Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

What a boring take on another cliche from you.

I think you will find its an idiom not a cliche

KrustyUCC

Big shortfall in J&J vaccine numbers

the country was scheduled to receive 600,000 doses of the J&J vaccine by the end of June, but the best case scenario was that there would be 235,000 vaccines and a worst case scenario was that there would be 60,000.

I really hope this shortfall won't be used to push out the reopening of hospitality in July

VinLieger

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Big shortfall in J&J vaccine numbers

the country was scheduled to receive 600,000 doses of the J&J vaccine by the end of June, but the best case scenario was that there would be 235,000 vaccines and a worst case scenario was that there would be 60,000.

I really hope this shortfall won't be used to push out the reopening of hospitality in July

Currently its not looking like anyone under 40 will be getting J&J or Az so it hopefully wont stall things

charlie14

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Big shortfall in J&J vaccine numbers

the country was scheduled to receive 600,000 doses of the J&J vaccine by the end of June, but the best case scenario was that there would be 235,000 vaccines and a worst case scenario was that there would be 60,000.

I really hope this shortfall won't be used to push out the reopening of hospitality in July

Hopefully not, but with the restrictions on the age groups where J&J can be used it may not make a great deal of difference.

KrustyUCC

VinLieger wrote: »

Currently its not looking like anyone under 40 will be getting J&J or Az so it hopefully wont stall things

Hopefully not

Still every J&J is worth 2 Pfizer or Moderna to be replaced

charlie14

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Hopefully not

Still every J&J is worth 2 Pfizer or Moderna to be replaced

True, but I don`t know where we would even have used the original number of J&J vaccines if we did get them with the restrictions on their use.

brickster69

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Big shortfall in J&J vaccine numbers

the country was scheduled to receive 600,000 doses of the J&J vaccine by the end of June, but the best case scenario was that there would be 235,000 vaccines and a worst case scenario was that there would be 60,000.

I really hope this shortfall won't be used to push out the reopening of hospitality in July

Start a witch hunt against them and take them to court

brickster69

brickster69 wrote: »

Start a witch hunt against them and take them to court

Are all your posts Tory spin or defending AZ?

MOH

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Big shortfall in J&J vaccine numbers

the country was scheduled to receive 600,000 doses of the J&J vaccine by the end of June, but the best case scenario was that there would be 235,000 vaccines and a worst case scenario was that there would be 60,000.

I really hope this shortfall won't be used to push out the reopening of hospitality in July

It shouldn't, given the government have already been told twice they shouldn't be using these vaccines for anyone under 50. So this should already be factored into existing plans.

I have no doubt though that like everything else throughout the pandemic they'll spin this to cover up their own failings. And what passes for media in this country will just go along with it.

Silentcorner

charlie14 wrote: »

Not at all.
I have no problem with anyone who can give a coherent alternative to lockdown with data to back it up.
I do have a problem with grifters like Ionannidis and Giesecke who pushed their natural herd immunity rubbish who have been shown to be wrong, who have never held their hands up and admitted it, and with people who still peddle their absolute rubbish as if it ever was a viable alternative.

Ionannidis`s whole snake oil premise was based on infection rates equating to herd immunity. That if you took the number of confirmed case, multiplied by 50-85 that was the real level of numbers infected, and thus the number that had acquired immunity.

If he was anywhere near correct even at the lower level of 50 we would have reached herd immunity with 100,000 confirmed cases. 59,000 at the higher level of 85. We currently have 259,863 confirmed case and no herd immunity.
Neither has any country on the planet based on his "expertise". It was bunkum, still is, yet you are still on pushing this clown as someone who had a viable solution to lockdown.

I presume your inquiry about predicted death rates is in relation to infection fatality rates (IFR).
Another piece of mathematical nonsense similar to that of Ionannidis and Giesecke on acquired herd immunity that was used primarily by those attempting to downplay this virus.

So what is the death rate of this virus then?

CalamariFritti

Silentcorner wrote: »

So what is the death rate of this virus then?

I've seen charlie around for a long time, we all have. So I can answer that.

According to charlie the death rate is a full 2.1%. Because thats the percentage of the cumulative covid case number over the same cumulative covid deaths number in Ireland. And these are the only numbers that count cos they're 'official' and charlie likes to stick with the official numbers. Whether it makes any sense or not doesn't come into it for charlie.

charlie14

Silentcorner wrote: »

So what is the death rate of this virus then?

Pick any country you wish, take the number of Covid deaths, multiply by 100 and divide by the number of confirmed cases, and it will give you the case fatality rate (CFR). Currently in Ireland it is 1.9%. Worldwide 2.07%

If you give me a similar mathematical formula for the infection fatality rate (IFR) I can give you the percentage as well.
nock yourself out, but you are not going to find one. Similar to Ionaniddis`s natural herd immunity nonsense it is based on nothing other than guesswork.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Stop howling at the moon.

He didn't ever mention herd immunity....you just have to inject whatever nasty term you think undermines a point.

So it's not this fella you are hinging your whole theory to?

Doctor who called for ‘herd immunity’ steps down from Dublin Midlands Hospital board

Who is it so?

charlie14

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I've seen charlie around for a long time, we all have. So I can answer that.

According to charlie the death rate is a full 2.1%. Because thats the percentage of the cumulative covid case number over the same cumulative covid deaths number in Ireland. And these are the only numbers that count cos they're 'official' and charlie likes to stick with the official numbers. Whether it makes any sense or not doesn't come into it for charlie.

In all that time I cannot remember you, or indeed anyone else, who has put forward a mathematical formula for calculating IFR.
Why is that ?

Silentcorner

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I've seen charlie around for a long time, we all have. So I can answer that.

According to charlie the death rate is a full 2.1%. Because thats the percentage of the cumulative covid case number over the same cumulative covid deaths number in Ireland. And these are the only numbers that count cos they're 'official' and charlie likes to stick with the official numbers. Whether it makes any sense or not doesn't come into it for charlie.

So the fact that a high percentage of people who sadly pass away from this virus already had serious health issues doesn't even enter the thinking, or the fact that we have actually got no idea how many cases we or any country actually has had on account of the testing system, the asymptomatic numbers who were never tested....ya, that explains a lot actually.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

So it's not this fella you are hinging your whole theory to?

Doctor who called for ‘herd immunity’ steps down from Dublin Midlands Hospital board

Who is it so?

That's not him either.

And yet again, it is not my theory, it is what happens with viral infections every year, ask any doctor.

Who are you hanging all our opinions off Nphet?

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

So it's not this fella you are hinging your whole theory to?

Doctor who called for ‘herd immunity’ steps down from Dublin Midlands Hospital board

Who is it so?

That is an interesting article though, I'd never heard of that guy.

Another dissenter cast aside.

I did notice this little gem from the Colm Henry...

"This is a novel coronavirus for which there is no cure or vaccination currently and against which our population have no immunity"...

But this is not the first corona virus to hit the Irish people is it?

Stormyteacup

Silentcorner wrote: »

So what is the death rate of this virus then?

CFR and IFR are both estimates. CFR seems like a neater calculation because there’s a concrete number for confirmed cases. But it’s obviously not the true number of infections.

WHO calls IFR a measure of the true severity of a disease. There’s even a mathematical formula for it.

This doc from August last year says estimates for IFR converge between 0.5% and 1%.

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19

Whatever the final fatality rate is agreed as being, it won’t look like 2.1%.

charlie14

Silentcorner wrote: »

So the fact that a high percentage of people who sadly pass away from this virus already had serious health issues doesn't even enter the thinking, or the fact that we have actually got no idea how many cases we or any country actually has had on account of the testing system, the asymptomatic numbers who were never tested....ya, that explains a lot actually.

The number of infected is a real stickler if you are attempting to come up with an IFR isn`t it.

We could always go with your experts Ionaniddis`s figures for that.
Not that I can see it being much help to you.
Based on his scribbling we would currently have somewhere between 13m and 22m infected.

Anyway..... in your own good time with those calculations on IFR.

Sobit1964

charlie14 wrote: »

Pick any country you wish, take the number of Covid deaths, multiply by 100 and divide by the number of confirmed cases, and it will give you the case fatality rate (CFR). Currently in Ireland it is 1.9%. Worldwide 2.07%

If you give me a similar mathematical formula for the infection fatality rate (IFR) I can give you the percentage as well.
nock yourself out, but you are not going to find one. Similar to Ionaniddis`s natural herd immunity nonsense it is based on nothing other than guesswork.

Please see 2020 they want their CFR panic back.

charlie14

Stormyteacup wrote: »

CFR and IFR are both estimates. CFR seems like a neater calculation because there’s a concrete number for confirmed cases. But it’s obviously not the true number of infections.

WHO calls IFR a measure of the true severity of a disease. There’s even a mathematical formula for it.

This doc from August last year says estimates for IFR converge between 0.5% and 1%.

https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/estimating-mortality-from-covid-19

Whatever the final fatality rate is agreed as being, it won’t look like 2.1%.

IFR is a load of gobbledygook nonsense. If this virus disappeared in the morning we would still not know what the IFR was and we never would. The CFR on the other hand....

charlie14

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Please see 2020 they want their CFR panic back.

Don`t feel left out.
Anytime you want to put forward a mathematical formula for calculating IFR you are more than welcome

sporina

are the easing of restrictions plans for cafes the same as those for pubs/restaurants?

Timmy O Toole

sporina wrote: »

are the easing of restrictions plans for cafes the same as those for pubs/restaurants?

No. In cafes only 1 sugar is allowed per person, also no butter allowed on scones

M_Murphy57

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

No. In cafes only 1 sugar is allowed per person, also no butter allowed on scones

I think unsalted butter is allowed if theres less than 6 at the table , excluding children.

Sobit1964

charlie14 wrote: »

Don`t feel left out.
Anytime you want to put forward a mathematical formula for calculating IFR you are more than welcome

Anytime you are ready to stop using a hammer to drive in screws I might, but with your level of discourse its a bit like explaining to a baby why spaghetti in hair equals a hair wash.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

That's not him either.

Well give us a clue.

One other GP resigned because he wandered into an anti vax rally and gave a speech by accident.

Or this guy

An Irish GP who refused to vaccinate his patients against SARS-CoV-2 and referred to media information about the pandemic as “propaganda” and a “hoax” has been suspended from the medical register by the
High Court of Ireland

https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/373/bmj.n987.full.pdf.

Silentcorner wrote: »

he was also sacked from his position in the HSE for publicly criticizing lock downs

He was the only one that was "sacked" really.

So that's the guy you got the theory from?

charlie14

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Anytime you are ready to stop using a hammer to drive in screws I might, but with your level of discourse its a bit like explaining to a baby why spaghetti in hair equals a hair wash.

So short version. No you do not have a mathematical formula for calculating IFR.
Not that it matters. It never had, nor never will, have any practical use in regards to this pandemic.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

Well give us a clue.

One other GP resigned because he wandered into an anti vax rally and gave a speech by accident.

Or this guy



https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/373/bmj.n987.full.pdf.



He was the only one that was "sacked" really.

So that's the guy you got the theory from?

Keep the content coming Boggles...I've never heard of this guy either.

This stuck out for me...

He wrote, “From my experience of my patients on the front line since March 2020, I estimate that between
1% and 10% of the Irish population have suffered from a serious traumatic stress disorder, depression and
suicidal ideation as a direct result of the government instigated media propaganda and lockdown, which
works out at between 48 000 and 480 000 people of this country. This must be seen as a national tragedy, if
not a massive crime against the Irish people, perhaps the worst since the great famine which was committed
by the British government.”

That is exactly what my parents GP said to them, he advised them not to consume media, this GP assists with the elderly on a voluntary basis and told them the hysteria is having a dreadful effect on the elderly people, given how the HSE treats outspoken doctors you can understand why he never went public!!!

Anymore good articles like that one Boggles?

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Keep the content coming Boggles...I've never heard of this guy either.

They are the only 3 that resigned or had their ability to practice suspended AFAIK.

You are the one that made the claim not me.

So this mystery doctor doesn't exist does he?