Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

cheezums

at this point they should really just stop testing altogether. keep banging out vaccines. if you gotta go to hospital you go to hospital. treat it just like the flu. which is basically what it is now at our level of vaccination.

PowerToWait

Deleted User wrote: »

Posted the same earlier.

Lockdown is a failed strategy. Sitting in lockdown for the best part of 10 months has achieved nothing.

Difficult to believe people who can use internet enabled devices could still post this sort of shîte with a straight face, yet here we are.

In fairness to you though, you’ve been consistent in your abject failing to understand the point of what you call “lockdown”.

But you get lots of ‘thanks’, so that’s nice.

Backstreet Moyes

I often hear about how Nphet have a stressful job but what do they actually do?

They are together 16 months and the only plan is to lock down the country until everyone is vaccinated.

I mean a 7 year old on his own could oversee that plan, why do we need to pay 40 odd people a fortune for something a kid could do?

agoodpunt

Nuts102 wrote: »

I often hear about how Nphet have a stressful job but what do they actually do?

They are together 16 months and the only plan is to lock down the country until everyone is vaccinated.

I mean a 7 year old on his own could oversee that plan, why do we need to pay 40 odd people a fortune for something a kid could do?

Its a well paid dosshouse for some, their advice if where wrong no sanction nothing to lose unlike the ecomomy



HSE is a shambles no accountability reform

PowerToWait

PowerToWait wrote: »

Difficult to believe people who can use internet enabled devices could still post this sort of shîte with a straight face, yet here we are.

In fairness to you though, you’ve been consistent in your abject failing to understand the point of what you call “lockdown”.

But you get lots of ‘thanks’, so that’s nice.

We’ve sat in lockdown for months on end to show an “abundance of caution” and now we’re saying the next wave is starting and will hit us hard.

A monumental failure.

Silentcorner

agoodpunt wrote: »

Its a well paid dosshouse for some, their advice if where wrong no sanction nothing to lose unlike the ecomomy



HSE is a shambles no accountability reform

This what I don't get...we all know the HSE is a shambles, and yet many can't bring themselves to criticize Nphet who are a product of that shambles of a health service, they believe in every action and restriction that has been imposed on us, despite what we all know about the dysfunctional health system and what they can see in every other country in the world.

It's bizarre.

MadYaker

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ve sat in lockdown for months on end to show an “abundance of caution” and now we’re saying the next wave is starting and will hit us hard.

A monumental failure.

I guess if you have no understanding of what's actually happening then you would think that, but sure you've been utterly clueless since day one so it's not surprising at all, it's funny at this stage.

Silentcorner

MadYaker wrote: »

I guess if you have no understanding of what's actually happening then you would think that, but sure you've been utterly clueless since day one so it's not surprising at all, it's funny at this stage.

Go on....fill us in...why are our experts going in a different more severe avenue than the experts in every other country?

Deeper Blue

hollypink wrote: »

It just seems baffling to me that the English CMO is backing the lifting of restrictions on 19th July and is "cautiously optimistic" over lifting lock down. And most of Europe seem well ahead of Ireland with relaxing restrictions. But NPHET and CMO are extremely pessimistic about the delta variant and predicting a fourth wave in Europe. I can understand variations in interpretations of data and modelling but to have such opposing views seems bizarre.

I'm going to guess that our experts are wrong.

DarkJager21

Fairly easy to spot the PUP and WFH crowds in this thread.

beaz2018

MadYaker wrote: »

I guess if you have no understanding of what's actually happening then you would think that, but sure you've been utterly clueless since day one so it's not surprising at all, it's funny at this stage.

Standard response. Call people clueless without addressing the point being made.

beaz2018

DarkJager21 wrote: »

Fairly easy to spot the PUP and WFH crowds in this thread.

The WFH middle class love this. So long as someone else is willing to bring them their takeaway, they are happy enough. Probably still signing off their emails with stay safe.

CruelSummer

PowerToWait wrote: »

Difficult to believe people who can use internet enabled devices could still post this sort of shîte with a straight face, yet here we are.

In fairness to you though, you’ve been consistent in your abject failing to understand the point of what you call “lockdown”.

But you get lots of ‘thanks’, so that’s nice.

You would wonder how people with ‘internet’ as you state can swallow the ‘hurricane’ storyline from Donnelly & NPHET this week. It’s so full of contradictions it’s almost comical.
Do vaccines work? According to Prof Philip Nolan, 95% efficacy has a different meaning to NPHET and Ireland as the entire rest of the world, including Pfizer themselves who manufactured the vaccine. I hope Prof Nolan is on the phone to all EU 27 member states, the U.K., the US & indeed Pfizer themselves re his newfound discovery & his new definition of efficacy. It’s not like he didn’t have a basic understanding of it & then proceeded to base a hugely important modelling scenario on his misunderstanding of the term. Has any journalist called him out on this yet?

Cillian deGascun today - a more transmissible less severe covid is actually worse than the original…despite millions being vaccinated with vaccines that work against Delta. How can people swallow this?

I wonder how those ‘spoiled brats’ are doing on the PUP wasting billions of taxpayers money when they could have been at work next week. Or business owners that spent years building up their trade.
We’ve NPHET out blaming a pub in Waterford for an outbreak- surprise surprise. Paddy doesn’t get to socialise, have fun or enjoy summer. Not under Tony the Great.

MerlinSouthDub

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Funny our modelling expert told Donnelly it would be 1 per 1000 infections

Didn’t we have it as 3 per 1000? I thought the worst case scenario was 700,000 cases, 2100 deaths. If the latest estimate is 700 deaths, it changes things

Backstreet Moyes

MadYaker wrote: »

I guess if you have no understanding of what's actually happening then you would think that, but sure you've been utterly clueless since day one so it's not surprising at all, it's funny at this stage.

We have had the strictest lockdown in Europe for months, we are one of the worst performing countries despite being the strictest with restrictions and yet we need to stay locked down because of how it has us one of the worst countries in Europe.

Economy destroyed to be near the top of being the worst in Europe but we are the envy of Europe I guess.

It would be funny if we weren't destroying the future of the country and these actions will kill much more from waiting lists for hospitals.

MerlinSouthDub

Nuts102 wrote: »

We have had the strictest lockdown in Europe for months, we are one of the worst performing countries despite being the strictest with restrictions and yet we need to stay locked down because of how it has us one of the worst countries in Europe.

Economy destroyed to be near the top of being the worst in Europe but we are the envy of Europe I guess.

It would be funny if we weren't destroying the future of the country and these actions will kill much more from waiting lists for hospitals.

We’re not quite sure why we have higher infection rates than nearly everyone else in Europe. We have ruled out 2 possibilities though

- it’s definitely not antigen tests, they are completely useless and using them would make things worse. The fact that Germany uses them widely and has very low infection rates is evidence which we scoff at. We need to test them ourselves, what would the Robert Koch Institute (one of the world’s leading centres of infectious disease knowledge) know about infection control

- it’s definitely not because our restrictions have been too severe, leading to people going indoors and having their own fun. If the idiots had only followed our rules, it would have been fine. We reject the idea that humans are not robots, and like meeting other humans

Jim_Hodge

PowerToWait wrote: »

Difficult to believe people who can use internet enabled devices could still post this sort of shîte with a straight face, yet here we are.

In fairness to you though, you’ve been consistent in your abject failing to understand the point of what you call “lockdown”.

But you get lots of ‘thanks’, so that’s nice.

As a letter in today's paper said

The crescendo of calls to “disband Nphet” and attribute autocratic characteristics to what is merely an advisory body, simply because it will not tell the inconvenienced what they want to hear, is really something to behold.

beaz2018

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

As a letter in today's paper said

Ooooooo a letter in the paper. That will teach them.

Silentcorner

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

As a letter in today's paper said

They probably wrote the letter themselves, you know that right?

"The crescendo of calls to “disband Nphet” and attribute autocratic characteristics to what is merely an advisory body, simply because it will not tell the inconvenienced what they want to hear, is really something to behold."

So do you think Micheal Martin is insisting in imposing one the longest most severe lock downs in the developed world or do you think Nphet is?

And a tweet from TH about a crowd congregating on a Dublin street led to a Garda enforced clearance of that same street the following days was a figment of all our imagination was it?

mightyreds

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

As a letter in today's paper said

Lol brilliant 16 months unemployed, unable to pay bills is an inconvenience.

podgeandrodge

Zebra3 wrote: »

The data a few months ago was showing the median age of death with Covid was 82 or 83.

You’d wanna be off your rocker to be still panicking about it all at this stage of the vaccination rollout.

Look at the figures for annual deaths from air pollution.

If you wanna do a spot of “protecting the vulnerable”, there’s one to throw your lot in behind.

Are there no deaths being reported right now, or no deaths?

JRant

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

As a letter in today's paper said

They are supposed to be an advisory board but it seems the tail is wagging the dog lately. Even the language used by the CMO doesn't come across as someone just offering "advice".

And the root cause of all this?
The weakest government the State has ever seen. From Leo the Leak setting up this behemoth to MM afraid of his own shadow and Rip Van Ryan.

beaz2018

beaz2018 wrote: »

The WFH middle class love this. So long as someone else is willing to bring them their takeaway, they are happy enough. Probably still signing off their emails with stay safe.

“Let’s all try to ridicule anyone with a differing view, really makes us the internet alphas”

Zebra3

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Are there no deaths being reported right now, or no deaths?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/air-pollution-deaths-epa-1081490

1,300 per annum.

Yet no calls for lockdown to save those lives.

Yet we’re down to 9(?) deaths “with Covid” last month and for some reason it’s still a big deal.

Over 100 month dying on average cos of air pollution, and no calls for lockdown over that.

Beechwoodspark

"The crescendo of calls to “disband Nphet” and attribute autocratic characteristics to what is merely an advisory body, simply because it will not tell the inconvenienced what they want to hear, is really something to behold."


It really is ...

aziz

Over 100 month dying on average cos of air pollution, and no calls for lockdown over that

Don’t worry,once COVID is done,that’s next.

Greta is feeling left out

Backstreet Moyes

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

"The crescendo of calls to “disband Nphet” and attribute autocratic characteristics to what is merely an advisory body, simply because it will not tell the inconvenienced what they want to hear, is really something to behold."


It really is ...

We are the most restricted country in Europe so tell me what advantages have we over the rest of Europe?

We must be the leaders of something if Nphet are doing a good job?

celt262

aziz wrote: »

Over 100 month dying on average cos of air pollution, and no calls for lockdown over that

Don’t worry,once COVID is done,that’s next.

Greta is feeling left out

What do you want done we would be all dead if there was no air.

aziz

celt262 wrote: »

What do you want done we would be all dead if there was no air.

Really ?,never knew that,well it’s back under the bed for me until it’s safe

Zebra3

celt262 wrote: »

What do you want done we would be all dead if there was no air.

We’d be all dead if there was no oxygen in the air.