Canelo V BJ Saunders - Texas - DAZN - May 8th

walshb

AdrianG08 wrote: »

I think you are taking it up wrong in fairness. Saying he doesn't like Saunders as no doubt people will feel his stance is tinted by a general dislike of Canelo, or a favouritism to BJS.

It does get thrown at people in this forum (mainly people who show the slightest bit of praise for Tyson Fury for instance).

Fighting you corner isn't making excuses. I'd have done the same, just because i'm not the a-side doesn't mean I should shut up and allow Canelo/Klitschko/Floyd play silly games to unsettle further. These guys were talented enough to win without stupid small time games to aid them further.

And make no mistake, Canelo will win. I applaud Saunders here as well, Canelo has backed down it looks like. I think it may be your dislike of Saunders that is clouding your own judgement.

The judges thing is a separate issue, neutral judges is fair enough. If the starting point should be that "whoever Canelo chooses as an opponent should know how it works and be happy to be there" then its everything thats wrong with the sport.

If anything, I think Saunders inflated opinion of himself has him believing he can win, i don't see it as getting his excuses in. I see it as him trying to make sure he gets that little edge. He won't win, but not for a second do I believe Saunders thinks Canelo is the better man/fighter. Its just not how someone like him would think.

He will realise Canelo is the better fighter after Saturday night of course.

I don't like Saunders. Not a nice person

Nothing to do with this. If I loved him I'd say the same.

And this is a man who responded to a polite reporter's question yesterday with "suck my balls."

Another reporter asked him how he was spending his downtime, and he said playing his balls and letting off....actually responding by talking about masturbation.

A lowlife....

Dissing Canelo in the face to face about cheating, and he himself a convicted doper....

I hope he gets thoroughly beaten...

And he does not believe he can win....every fighter will say they can win....he knows he is in too deep, hence all these excuses. Wait for after....it will be all "I didn't train a lick" and all that nonsense

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

I have no idea on the ins and outs of the contracts

Nor do you

I have no view on 18/20/22/24 feet rings....

You are simply ready to believe Saunders here....

It is that simple. He is making excuses and moaning aboiut details. Nobody else is, juts him

And you obviously see it as legitimate, and I see it as him making excuses because he knows he hasn't a hope....

Basically your saying no comment , you really can be contrarian .,


Did you have an opinion when Canelo was pushing for the bigger ring against GGG ?


Believe him ?
What do you mean believe him , what is there to believe ?
They arrived and there was an 18ft ring in place , it happened, ?
18ft is know world wide as an amateur size ring
Even an Olympic ring is 20ft

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Basically your saying no comment , you really can be contrarian .,


Did you have an opinion when Canelo was pushing for the bigger ring against GGG ?


Believe him ?
What do you mean believe him , what is there to believe ?
They arrived and there was an 18ft ring in place , it happened, ?
18ft is know world wide as an amateur size ring
Even an Olympic ring is 20ft

Saunders is the contrarian, and those justifying and defending him....

Not me...

I am calling his BS.....As are many others....

I had no opinion regarding GGG-Canelo.......I was not aware of this...

Leaving it now......you want to fall for Saunders' nonsense here, grand. I don't, I call it moaning and whingeing, all because he knows he is fooked...

Wait for his loss and his excuses.....and you and some others will be buying them

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

Saunders is the contrarian, and those justifying and defending him....

Not me...

I am calling his BS.....As are many others....

I had no opinion regarding GGG-Canelo.......I was not aware of this...

Leaving it now......you want to fall for Saunders' nonsense here, grand. I don't, I call it moaning and whingeing, all because he knows he is fooked...

Wait for his loss and his excuses.....and you and some others will be buying them

The ring was amateur or white collar boxing size ring .
He asked for it to be changed and it got changed and that's the end of the story ,


I'm not sure what you think we are falling for ?


I finding it hard to understand your outrage on this ,


Looking forward to watching the fight now, Canelo in the 9th is my prediction

Morrison J

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Do you think an 18 ft ring should be used in a World title fight ?

What's the big issue with an 18ft ring? Saunders last two fights took place in 18ft rings. Didn't see any issue taken then as it's very standard. I doubt Canelo even thought about it tbh given how quickly he granted Saunders a bigger ring. Clearly didn't mean much to him.

FileNotFound

yourdeadwright wrote: »

The ring was amateur or white collar boxing size ring .
He asked for it to be changed and it got changed and that's the end of the story ,


I'm not sure what you think we are falling for ?


I finding it hard to understand your outrage on this ,


Looking forward to watching the fight now, Canelo in the 9th is my prediction

In fairness he asked for a 24ft ring and settled for a 22 having never in his life that i know of fought in a 24ft ring.

Call it what it is - he wanted more room to run and move, make it harder to be walked down.

Canelo being happy to agree says he is very confident.

Saunders is a maggot and the decision was a maggot decision as the original agreement was around a 20ft according to hearn.

Either way 22ft it is and more a failure and fool he will look if he loses in it. End of alright. Bring on the fight. Some crap UFC fight night on to switch to between fights - should be a good night.

yourdeadwright

Morrison J wrote: »

What's the big issue with an 18ft ring? Saunders last two fights took place in 18ft rings. Didn't see any issue taken then as it's very standard. I doubt Canelo even thought about it tbh given how quickly he granted Saunders a bigger ring. Clearly didn't mean much to him.

Where did you see that I thought the SSE for Murray was a 20ft ?

yourdeadwright

FileNotFound wrote: »

In fairness he asked for a 24ft ring and settled for a 22 having never in his life that i know of fought in a 24ft ring.

Call it what it is - he wanted more room to run and move, make it harder to be walked down.

Canelo being happy to agree says he is very confident.

Saunders is a maggot and the decision was a maggot decision as the original agreement was around a 20ft according to hearn.

Either way 22ft it is and more a failure and fool he will look if he loses in it. End of alright. Bring on the fight. Some crap UFC fight night on to switch to between fights - should be a good night.

As far as I heard there was no original agreement,


22ft is fair and should be the end of it ,

StringerBell

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Placed it at 8pm on Saturday night when he was meant to be boxing.


Re: the ring. Is this not agreed during the discussions and written into the contract?

The ring size is whatever was initially agreed as per Saunders yesterday.

So yeah, load of ****ing ****e for what? He does my head in

As they would say in their culture, go out and take your lumps and be done with it

Butson

Going for Canelo stoppage, rounds 10-12.

FileNotFound

yourdeadwright wrote: »

As far as I heard there was no original agreement,


22ft is fair and should be the end of it ,

I saw a clip from Hearn on twitter and he said it was meant to be 20ft but I guess nothing was in writing. He had to go back to canelos team twice with new Saunders requests.

Said the Canelo team were grand with it. Can't find the link but I'm sure its easy spot in google.

Yeah its done now and either way BJS will be doing a lot of running for the night, just a question of can he run fast enough.

Looking froward to it. Never have I cared about the details just the punches

StringerBell

yourdeadwright wrote: »

What are your guys predictions ?

I think BJS will win some early rounds but be stopped around round 9/10 or possible survive & go the distance and lose on points,

I think he will try to run, hide and spoil and will succeed in that for a time because he has got some good technical skills but I think he will get caught in the mid to late rounds and stopped, all week I've been thinking round 6/7 but I will say probably round 9. I don't think he will see the final bell, I'll be surprised if he does anyway.

I don't think he has anything to trouble Canelo, or discourage him from walking him down and I can see him getting caught and punished when he starts to tire from the forward pressure in his face.

AdrianG08

Watching some of the pre fight videos, my god is there a more unlikeable character than Saunders?

I'd usually root for any kind of underdog, but the man is remarkably obnoxious.

You can see some guys do it to build the fight etc.. but he is just awful.

Seeing them all sitting around the hotel lobby, they will need industrial cleaners to get rid of the waft of testosterone and bullsh*t when their crew leave.

Wouldn't be surprised if Fury is on a wind up with him aswell, filling his head with nonsense knowing he will get dominated. The machismo is gas.

Morrison J

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Where did you see that I thought the SSE for Murray was a 20ft ?

https://twitter.com/cmckennasport/status/1390069111225520129?s=19

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I finding it hard to understand your outrage on this ,

Not outraged at all

Just calling it BS

Butson

AdrianG08 wrote: »

Watching some of the pre fight videos, my god is there a more unlikeable character than Saunders?

I'd usually root for any kind of underdog, but the man is remarkably obnoxious.

You can see some guys do it to build the fight etc.. but he is just awful.

Seeing them all sitting around the hotel lobby, they will need industrial cleaners to get rid of the waft of testosterone and bullsh*t when their crew leave.

Wouldn't be surprised if Fury is on a wind up with him aswell, filling his head with nonsense knowing he will get dominated. The machismo is gas.

Saunders old man giving lip to Canelo at the face off yesterday.
The absolute cut of him.

Mantis Toboggan

It's an interesting topic, the concession will no doubt be seen as a win by BJS, its all mind games, in his mind he's already 1 round up.

Mantis Toboggan

I could see Billy winning a good few of the early rounds and then going on the run. If it goes the distance he'll have a chance but I'd fancy the Mexican to get a stoppage around 9/10.

FileNotFound

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

It's an interesting topic, the concession will no doubt be seen as a win by BJS, its all mind games, in his mind he's already 1 round up.

I honestly think he was hoping it might get to Canelo and his team - doesn't seem to bother them. Maybe I am mistaken but that is supreme confidence from the Canelo side.

BJS looking at losing his belt and record - seen the odds were 7 to 1 on for Canelo - pretty steep.

StringerBell

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

It's an interesting topic, the concession will no doubt be seen as a win by BJS, its all mind games, in his mind he's already 1 round up.

I literally watched a clip of him yesterday saying everything was sorted and what was agreed at the start is whats happening, is that a concession?

Mantis Toboggan

StringerBell wrote: »

I literally watched a clip of him yesterday saying everything was sorted and what was agreed at the start is whats happening, is that a concession?

They're going with the 22ft ring when 20 ft had been agreed. Canelo has agreed to it.

StringerBell

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

They're going with the 22ft ring when 20 ft had been agreed. Canelo has agreed to it.

Why did Saunders say yesterday that everything was sorted and that everything was the way it was agreed from the start if there was any change?

To be even clearer, if he had gotten some concession don't you think he would have crowed about it as he was talking on camera being interviewed?

Edit: Ill dig for the video link after work

begbysback

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

It's an interesting topic, the concession will no doubt be seen as a win by BJS, its all mind games, in his mind he's already 1 round up.

Probably the most deluded person I’ve ever seen, he thinks he’s 1 up but everyone else in the world knows he’d love an opportunity to duck this. Have never hoped a boxer would get really hurt in the ring before but fcukin hell I do hope Canelo retires him here with a great amount of both physical and mental pain as a send off gift.

StringerBell

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2021/05/canelo-agrees-to-fight-saunders-in-22-ft-ring/?amp

From that it seems that Eddie is saying there was an initial misunderstanding over the ring size on his end (and Saunders) and nothing to do with Canelo or his team and when he went back and said theres a problem Canelo said straight away yeah no bother.

Can't for the life of me find the video.

FileNotFound

StringerBell wrote: »

Why did Saunders say yesterday that everything was sorted and that everything was the way it was agreed from the start if there was any change?

To be even clearer, if he had gotten some concession don't you think he would have crowed about it as he was talking on camera being interviewed?

Edit: Ill dig for the video link after work

Is this the same man that said Daniel Kinahan is a top bloke that never did anything wrong? Clearly a man to be trusted on his word haha.

The video a few posts back with the Hearne says all that needs be said.

BJS was being a whiney b1tch and Canelo doesn't seem to give a rats ass. That may be why he didn't want to continue the conversation, it seems to only have upset and affected him and his camp.

It will give BJS a better chance than he had - more running room

NewMan1982

If you have a DAZN subscription can you just put the fight on at any time you want Sunday morning?

walshb

NewMan1982 wrote: »

If you have a DAZN subscription can you just put the fight on at any time you want Sunday morning?

Yes

It's on the library, similar to youtube

I will probably watch the recording of it....these 0500 morning jobs are too much

FileNotFound

walshb wrote: »

Yes

It's on the library, similar to youtube

I will probably watch the recording of it....these 0500 morning jobs are too much

Too hell with that - crack open the whiskey and shout at the telly when everyone else is in bed.

Got to keep some traditions alive

SHOVELLER

Saunders is not standing up for himself. Cant believe anyone would fall for that laughable narrative. He's been found out with the ring size BS. If it wasnt that it would be the arena lights or not enough tickets for his goons or Canelo ate too much.

The funniest thing is Canelo is more or less yawning with this crap and Saunders is too stupid to notice.

Love to see him sparked but going for UD.

begbysback

I’ll believe he’ll fight fight him when I see him in the ring after the bell goes, until then it’s very possible the snake will wiggle out of this one.

Anyone see bookies odds on the fight not happening?

Andrew76

Press conference live stream on atm.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUhBptAKYZ8

NewMan1982

walshb wrote: »

Yes

It's on the library, similar to youtube

I will probably watch the recording of it....these 0500 morning jobs are too much

Yea it’s too late to stay up these days. Wrecked all day Sunday if you do.

FileNotFound

Quick question on DAZN. Well a few.

So it's 1.99 a month in Ireland.
The fights included in that price and catch up is available anytime next day.
Is it device specific or a sign in 1 user job on any device?
Is it browser or app based?

Will have the fight live on my TV service but was thinking I would sign up just incase the whiskey gets the better of me on the night Haha.

If anyone has used/uses the info would be much appreciated

walshb

FileNotFound wrote: »

Quick question on DAZN. Well a few.

So it's 1.99 a month in Ireland.
The fights included in that price and catch up is available anytime next day.
Is it device specific or a sign in 1 user job on any device?
Is it browser or app based?

Will have the fight live on my TV service but was thinking I would sign up just incase the whiskey gets the better of me on the night Haha.

If anyone has used/uses the info would be much appreciated

1.99

Fight included

Catch up available.

One user available (one IP) across any devices

Browser based! But is on the App Store!

Joeseph Balls

FileNotFound wrote: »

Quick question on DAZN. Well a few.

So it's 1.99 a month in Ireland.
The fights included in that price and catch up is available anytime next day.
Is it device specific or a sign in 1 user job on any device?
Is it browser or app based?

Will have the fight live on my TV service but was thinking I would sign up just incase the whiskey gets the better of me on the night Haha.

If anyone has used/uses the info would be much appreciated

I'm the same but I'm just after looking it up on their website. For 1.99 is a great deal. It's all on the homepage when you scroll down.
Devices are your usual TVs, Samsung, LG etc.
Chromecast, fire stick, Xbox, PlayStation, phone. Be harder find a device without the app available
Seems a great job.

walshb

Nobody is backing Saunders as heavily as Fury..

Fury says it will be an easy smashing..

Mantis Toboggan

walshb wrote: »

Nobody is backing Saunders as heavily as Fury..

Fury says it will be an easy smashing..

Aren't they related so not surprised to be hearing that.

Might as well be confident pre fight, if he doesn't think he can win he's got no business in the ring.

AdrianG08

walshb wrote: »

Nobody is backing Saunders as heavily as Fury..

Fury says it will be an easy smashing..

My bet is they don't even like each other. Competitive family rivalry. The fact Fury is saying he will smash him only ups the pressure on BJS and there will obviously be certain level of embarrassment on his end when he loses.

x PyRo

I honestly think BJS has a serious chance of outboxing him - and think he's very underrated by many - whether he can keep it up for the full 12, God knows. Maybe I'm an idiot. I probably am an idiot. :pac:

Looking forward to it though.

Butson

x PyRo wrote: »

I honestly think BJS has a serious chance of outboxing him - and think he's very underrated by many - whether he can keep it up for the full 12, God knows. Maybe I'm an idiot. I probably am an idiot. :pac:

Looking forward to it though.

What are you basing that on though?

He fought a shot Andy Lee who has since admitted his head wasn't in a good place for that fight. David Lemieux? Levels below Canelo.

I hope you are right as would love a competitive fight. He does look in great shape and his head is screwed on for this one. Nobody gave Lopez a chance against Loma, but Canelo is a different animal.

walshb

x PyRo wrote: »

I honestly think BJS has a serious chance of outboxing him - and think he's very underrated by many - whether he can keep it up for the full 12, God knows. Maybe I'm an idiot. I probably am an idiot. :pac:

Looking forward to it though.

Canelo is an excellent boxer as well as boxer/fighter...

Saunders will land next to nothing on offence, unless Canelo is so nonchalant and simply does not care what Suanders hits him with

It will be a walk down quit job beating....

eazy night...Saunders cannot outbox Canelo, or outfight him

Run, hold, spoil and pitter patter until he gets taken out, or loses very wide on the cards

FileNotFound

walshb wrote: »

Canelo is an excellent boxer as well as boxer/fighter...

Saunders will land next to nothing on offence, unless Canelo is so nonchalant and simply does not care what Suanders hits him with

It will be a walk down quit job beating....

eazy night...Saunders cannot outbox Canelo, or outfight him

Run, hold, spoil and pitter patter until he gets taken out, or loses very wide on the cards

I do think Saunders has more than most give him credit for but just think Canelo will really be too much for him.

Looking forward to it, will even sign up to DAZN incase i nod off so i can get the replay next morning.

yourdeadwright

BJs is a very good boxer but for whatever reasons he just never got his career going at the very top end ,( I know he is a world champion)

Down to himself and sometimes others he never got enough quality opponents to really kick on ,
He kind a built himself up but then never took the final step to fighting top tier guys consistently ,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

BJs is a very good boxer but for whatever reasons he just never got his career going at the very top end ,( I know he is a world champion)

Down to himself and sometimes others he never got enough quality opponents to really kick on ,
He kind a built himself up but then never took the final step to fighting top tier guys consistently ,

Yes

Good mover and boxer.....juts no wins against world class opposition....

generalgerry

I have 50 on Canelo to win. I would love to see Saunders do it, but I just can't see it happening. BJS certainly does get up for the occasion but Canelo has been mixing with a much higher class of opponent for a much longer period of time. Hard to think that BJS, who crash dieted to get down to weight /really hasn't been active enough / has been competing against lower level opponents, will cause him any issues.

yourdeadwright

generalgerry wrote: »

I have 50 on Canelo to win. I would love to see Saunders do it, but I just can't see it happening. BJS certainly does get up for the occasion but Canelo has been mixing with a much higher class of opponent for a much longer period of time. Hard to think that BJS, who crash dieted to get down to weight /really hasn't been active enough / has been competing against lower level opponents, will cause him any issues.

Just me or has Canelo head and jaw grown year on year while still managing to be chiselled


The Mexican beef is some powerful stuff ,

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Just me or has Canelo head and jaw grown year on year while still managing to be chiselled


The Mexican beef is some powerful stuff ,

That you, Billy Joe?

This is exactly what Saunders (a drugs cheat) will say when he's laid out!!!

yourdeadwright

walshb wrote: »

That you, Billy Joe?

This is exactly what Saunders (a drugs cheat) will say when he's laid out!!!

No excuses he's a far better boxer & fighter but he does look to have grown

walshb

yourdeadwright wrote: »

No excuses he's a far better boxer & fighter but he does look to have grown

He has grown....it happens....you mature and fill out as you age..

Blocky and stocky build....

Still a small SMW fighter....

Canelo is a 160 lbs fighter really....

simongurnick

Betway offering 2/1 on a Canelo finish. Seems tasty to me, although there will be a stake limit on that price.

Would love to see a good competitive fight, but don't think we will. Fancy Saul to dominate and eventually take him out.

Nice to see the support act being a world title fight between Soto and Katayama at flyweight. Should be a good one.