Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Varadkar out today speaking in riddles. "Dark Clouds on the horizon"

Call it today ffs. We all know what he is inplying. It is completely unfair on small businesses preparing to reopen and pissing the wider public off.

Kite flying at its most obvious.

Hurrache

zackory wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with what was quoted in that twitter post.

What aspects of what he said do you disagree with?

I never said I agrees or disagreed with anything in that clip, I commented on the fact that someone said this guy seems ok.

It does appear that he was a new found love for freedom and people being allowed make their own choices though, but it still may not be applicable to women.

suicide_circus

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/delta-variant-rise-in-cases-dark-cloud-on-horizon-for-irelands-reopening-varadkar-40572220.html

Dark clouds lads, dark clouds...

Hurrache

Don't be upsetting yourself lads, you'll get the fear of the scare.

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/delta-variant-rise-in-cases-dark-cloud-on-horizon-for-irelands-reopening-varadkar-40572220.html

Dark clouds lads, dark clouds...

It's a ridiculous metaphor to be using as things have been looking up. Absolute scaremongering. Must be getting a kick from it.

seamus

Leo is just plagiarising what Tony Holohan said in May; https://www.thejournal.ie/indian-variant-concerns-5444060-May2021/ just before the June reopening was famously pushed back. Oh, no, wait, that never happened.

The dark clouds are a reference to the fact that there are always uncertainties that can scupper your plans.

Don't chicken licken yourself into a frenzy over it.

DellyBelly

suicide_circus wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/delta-variant-rise-in-cases-dark-cloud-on-horizon-for-irelands-reopening-varadkar-40572220.html

Dark clouds lads, dark clouds...

Hopefully this isn't the case and we reopen as planned. However the next 2 weeks are crucial regarding the Delta virus and whether it takes hold or not..

dominatinMC

growleaves wrote: »

There is no ambiguity. He was asked whether there would be a lockdown this winter and the answer was a variation of 'maybe'. He even provided the rationale for a winter lockdown ('emerging variants').

You said that people on this thread were the only people thinking there might be a lockdown this winter. Martin and Varadkar have floated the possibility with their statements about might-maybe-can't rule it out, even if they spoke in politicese rather being frank.

Sometimes I don't know why I bother

Here is exactly what he said;
Martin replied: “I can never be definitive about that in terms of how this pandemic evolves.
Where is the 'maybe' in that? Or the 'real possibility' which you attributed to him earlier? You are just proving my point. You are interpreting a politicians sitting-on-the-fence answer and drawing your own conclusions to suit your narrative. He said he can 'never be definitive'. Very few (if any) politicians are going to bombastically declare that we won't have any further waves/lockdowns/etc. as they have all been burnt by Covid before and don't want to be caught out again if the worst case scenario transpires which I believe to be very, very unlikely.


There is always the possibility of another lockdown - if there is a vaccine-resistant variant or something like that. However, the probability at this point in time is miniscule. You seem to be conflating possibility with probability.

Scuid Mhór

Seems quite likely to me that the reopening will be pushed back by four to eight weeks to allow for the rest of the adult population to get their first doses in an effort to thwart the imminent impact of the delta variant.

TomSweeney

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0623/1230871-india-delta-plus/



"Concern over new 'Delta plus' variant"

****ing farcical at this stage ... could literally save the headline and re run it in 4 weeks time "Concern over new Delta plus plus plus variant" ...

Silentcorner

This thing is increasing in transmissibility ...it will penetrate walls by Winter!!

Gael23

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Seems quite likely to me that the reopening will be pushed back by four to eight weeks to allow for the rest of the adult population to get their first doses in an effort to thwart the imminent impact of the delta variant.

Then people will just book foreign holidays.
Simple

km79

Leo "Minister Varadkar said the Government would be focusing on four particular points of interest - case and hospital numbers, vaccination and variant rates."

Sure if the first two numbers are low what ****in difference does variant rates make then as they are not translating into cases or hospitalizations?????? ICU numbers no longer fit the narrative either it seems. They are all out today trying to soften us up for the inevitable delay. Get ready for an "outdoor autumn " everyone

TomSweeney

https://english.elpais.com/spain/2021-06-23/the-risks-of-ending-outdoor-masking-in-spain.html

Here is the media shilling for the extension of the mask outdoor rule, acting like it is a risky move ...


Truly despicable people.

Hurrache

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/spain/2021-06-23/the-risks-of-ending-outdoor-masking-in-spain.html

Here is the media shilling for the extension of the mask outdoor rule, acting like it is a risky move ...


Truly despicable people.

Your increasingly getting more hysterical. It's like a modern version of the red scare.

tiredblondie

Quick question someone may be able to help with!
I registered under my marriage name but i haven't actually changed my passport or drivers license into my marriage name!!
For ID, will explanation be sufficient?
Also, when it comes to travel, will it also pose a problem?
I wonder if they could change it to my maiden name in the vaccine centre?

Tried to register again under my maiden name and used a different email address but it's not sending me the confirmation link presumably because it is seeing that the mobile number is used already

VinLieger

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Seems quite likely to me that the reopening will be pushed back by four to eight weeks to allow for the rest of the adult population to get their first doses in an effort to thwart the imminent impact of the delta variant.

What impact? In the UK they have seen no rise in hospitalisations

growleaves

dominatinMC wrote: »

Sometimes I don't know why I bother

Here is exactly what he said;
Martin replied: “I can never be definitive about that in terms of how this pandemic evolves.
Where is the 'maybe' in that? Or the 'real possibility' which you attributed to him earlier? You are just proving my point. You are interpreting a politicians sitting-on-the-fence answer and drawing your own conclusions to suit your narrative. He said he can 'never be definitive'. Very few (if any) politicians are going to bombastically declare that we won't have any further waves/lockdowns/etc. as they have all been burnt by Covid before and don't want to be caught out again if the worst case scenario transpires which I believe to be very, very unlikely.


There is always the possibility of another lockdown - if there is a vaccine-resistant variant or something like that. However, the probability at this point in time is miniscule. You seem to be conflating possibility with probability.

I don't that agree it is miniscule. Lockdowns are a political phenomenon.

We've had three hair-trigger lockdowns and two quasi-reopenings. We have yet to fully emerge from restrictions since March 2020.

So far the Government are extremely reluctant to allow an open society under any circumstances. The almost worshipful attitude taken towards Pfizer does not fill me confidence. Vaccines cannot end restrictions, only governments can.

The vaccines are only good enough if so-and-so official says they are. What will they say this winter remains to be seen. Anyway we'll soon see.

Leftwaffe

This is all just disheartening. I can't understand it. I hope people take to the streets over this. I'd be willing to. Our leadership is just a complete joke.

Me too. This scare mongering has to stop. Enough is enough. Shame on our government if they keep this s**tshow going.

gozunda

VinLieger wrote: »

What impact? In the UK they have seen no rise in hospitalisations

Are you sure about that?

Are covid-19 hospital admissions increasing?

Yes. The number of new cases of covid-19 has been rising in the UK for the past few weeks, and admissions of patients to hospital are following suit. As of 9 June the number of people in hospital each day with covid-19 exceeded 1000, after having fallen to the hundreds in the middle of May after the previous wave.1

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513


Whether the UK will see a significant rise in hospitalisations is another discussion.

TomSweeney

Hurrache wrote: »

Your increasingly getting more hysterical. It's like a modern version of the red scare.

You're probably right, for me own mental health im taking a break from here , see you all in a week ...

VinLieger

gozunda wrote: »

Are you sure about that?




https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513


Whether the UK will see a significant rise in hospitalisations is another discussion.

Excuse me, they have seen a negligible rise in cases, definitely nothing like would have been expected 6 months ago with the same infection numbers.

dominatinMC

growleaves wrote: »

I don't that agree it is miniscule. Lockdowns are a political phenomenon.

We've had three hair-trigger lockdowns and two quasi-reopenings. We have yet to fully emerge from restrictions since March 2020.

So far the Government are extremely reluctant to allow an open society under any circumstances. The almost worshipful attitude taken towards Pfizer does not fill me confidence. Vaccines cannot end restrictions, only governments can.

The vaccines are only good enough if so-and-so official says they are. What will they say this winter remains to be seen. Anyway we'll soon see.

So now that we have established that MM and Leo did not say what you claimed they did, we are back to baseless speculation.

Look I agree that the government are acting in an ultra-conservative manner, and I think we should be opening quicker than we are. But I don't see any compelling evidence for the narrative which persists on this thread of a Winter lockdown. And at that, I'll leave it be, because it is clear that you have convinced yourself there will be one and won't be persuaded otherwise.

growleaves

dominatinMC wrote: »

So now that we have established that MM and Leo did not say what you claimed they did, we are back to baseless speculation.

I said that they said it was a possibility. Which is also how you characterised it.

Then you chimed in to say that its a miniscule possibility and vaccines practically guarantee freedom.

Where has any prominent politicians made the claims made by restrictions supporters on this thread? Yes raind, Boggles and gozunda have told us that vaccines mean the end of lockdown. And where has any prominent person in Irish life said that? You're just assuming that and demanding evidence to the contrary.

gozunda

VinLieger wrote: »

Excuse me, they have seen a negligible rise in cases, definitely nothing like would have been expected 6 months ago with the same infection numbers.

You're excused.

I was replying to your comment which stated

VinLieger wrote:

In the UK they have seen no  rise in hospitalisations

Yes the fact is - there has been a rise as detailed in the bmj article - you may have noted I queried whether any ongoing increases will be significant.

*Again

Are covid-19 hospital admissions increasing?

The number of new cases of covid-19 has been rising in the UK for the past few weeks, and admissions of patients to hospital are following suit. As of 9 June the number of people in hospital each day with covid-19 exceeded 1000, after having fallen to the hundreds in the middle of May after the previous wave.1

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513

growleaves

Look I agree that the government are acting in an ultra-conservative manner, and I think we should be opening quicker than we are. But I don't see any compelling evidence for the narrative which persists on this thread of a Winter lockdown. And at that, I'll leave it be, because it is clear that you have convinced yourself there will be one and won't be persuaded otherwise.

I am using my own intuition to interpret statements yes. I'm not claiming there will definitely be another lockdown. I just don't consider it extremely unlikely. Anyway its out of my hands. I'm going to enjoy this summer either way.

MOR316

dominatinMC wrote: »

So now that we have established that MM and Leo did not say what you claimed they did, we are back to baseless speculation.

Look I agree that the government are acting in an ultra-conservative manner, and I think we should be opening quicker than we are. But I don't see any compelling evidence for the narrative which persists on this thread of a Winter lockdown. And at that, I'll leave it be, because it is clear that you have convinced yourself there will be one and won't be persuaded otherwise.

NPHET and Ronan Glynn said back in April and May that they are not ruling out further lockdowns but, they don't want to do that.

Essentially, it was suggested as a possibility by the health authorities. Whether it happens or not, is anyone's guess.

gozunda

Leftwaffe wrote: »

This is all just disheartening. I can't understand it. I hope people take to the streets over this. I'd be willing to. Our leadership is just a complete joke.

Ah yes - "the streets" - we've had various factions calling for taking to the streets from March 2020. We've seen how that's went.

As to our leadership. It's been more or less whats its always been.

One thing I do have to give them and leaving aside the criticism. We've achieved one of the lowest case and death rates when we look at our nearest European neighbours and our vaccination programme is going full sail.

Personally I'm OK with not flinging the baby out with the bathwater completely until we have reached our vaccination targets. And yes I understand not everyone sees that as a priority. But I dont see any restrictions being reinpossed with our current progress.

OwenM

gozunda wrote: »

You're excused.

I was replying to your comment which stated



Yes the fact is - there has been a rise as detailed in the bmj article - you may have noted I queried whether any ongoing increases will be significant.

*Again




https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1513

Admissions to hospital are up, but the numbers in hospital haven;t increase proportionally, looks like they are being discharged quickly?