Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

They are the only 3 that resigned or had their ability to practice suspended AFAIK.

You are the one that made the claim not me.

So this mystery doctor doesn't exist does he?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40061159.html

This is the guy.

He was the chap who on local radio correctly predicted the winter surge.

In the above article he also dares to mention a therapeutic, which, officially at least, are not to be discussed...and HSE guidelines all of a sudden declared it to be a dangerous drug....hmmmmm!!!

Silentcorner

So we have a doctor claiming that between 48,000 - 480,000 people are suffering as a direct result of lock downs.

It is certainly believable given the removal of all social outlets, and in many cases the removal of the ability to work.

We have a health waiting list approaching 1,000,000 - a crisis in and of itself that we have to face.

And we are still crawling at snails pace with our long awaited re opening!!!

It's no wonder the politicians are starting to publicly speak up more and more....this has gone far enough!

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40061159.html

This is the guy.

He was the chap who on local radio correctly predicted the winter surge.

In the above article he also dares to mention a therapeutic, which, officially at least, are not to be discussed...and HSE guidelines all of a sudden declared it to be a dangerous drug....hmmmmm!!!

That's the anti vax lad that wandered by "accident" into the anti vax rally and gave a speech.

quelle surprise.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

So we have a doctor claiming that between 48,000 - 480,000 people are suffering as a direct result of lock downs.

Don't think he is technically a doctor anymore.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

That's the anti vax lad that wandered by "accident" into the anti vax rally and gave a speech.

quelle surprise.

He also correctly predicted the winter surge.

By the way, a person might not understand why that is important.

We are led to believe that level 5 lock downs are what drives the numbers downs, when the reality is, the numbers go down anyway.

It also begs the question, why have we been imposed with severe restrictions months after that surge ends....abundance of caution....that is actually creating a more severe health crisis.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Don't think he is technically a doctor anymore.

Do you think the severe restrictions have caused an increase in lock down related issues?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

He also correctly predicted the winter surge.
.

Link?

Also I'm pretty sure everyone predicted a surge when we relaxed restrictions.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Do you think the severe restrictions have caused an increase in lock down related issues?

I believe lots of things.

But relevant to the courts decision, I believe it right that courts took away that dangerous fúcking clowns license.

What do you think yourself?

Why are you championing anti vax / herd immunity lunatics?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

I believe lots of things.

But relevant to the courts decision, I believe it right that courts took away that dangerous fúcking clowns license.

What do you think yourself?

Why are you championing anti vax / herd immunity lunatics?

Do you think that this corona virus is the first corona virus to hit the Irish people?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Do you think that this corona virus is the first corona virus to hit the Irish people?

Be honest, you don't like vaccines do you?

charlie14

charlie14 wrote: »

So short version. No you do not have a mathematical formula for calculating IFR.
Not that it matters. It never had, nor never will, have any practical use in regards to this pandemic.

Studies are centring on about 0.6%

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Be honest, you don't like vaccines do you?

Not at all, I'll be taking a vaccine as soon as I can.

I do note however, the mysterious absence of any recognized therapeutics....

Now, do you believe that this is the first corona virus to ever rip through the Irish people? It's a simple question.

MOH

Deleted User wrote: »

Studies are centring on about 0.6%

Linkable studies?

Sobit1964

Deleted User wrote: »

Studies are centring on about 0.6%

Thanks - ever reliable with the nuggets of information.

Thats across all ages and conditions?

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Studies are centring on about 0.6%

And a high percentage of those already had serious health complications.

It's a lot less dangerous than we were initially led to believe....when we went into lock down in March of 2020.

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

Studies are centring on about 0.6%

My problem with IFR, other than what practical use it has, is that anywhere I have seen assumed infection rates being used, they have been found wanting.
Be that Ionaniddis`s 5,000% - 8,500% based on his California study or that of Manaus of 50% based on antibody blood tests.
It just comes across as guesswork on infection rates that has been used by some attempting to play down the virus.

Silentcorner

charlie14 wrote: »

It just comes across as guesswork on infection rates that has been used by some attempting to play down the virus.

It is all guesswork on infection rates, nobody in their right mind believes the state (or any state) has managed to log every single case, that is absurd.

Just as absurd as counting as cases people who don't even register so much as a sniffle...but can be used as a tool to play up the virus.

Sobit1964

charlie14 wrote: »

My problem with IFR, other than what practical use it has, is that anywhere I have seen assumed infection rates being used, they have been found wanting.
Be that Ionaniddis`s 5,000% - 8,500% based on his California study or that of Manaus of 50% based on antibody blood tests.
It just comes across as guesswork on infection rates that has been used by some attempting to play down the virus.

If dividing two numbers which have demonstrably been superseded, gives you a blanket to help you fall asleep at night - then sweet dreams.

Raind is using the big boy number, the same as the scientists and politicians are now using. Its time to move on from March/April 2020.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Not at all, I'll be taking a vaccine as soon as I can.

I do note however, the mysterious absence of any recognized therapeutics....

Now, do you believe that this is the first corona virus to ever rip through the Irish people? It's a simple question.

It’s almost as if miracle cures for viral infections have always been hard to come by

sporina

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

No. In cafes only 1 sugar is allowed per person, also no butter allowed on scones

huh?

seriously though - are they the same?

Captain_Crash

Irish Independence Day!

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/no-indoor-dining-in-pubs-and-restaurantsuntil-july-5-under-new-nphet-recommendations-40477522.html

KrustyUCC

NPHET recommendation no indoor dining in pubs, restaurants, cafes before 5th of July

I'd say the government will agree with that

Indoor dining in hotels getting go ahead June 2nd

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s almost as if miracle cures for viral infections have always been hard to come by

Maybe so....Raind...maybe so....

But that article that Boggles put up earlier has got me thinking...

Colm Henry said the following

"This is a novel coronavirus for which there is no cure or vaccination currently and against which our population have no immunity"...

Now, that jumped out at me as being questionable, if this isn't the first Corona Virus that has circulated through a population, and it isn't then...

We do have a degree of herd immunity...
What therapeutics have been used to treat patients of previous corona viruses?

Why are they useless against this one...what is different about this Corona Virus (that has a very low death rate) that only a vaccine is not just the cure but the only way out of lock downs....despite the nervousness from Officials about variants (of which there have been 4,000 documented so far)

The list of absurd elements we are meant to believe grows longer by the day!!!!

MOH

MOH wrote: »

Linkable studies?

One from Germany. There are many more

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.26.21250507v1

Ionnidas even has one at 0.25% with some questionable assumptions. Which is interesting given the number of regions that already well exceeded that as % of total population

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

One from Germany. There are many more

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.26.21250507v1

Ionnidas even has one at 0.25% with some questionable assumptions. Which is interesting given the number of regions that already well exceeded that as % of total population

I'd love to know what percentage of the population, on average, have serious health complications at any given time, given we know that a high percentage of Covid deaths are amongst those very people.

Also, we also know from our surging waiting lists(approaching 1 million), that percentage of people is going to increase fairly dramatically in the coming year or two.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Maybe so....Raind...maybe so....

But that article that Boggles put up earlier has got me thinking...

Colm Henry said the following

"This is a novel coronavirus for which there is no cure or vaccination currently and against which our population have no immunity"...

Now, that jumped out at me as being questionable, if this isn't the first Corona Virus that has circulated through a population, and it isn't then...

We do have a degree of herd immunity...
What therapeutics have been used to treat patients of previous corona viruses?

Why are they useless against this one...what is different about this Corona Virus (that has a very low death rate) that only a vaccine is not just the cure but the only way out of lock downs....despite the nervousness from Officials about variants (of which there have been 4,000 documented so far)

The list of absurd elements we are meant to believe grows longer by the day!!!!

What became known as Russian flu is thought by many to have been a coronavirus. It took 5 years to become endemic during which time millions died in the 1890s. It became endemic as most of the population had been exposed and retained a level of immunity. The virus is still in circulation, reinfecting people with mild symptoms as full immunity wanes. We all had it as children in all likelihood which is why it rarely causes the type of issues Covid does as we age. It is likely that all 4 endemic coronavirus started this way.

Jumping to the conclusion that one coronavirus is the same as another is like saying all mammals are the same species

Graham

KrustyUCC wrote: »

NPHET recommendation no indoor dining in pubs, restaurants, cafes before 5th of July

I'd say the government will agree with that

Indoor dining in hotels getting go ahead June 2nd

That's about as expected.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

I'd love to know what percentage of the population, on average, have serious health complications at any given time, given we know that a high percentage of Covid deaths are amongst those very people.

Also, we also know from our surging waiting lists(approaching 1 million), that percentage of people is going to increase fairly dramatically in the coming year or two.

So their deaths don’t matter?

Timmy O Toole

Graham wrote: »

That's about as expected.

We will have pubs throwing mattresses on the ground now to act as hotels like they acted as restaurants last year

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

What became known as Russian flu is thought by many to have been a coronavirus. It took 5 years to become endemic during which time millions died in the 1890s. It became endemic as most of the population had been exposed and retained a level of immunity. The virus is still in circulation, reinforcing people with mild symptoms as full immunity wanes. We all had it as children in all likelihood which is why it rarely causes the type of issues Covid does as we age. It is likely that all 4 endemic coronavirus started this way.

Jumping to the conclusion that one coronavirus is the same as another is like saying all mammals are the same species

I'm pretty sure there have been more than one Corona Virus, which does indicate the very strong possibility of a degree of herd immunity, does it not?

IT's not that I think they are all the same, it's that we've been infected by similar, all influenza viruses aren't the same, that much we know...so how did we treat the serious cases of previous Corona Viruses? And why can't we treat this one with those medicines?

There may well be rational explanations for that by the way...but I'll need a little more than what you just mentioned!