Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

JP100

namloc1980 wrote: »

Social distancing, pods and other measures to remain in our schools next academic year also. Poor kids

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It's an acknowledgement that cases and outbreaks in schools are a significant variable in the overall numbers, hence the continuation of such measures. NPHET and the government like to try and downplay what has been happening in schools but the full continuation of the actual current school measures tells us more about the actual reality in schools.

gozunda

KrustyUCC wrote: »

UK rolled back on the final reopening of society

They have been able to serve indoor in restaurants since May 17th so we were two months behind them

Well no they haven't ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52530518

Afaik they are about two months ahead of us in vaccinations

Again I believe the original topic was on travel.

PTH2009

I told ye

****ing shams we have running this country who are hiding behind NPHET and the science

Are we waiting for England to bite and then we will follow suite ?

gozunda

MOH wrote: »

Eh, no. You do know inverted commas have more than one usage?
I referred to Nolan continuing his "schools are perfectly safe" lie. I included it in inverted commas along the lines of "nothing to see here" - or as you should have used for "my friend".
If I was attributing it as a direct quote to Nolan, I would have, and/or provided a source for it.
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Well yes frankly. I did take it as a direct quote from the inverted commas used tbf. And that also infered from the point you made saying he lied.

MOH wrote:

A bit like when Philip Nolan continued his "schools are perfectly safe" lie ...

But ok if that was not was meant.

km79

namloc1980 wrote: »

Social distancing, pods and other measures to remain in our schools next academic year also. Poor kids

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At least schools have a plan in place
Universities have abandoned their students
NUIG sent out their proposed calendar a few weeks ago.
They plan on holding their first year induction week the last week in august
Leaving Cert results won’t be out till the Friday. CAO offers the middle of the following week.
That’s how much thought they have put into it

seamus

namloc1980 wrote: »

Social distancing, pods and other measures to remain in our schools next academic year also. Poor kids

It's no biggie. The measures have had no major impact on kids at primary level anyway, and the secondary kids don't seem too fussed either. Extracurricular stuff has suffered a but, but they do seem to be working around it.

From where we are now, it's a reasonable thing to flag up, given that few if any kids will be vaccinated at that point.

We also have to remember what a shambles the DoE are anyway, and how slow to change. Despite being able to work on reopening plans since April 2020, they only presented reopening protocols to schools a couple of weeks before they reopened, and even at that left a lot of it up to the individual schools.

So I'd expect a similar sh1tshow next year. We'll be close to herd immunity, cases in double figures and the DoE will still be pushing full level 5 covid protocols for all schools because they weren't bothered doing any work over the summer.

castletownman

Am I right in saying that 20% of cases at the minute are of the Delta variant? When we are leveling off at fewer than 300 cases a day. And with ICU figures and hospital admissions at their lowest in months, and with of course the vaccination programme in full flow.

Curse to god, they really are spineless leaders.

seamus

castletownman wrote: »

Curse to god, they really are spineless leaders.

Why? Has something changed?

dominatinMC

TomSweeney wrote: »

It's depressing, how are they going to justify lockdown this winter when almost 100% adults will be vaccinated, what is the f*cking point n me even going for my 2nd dose ???

TomSweeney wrote: »

If you can't see whats happening right in front of you , nothing I can really do.


They are already laying the ground work for extending restrictions due to the new scariants.


What do you think it will be like in Winter when this really kicks into season ??

facehugger99 wrote: »

The ease with which fascism can take root in a country is very troubling and make no mistake, this is fascism pure and simple.

We are not far behind them. Widespread removal of civil liberties and democratic freedoms so that some Covid Hysteria-junkies can feel 'safe'.

zackory wrote: »

If we kick back to July 19th for indoor from July 5th then a few weeks later schools will be getting ready to go back then

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

Our schools are our priority so hospitality can wait.

Look in the mirror and ask yourself how many times have you been told "The next 2 weeks are crucial" and lapped it up each and every time?

:D:D:D
Jesus Christ, what have I just read. Lads, the only people talking about lockdowns next Winter are people on this thread - which I very rarely visit for that very reason. Ye seem to have convinced yourselves that it is going to happen, based on past experiences - which were temporary during an emergency. Past precedence does not equate to future occurrences. Yet ye pick up on any dubious, ambiguous news article where a politician does what politicians do, by not giving a straight answer and definitively rule out lockdowns.


Maybe if ye stepped away from this thread and stopped fantasizing about Winter lockdowns, and think about things logically, ye might see that the future is bright. By September we will have 70-80% of the population vaccinated with highly effective vaccines - which work against all known variants. Now that is the information we have to hand at the moment. Without delving into the realm of speculation, hyperbole, and hypothetical, provided that remains the case in September, give me one reason for a lockdown?

hynesie08

seamus wrote: »

Why? Has something changed?

Yes, 8 days before the cabinet meeting, they refuse to tell us what's happening at the meeting that hasn't happened yet.

Or something.

Klonker

gozunda wrote: »

I believe the comment referred to travel not "indoor dining" but no matter.

Question. Are they having "serious discussions" about delaying opening indoor dining?

Reading the current news - I'd reckon quite a few countries are keeping an eye on developments and ottomh the UK has already rolled back on its relaxation of restrictions

As to your "honest question". I think I would want to know at what is happening next week as to scenario of Nphet advising the government against "indoor hospitality" before agreeing or disagreeing with anything.

But no I don't always agree with their findings. But then I know I don't have the information or indeed level of expertise that they do.

Completely agree the 19th of July is years away. I just don't see it that date not been realistic tbf

So whatever NPHET advice you'll agree with and you've no opinion of your own, gothca. Just what I suspected all long.

VinLieger

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yes, 8 days before the cabinet meeting, they refuse to tell us what's happening at the meeting that hasn't happened yet.

Or something.

And once again businesses are screwed, restarting food services is not like flicking a light switch on and off which the government over a year later still has failed to comprehend.

growleaves

dominatinMC wrote: »

:D:D:D
Jesus Christ, what have I just read. Lads, the only people talking about lockdowns next Winter are people on this thread - which I very rarely visit for that very reason. Ye seem to have convinced yourselves that it is going to happen, based on past experiences - which were temporary during an emergency. Past precedence does not equate to future occurrences. Yet ye pick up on any dubious, ambiguous news article where a politician does what politicians do, by not giving a straight answer and definitively rule out lockdowns.


Maybe if ye stepped away from this thread and stopped fantasizing about Winter lockdowns, and think about things logically, ye might see that the future is bright. By September we will have 70-80% of the population vaccinated with highly effective vaccines - which work against all known variants. Now that is the information we have to hand at the moment. Without delving into the realm of speculation, hyperbole, and hypothetical, provided that remains the case in September, give me one reason for a lockdown?

As I've said in multiple posts over the last six months - and will continue to say, though feel free to pretend you haven't read it or don't understand what's being said - Martin and Varadkar stated there is a real possibility of a lockdown in winter 2021-22.

They haven't walked back these statements and when they made them the vaccination schedule for next winter was the same as it is now.

Therefore I believe that since the Taoiseach and Tanasite have already flagged the possibility of a winter lockdown there is a possibility of a winter lockdown.

Whatsisname

seamus wrote: »

It's no biggie. The measures have had no major impact on kids at primary level anyway, and the secondary kids don't seem too fussed either. Extracurricular stuff has suffered a but, but they do seem to be working around it.

From where we are now, it's a reasonable thing to flag up, given that few if any kids will be vaccinated at that point.

We also have to remember what a shambles the DoE are anyway, and how slow to change. Despite being able to work on reopening plans since April 2020, they only presented reopening protocols to schools a couple of weeks before they reopened, and even at that left a lot of it up to the individual schools.

So I'd expect a similar sh1tshow next year. We'll be close to herd immunity, cases in double figures and the DoE will still be pushing full level 5 covid protocols for all schools because they weren't bothered doing any work over the summer.

No biggie. Sure kids having panic attacks at the age of 5 and self harming by the age of 8 is completely normal. These kids won't grow up with any childhood trauma at all.

Five-year-olds are suffering panic attacks about meeting their friends, NHS leaders have said, amid warnings 1.5 million children will need mental health treatment in the wake of repeated lockdowns.

Children as young as eight are self-harming amid an unprecedented mental health crisis fuelled by the stress of lockdown, a consultant has said. Staff at Bradford Royal Infirmary are regularly seeing youngsters who have attempted suicide or taken overdoses.

hynesie08

VinLieger wrote: »

And once again businesses are screwed, restarting food services is not like flicking a light switch on and off which the government over a year later still has failed to comprehend.

See, that's a reasonable thing to be angry about, I know several publicans who've been sorting out stock and rosters and my heart would break for them if it gets delayed again.

But getting annoyed that you're not getting a definitive answer a week out (and it'll be the same one's complaining about leaks)

Doom and gloomers looking for outrage.

Chris_5339762

namloc1980 wrote: »

Social distancing, pods and other measures to remain in our schools next academic year also. Poor kids

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In that twitter image there what possible good is that sheet of PVC doing?

Silentcorner

Whatsisname wrote: »

No biggie. Sure kids having panic attacks at the age of 5 and self harming by the age of 8 is completely normal. These kids won't grow up with any childhood trauma at all.

Five-year-olds are suffering panic attacks about meeting their friends, NHS leaders have said, amid warnings 1.5 million children will need mental health treatment in the wake of repeated lockdowns.

Children as young as eight are self-harming amid an unprecedented mental health crisis fuelled by the stress of lockdown, a consultant has said. Staff at Bradford Royal Infirmary are regularly seeing youngsters who have attempted suicide or taken overdoses.

Could have been a lot worse, they could have caught covid....and possibly passed it onto their grannies....who only had a 95% chance of surviving it!!!

VinLieger

hynesie08 wrote: »

See, that's a reasonable thing to be angry about, I know several publicans who've been sorting out stock and rosters and my heart would break for them if it gets delayed again.

But getting annoyed that you're not getting a definitive answer a week out (and it'll be the same one's complaining about leaks)

Doom and gloomers looking for outrage.

So unless im directly affected by something im not allowed be angry?

Im angry for the publicans and restaurant owners as well as all their employees and then all their vendors who are getting killed by this this endless indecision and backtracking which is skullfvcking our economy again and again. Itas time to just open the cases might rise but we shouldnt watching them all we need to care about is hospitalizations.

MOH

gozunda wrote: »

Well yes frankly. I did take it as a direct quote from the inverted commas used tbf. And that also infered from the point you made saying he lied.



But ok.

Not sure why you felt the need to include the second quote when I'd already repeated the claim in the first bit you quoted. You seem to be struggling a bit with quotes and quotation marks in general. This might help.

But I'll break it down for you just in case.
- There have been various statements by various officials at various times that schools have not contributed to the spread of covid
- Collectively, those statements are trying to push a message. That message is that schools are not a danger. It's perfectly valid to sceptically refer to this as the "schools are perfectly safe" message. Quote marks don't always indicate a direct quote.
- This is not true. That's clear both from the increase in numbers at times when the only significant thing that had changed was the reopening of schools, and from the subsequent statements from the same people attempting to deflect or excuse this fact
- Something that is not true is a lie.
- The message being pushed is now the "schools are perfectly safe" lie.
- Nolan is the person I've seen making the most statements pushing this message/lie. He's actually the only one I've seen relevant quotes from in recent months. Hence referring to it as "his"
- Thus it's accurate to attribute the ongoing pushing of this lie to him by referring to Nolan continuing his "schools are perfectly safe" lie.

dominatinMC

growleaves wrote: »

As I've said in multiple posts over the last six months - and will continue to say, though feel free to pretend you haven't read it or don't understand what's being said - Martin and Varadkar stated there is a real possibility of a lockdown in winter 2021-22.

They haven't walked back these statements and when they made them the vaccination schedule for next winter was the same as it is now.

Therefore I believe that since the Taoiseach and Tanasite have already flagged the possibility of a winter lockdown there is a possibility of a winter lockdown.

Can you provide a link/source with these exact comments?

walus

Silentcorner wrote: »

Could have been a lot worse, they could have caught covid....and possibly passed it onto their grannies....who only had a 95% chance of surviving it!!!

That is an outrageous thing to say!
98% chance is more like it.
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hynesie08

VinLieger wrote: »

So unless im directly affected by something im not allowed be angry?

Im angry for the publicans and restaurant owners as well as all their employees and then all their vendors who are getting killed by this this endless indecision and backtracking which is skullfvcking our economy again and again. Itas time to just open the cases might rise but we shouldnt watching them all we need to care about is hospitalizations.

Me too, it's why I agreed with you.......

rob316

Sure who is even surprised? Hospital numbers non exsistent and they have still been pushing this Delta variant stuff.
You'll be told though your a conspiracy theorist, a tin foil hatter etc. No I'm just a ****ing realist, who can read through the bull****.

Sofa King Great

We have been here lots of times before. We have seen the kites being flown and know what is happening.

They are softening us up for a delay in the next phase of opening up.

VinLieger

hynesie08 wrote: »

Me too, it's why I agreed with you.......

And backtracked in the same post.....

hynesie08

VinLieger wrote: »

And backtracked in the same post.....

Interesting take. So do you think Stephen Donnelly should have given a definitive answer to what is going to happen at a meeting that hasn't happened yet?

Silentcorner

hynesie08 wrote: »

Interesting take. So do you think Stephen Donnelly should have given a definitive answer to what is going to happen at a meeting that hasn't happened yet?

Or maybe we all know that Donnelly will do as he is told....which is why he can't articulate confidence in what will happen in a few days!

Multipass

seamus wrote: »

It's why they have two of the lowest body counts in the world.

It's an approach they can afford to take.

And as heartless as it can seem at times, it's when you make exceptions that the infection manages to get a foothold in the country.

Such an approach would be insane for us at our current vaccination levels, but Oz and NZ are nowhere near protected, so they have to continue like it's June 2020, regardless of the vaccination or PCR status of the person travelling.

Many, many, many, many people across the world have had family die and no way to go back and see them. It's a sh1t state of affairs, but it's a pandemic. Sob stories like this one are no justification for making exceptions. Their circumstances are heart breaking, but not special.

The same can be said of Covid deaths, even more so given the demographic mainly affected.

CruelSummer

seamus wrote: »

It's no biggie. The measures have had no major impact on kids at primary level anyway, and the secondary kids don't seem too fussed either. Extracurricular stuff has suffered a but, but they do seem to be working around it.

From where we are now, it's a reasonable thing to flag up, given that few if any kids will be vaccinated at that point.

We also have to remember what a shambles the DoE are anyway, and how slow to change. Despite being able to work on reopening plans since April 2020, they only presented reopening protocols to schools a couple of weeks before they reopened, and even at that left a lot of it up to the individual schools.

So I'd expect a similar sh1tshow next year. We'll be close to herd immunity, cases in double figures and the DoE will still be pushing full level 5 covid protocols for all schools because they weren't bothered doing any work over the summer.

I’m sorry but this post is completely misrepresenting the effects lockdown and Covid have had on children.

Perhaps you should drop by a school & tell the children who lost access to eduction it’s no biggie. Or the children I’ve witnessed coming back to school in spring much heavier & overweight. No sports to play, no school to keep their poor backgrounds in check. Or the children who told me it was ‘terrible’ being away from school - that they felt lost, alone and scared. Their parents were stressed & anecdotally hitting the wine, etc., at a pretty liberal rate.
Or better still perhaps you should look at the results of standardised tests in schools & see if they’ve fallen since pre Covid.

growleaves

dominatinMC wrote: »

Can you provide a link/source with these exact comments?

I can't find the comments from Varadkar just now but here is Martin from a while back:

Taoiseach Michéal Martin says Ireland could face another lockdown by winter

Appearing on Virgin Media’s The Tonight Show, the Taoiseach was asked: “Are you suggesting that you would be confident that once the vaccination programme gets to a certain point that next winter we’re not going to have a fourth wave and have to go into lockdown again?”

Martin replied: “I can never be definitive about that in terms of how this pandemic evolves.

"It might be of interest to note that the President of the Commission was in touch with me over a fortnight ago and they look forward to a situation where we will have a faster readjustment of vaccines, particularly the mRNA vaccines to deal with any emerging variants in the future."

Yes it is worded ambivalently but the political significance of it should not be missed. They can't or won't rule out another lockdown this winter therefore it is ruled in.