200 people celebrate a wedding in Longford.

dunnerc

Burt Renaults wrote: »

I'd love to know what collage you went to...

I take it you never went to college ? :rolleyes:

Feisar

FGR wrote: »

I won't comment on this specific incident but will consider a hypothetical scenario -

Imagine a group of 200 people set up a marquee in a rural part of the country to celebrate something like a christening or a lotto win. This group of people know what they're doing and even after being approached by the local authority and the guards, court order in hand; refuse to desist and tell them to take a hike. At this point there probably wouldn't be many options left bar enforcement of the legislation - a process that would more than likely require use of force.

Now consider that this is taking place in a very rural part of the country. Somewhere like Leitrim. Like many rural counties there would be a set number of gardai working at any one time. Enough to keep things going but not enough to be able to take on even a fraction of the 200 disgruntled people who are militant about this function going ahead. With the potential for a stand off leading to damaged property, assaults and public order I'm not surprised they decided to stand down.

I have no doubt it must have been infuriating for both the guards and council staff as I'm sure they're putting up with all of the restrictions in their own lives only to see this crowd get away with it.

Even if it was Dublin or Cork with far more gardai would it have been smart or practical to go in and potentially fill all the cells in the surrounding five counties and block up the courts for potentially months - in a system that is far too lenient that wouldn't justify the cost or lost hours.

Add to all that how the vocal minority will come out and say the guards were too heavy handed and that no one was causing any harm..

Sorry. Just had to give my two cents.

I agree and posted a similar sentiment.

However there is another way. H Block Riot/Landsdown Road style. Hand out copious amounts of timber. Go light on arrests.

dunnerc

Peter Flynt wrote: »

We have one of the best education systems in Europe with one of the relative lowest levels of investment.

The teacher haters have just moved onto being traveller haters on this thread.

They'll hate someone else tomorrow.
Let the haters hate.

We have ? how is it the majority of kids who went through the school system here for 14 years can barely put a few words of Irish together ? Kids all over europe
can speak English very well !

One of the best education systems i think not .

minikin

Puff piece on RTÉ 1 radio now with pavee point about their vulnerable community… no hard questions from Aine ‘sh1te in a bucket’ Lawlor. Sad to see the organs of the state turning a blind eye to ongoing criminality…. but they’ve decades of experience with doing so for the church and some of its worst elements. Put the blinkers on and speak softly…

penny piper

Have the gardai even got control/able to police Longford at the moment?

Treppen

penny piper wrote: »

Have the gardai even got control/able to police Longford at the moment?

Have they ever?

rom

As travellers are recognised distinct ethnic group it means they are supposed to be treated no different from everyone else. However they are especially by the gardai. I would certainly agree that the gardai had very little they could do in the situation in Longford when 200 of them refused but they certainly could have made the event much less fun in a number of ways like playing annoying music or bring a crow banger, shining lights, cutting off power though it is prob from a generator, taking the reg off everyone car, taking photos to prosecute them all at a later stage. Backing down is going to set a precedence now that within a week there will be 10 other such events as they know their is strength in numbers.

suicide_circus

Panrich wrote: »

No thought whatsoever about all the guests who had to ask for a day off work.

Youre a bad man

BronsonTB

Why is there not a complete zero tolerance after complete refusal to abide by current restrictions?
(Because the political will power isn't there / civil liberty we have here & just not enough prison space as it is!)
Fine & 2 weeks in prison to anyone involved in the wedding esp marquee owner. Stamp this out now!
Otherwise it's a blantant 2 fingers to everyone else.

(A wedding like this can occur whenever safe to do so)

Feisar

penny piper wrote: »

Have the gardai even got control/able to police Longford at the moment?

ek motor

rom wrote: »

As travellers are recognised distinct ethnic group it means they are supposed to be treated no different from everyone else. However they are especially by the gardai. I would certainly agree that the gardai had very little they could do in the situation in Longford when 200 of them refused but they certainly could have made the event much less fun in a number of ways like playing annoying music or bring a crow banger, shining lights, cutting off power though it is prob from a generator, taking the reg off everyone car, taking photos to prosecute them all at a later stage. Backing down is going to set a precedence now that within a week there will be 10 other such events as they know their is strength in numbers.

They have been backing down for decades. In Galway groups such as this have been operating outside the law for years, with total impunity. Gardai are petrified of them, these folk know this very well and so continue to do whatever they like with complete impunity.

Fann Linn

They're getting prioritised for the vaccine also so there will be nothing stopping them then.
Never a more deserving crowd to get prioritised.

randy hickey

randy hickey wrote: »

Martin Collins "alarmed and concerned" and disappointed.

Fair enough.

eastie17

FGR wrote: »

I won't comment on this specific incident but will consider a hypothetical scenario -

Imagine a group of 200 people set up a marquee in a rural part of the country to celebrate something like a christening or a lotto win. This group of people know what they're doing and even after being approached by the local authority and the guards, court order in hand; refuse to desist and tell them to take a hike. At this point there probably wouldn't be many options left bar enforcement of the legislation - a process that would more than likely require use of force.

Now consider that this is taking place in a very rural part of the country. Somewhere like Leitrim. Like many rural counties there would be a set number of gardai working at any one time. Enough to keep things going but not enough to be able to take on even a fraction of the 200 disgruntled people who are militant about this function going ahead. With the potential for a stand off leading to damaged property, assaults and public order I'm not surprised they decided to stand down.

I have no doubt it must have been infuriating for both the guards and council staff as I'm sure they're putting up with all of the restrictions in their own lives only to see this crowd get away with it.

Even if it was Dublin or Cork with far more gardai would it have been smart or practical to go in and potentially fill all the cells in the surrounding five counties and block up the courts for potentially months - in a system that is far too lenient that wouldn't justify the cost or lost hours.

Add to all that how the vocal minority will come out and say the guards were too heavy handed and that no one was causing any harm..

Sorry. Just had to give my two cents.

Indeed, but the key difference in that scenario is that it would be unlikely that the Gardai would just walk away if it was a group of people as you described. There might well be a bus full of public order unit trained members on the way from Sligo, Athlone or Galway you'd find

Gaoth Laidir

fvp4 wrote: »

Fair enough.

I was with him right up to the point where he started to shift the discussion and blame the local authorities for the lack of running water and basic essentials, amongst the traveller community, whatever that's got to do with the topic in question. Apparently they can't follow the "wash your hands" guidelines and it's not their fault. Sorry, travellers choose to live like that.

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/gardai-called-to-take-down-marquee-ahead-of-a-traveller-wedding

mgn

FGR wrote: »

I won't comment on this specific incident but will consider a hypothetical scenario -

Imagine a group of 200 people set up a marquee in a rural part of the country to celebrate something like a christening or a lotto win. This group of people know what they're doing and even after being approached by the local authority and the guards, court order in hand; refuse to desist and tell them to take a hike. At this point there probably wouldn't be many options left bar enforcement of the legislation - a process that would more than likely require use of force.

Now consider that this is taking place in a very rural part of the country. Somewhere like Leitrim. Like many rural counties there would be a set number of gardai working at any one time. Enough to keep things going but not enough to be able to take on even a fraction of the 200 disgruntled people who are militant about this function going ahead. With the potential for a stand off leading to damaged property, assaults and public order I'm not surprised they decided to stand down.

I have no doubt it must have been infuriating for both the guards and council staff as I'm sure they're putting up with all of the restrictions in their own lives only to see this crowd get away with it.

Even if it was Dublin or Cork with far more gardai would it have been smart or practical to go in and potentially fill all the cells in the surrounding five counties and block up the courts for potentially months - in a system that is far too lenient that wouldn't justify the cost or lost hours.

Add to all that how the vocal minority will come out and say the guards were too heavy handed and that no one was causing any harm..

Sorry. Just had to give my two cents.

The problem here is, the had plenty of time to get reinforcements in place, the spoke to them on Tuesday so the knew it was going to take place, the done the same in Carrick a few weeks ago, set up a marquee in a housing estate after a funeral and blocked the entrance with jeeps.
So the seen that the guards backed down, so off the go again in Longford.

If 200 students set up a marquee for a rave, would that have gone ahead, you can be sure it would be stopped.

biko

Fann Linn wrote: »

They're getting prioritised for the vaccine also so there will be nothing stopping them then.

I didn't believe it so had a google and found this.

Members of the Traveller and Roma communities, as well homeless people and residents of long-term care facilities, will be prioritised for vaccination based on risk rather than age.

The single dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine has also been advised for this group because they “may find it difficult to return for a second vaccine dose."

This recommendation is by the same group that don't think Gardai should be prioritised.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/health/familyhealth/travellers-and-homeless-to-be-prioritised-for-covid-19-vaccine-due-to-higher-risk-of-illness/ar-BB1f9Wxy

Fann Linn

biko wrote: »

I didn't believe it so had a google and found this.

This recommendation is by the same group that don't think Gardai should be prioritised.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/health/familyhealth/travellers-and-homeless-to-be-prioritised-for-covid-19-vaccine-due-to-higher-risk-of-illness/ar-BB1f9Wxy

Couldn't believe it myself only I heard it this morning conveniently after the clip referring to the mass gathering in Longford.
Talk about rubbing salt into the wound.
Btw, absolutely no problem with the homeless getting the jab. Have never heard of their weddings breaching protocols and those poor fcekers normally only have the Padre to see them off at a funeral.

mgn

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

I was with him right up to the point where he started to shift the discussion and blame the local authorities for the lack of running water and basic essentials, amongst the traveller community, whatever that's got to do with the topic in question. Apparently they can't follow the "wash your hands" guidelines and it's not their fault. Sorry, travellers choose to live like that.

https://www.newstalk.com/podcasts/highlights-from-newstalk-breakfast/gardai-called-to-take-down-marquee-ahead-of-a-traveller-wedding

The usual brought on to discuss one thing and still manage to change the subject in their favour, never challenged of course.

As for their living arrangements, you could buy a house in Longford for the price of one of their jeeps, but nobody going to say that.

Mad_maxx

minikin wrote: »

Puff piece on RTÉ 1 radio now with pavee point about their vulnerable community… no hard questions from Aine ‘sh1te in a bucket’ Lawlor. Sad to see the organs of the state turning a blind eye to ongoing criminality…. but they’ve decades of experience with doing so for the church and some of its worst elements. Put the blinkers on and speak softly…

even by RTE standards , Aine Lawlor is a particularly insufferable bed wetting PC liberal

PalLimerick

Watch all the faux concern for breaking regulations. It's really just an excuse to go on Traveller rants.

Northernlily

Have the Gardai grown a pair and pulled this thing down yet? Jesus they are a soft bunch. What kind of country allows this crowd of degenerates defy a court order over a very serious matter without repurcussion.

paw patrol

fair play to them

the covid restrictions are a load of b0llocks.
the sooner people ignore them the better.

randy hickey

Being discussed on the Pat Kenny Show now.

mgn

On Pat Kenny now.

tastyt

The people making every excuse they can think of for the ****ers are as bad

Fann Linn

PalLimerick wrote: »

Watch all the faux concern for breaking regulations. It's really just an excuse to go on Traveller rants.

No. I just think most law abiding people are sick to the back teeth of getting the two fingers from this shower.

Gardai have no problem setting up 'rat lines' for snitches in Donegal but when 200 set up a marquee in a county town when they've got prior notice of an event and that event continues on.
I think that's were the problem lies.

Mad_maxx

tastyt wrote: »

The people making every excuse they can think of for the ****ers are as bad

along with subscribing wholly to " racial theory " , " gender fluidity " and any other WOKE doctrine

these progressives love nothing more than to glorify travellers and their so called " culture " , an added bonus is how this really irritates middle ireland , Progressives ( which include almost all of the media ) despise middle ireland and its vanilla social mores , much more exciting to extol the outlaws in Longford

these people ( media , NGO sector , academia ) never forgave middle ireland for not embracing socialism and so will embrace any and every cause or group they view as at odds with conventional ways and thinking , its why we are facing criminalisation in the not too distant future for criticising either travellers or bogus asylum seekers

ek motor

biko wrote: »

I didn't believe it so had a google and found this.

This recommendation is by the same group that don't think Gardai should be prioritised.
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/health/familyhealth/travellers-and-homeless-to-be-prioritised-for-covid-19-vaccine-due-to-higher-risk-of-illness/ar-BB1f9Wxy

'Clown world' I believe its known as

The_Kew_Tour

I'm actually amazed RTE reported it in first place.

They usually turn blind eye to stories like this.