. IRL the T shirt business employees will be in a large facility, possibly a sweatshop, somewhere in Asia earning between $10 and ~$80 a week.

maccored

Gatling wrote: »

You own a t-shirt business ,6 employees earn €500 + for a 20 Hour week ,each t-shirt you sell makes you €3 pw t-shirt that's before your taxes and over heads including utilities and rent and equipment and advertising .

How long do you think you will last before you lose your home and everything else ,?

the issue there isnt the hourly rate - its having too many employees that the business cant afford. either sell more teeshirts or have less staff. bad management isnt an excuse

maccored

Deleted User wrote: »

SF want to up it to €500 / week and continue it indefinitely, as do most of the "opposition".

https://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/58386

“I am once again calling on the Government to reinstate the full PUP of €350 per week, to ensure workers and families can keep afloat financially in these unprecedented times.

Now now - tell the truth and shame the devil

Cordell

CosmicFool wrote: »

I was in the local offie last week and a guy was chatting to one of the employees saying that he was asked to go back to work and he was better off on the pup payment so he refused.

Isn't this welfare fraud? PUP is for jobs that are lost temporary or forever, this particular job was not lost.

The DayDream

Cordell wrote: »

Isn't this welfare fraud? PUP is for jobs that are lost temporary or forever, this particular job was not lost.

The 'man in the offie' is about as real as the neighbour every middle class right winger has that has a huge flat screen telly with all the sky channels, drives an Audi and takes regular foreign holidays while on the dole. Don't get so worked up about it.

Cordell

every middle class right winger

You make it sound like it's something wrong with being a middle class right winger

mohawk

CosmicFool wrote: »

I was in the local offie last week and a guy was chatting to one of the employees saying that he was asked to go back to work and he was better off on the pup payment so he refused. He said and while laughing why would he bother doing a 40 hour work week for only 50 quid more. People like that piss me off. Leeches of society

Very, very short sighted of this person. PUP will come to an end and your down to €200 a week then. The job might find someone to replace them in the meantime. Do any of us except PUP to last past June or July.

RandomViewer

A lot of businesses aren't efficient, lots with too many staff,or lots of unproductive staff, this has shown up in the last year ,on the other side the year out for a lot of employers has given them time to re-evaluate what they'd been doing and a percentage will call it a day

RandomViewer

mohawk wrote: »

Very, very short sighted of this person. PUP will come to an end and your down to €200 a week then. The job might find someone to replace them in the meantime. Do any of us except PUP to last past June or July.

Think it'll be incremental ,

Dempo1

SnuggyBear wrote: »

The people on pup have also tax payers. They wouldn't be on pup if they weren't paying tax before the government shut down their industries. They also have to pay tax on that 350 when they start working again.

Would you like to be on pup or would you prefer to not have your job taken away from you? Answer that please.

Excellent response and yes you'll notice a certain "Cohort" who don't understand what PUP is and tge fact it's taxable, just one other point, 47% of PUP recepients actually get €350, tge remainder far less

Getting angry at PUP welfare recipients is the kind of dole bashing I just can’t get behind.

mariaalice

It's a bit confusing is this a welfare in general bashing thread or a PUP bashing thread?.

enricoh

Dempo1 wrote: »

Excellent response and yes you'll notice a certain "Cohort" who don't understand what PUP is and tge fact it's taxable, just one other point, 47% of PUP recepients actually get €350, tge remainder far less

The fact that it's taxable is even less of an incentive for people on the minimum wage to go back to work. Even more so if the government is paying their rent!

mariaalice

enricoh wrote: »

The fact that it's taxable is even less of an incentive for people on the minimum wage to go back to work. Even more so if the government is paying their rent!

You do know PUP will be wound down by the end of the summer?

Smee_Again

mariaalice wrote: »

It's a bit confusing is this a welfare in general bashing thread or a PUP bashing thread?.

For some there’s no difference despite it being pointed out a few times in the thread.

Can’t let facts get in the way of a good rant.

enricoh

mariaalice wrote: »

You do know PUP will be wound down by the end of the summer?

It was getting wound down the end of last summer too!
A few sob stories on rte and sinn Fein outrage should see the government backtrack and get it safely into 2022.
Iirc up north their pup was 100£ a week we're 3 times that- god bless populism!