That funeral today

CUCINA

Is that level of razzmatazz and expense not obscene? What about all the other old people in the UK this week?

Effects

CUCINA wrote: »

Is that level of razzmatazz and expense not obscene? What about all the other old people in the UK this week?

The royal family are better than all those other old people you mentioned, so they don't really matter.

walshb

CUCINA wrote: »

Is that level of razzmatazz and expense not obscene? What about all the other old people in the UK this week?

Hardly razzmatazz now. It’s ceremony. Been that way a long long time.

Extra user.

The royal family is all about the razamatazz

The theory is that it pays for itself overall

retalivity

Don't care about the funeral, rich posh English people can do what they want.

What I want to know is, why the hell is the tricolour flying at half mast? Phillip has next to zero connection to Ireland, other than being married to the woman who is the titular head of state of the North. Will Downing St fly them at half mast if/when Robinson/McAleese/Higgins kick the bucket?

https://www.thejournal.ie/flag-half-mast-for-prince-philip-ireland-5412813-Apr2021/

McDermotX

retalivity wrote: »

.......the tricolour flying at half mast.....

What the actual fcuk ??

At least tell me RTE aren't covering it today !

elperello

You shouldn't let it worry you really.

If you are concerned about the welfare of the elderly in the UK you could make a donation online to https://www.ageuk.org.uk/

McDermotX

McDermotX wrote: »

What the actual fcuk ??

At least tell me RTE aren't covering it today !

Its on rte news now live...
Where is the tri colour at half mast?

walshb

McDermotX wrote: »

What the actual fcuk ??

At least tell me RTE aren't covering it today !

Why so annoyed?

They are our neighbours. It’s 2021. It’s about showing a mark of respect, building bridges, moving on and embracing peace and harmony and good relations..

jimmycrackcorm

Extra user. wrote:

The theory is that it pays for itself overall

The royal family are probably the biggest tourist attraction in the UK so it's effectively a marketing exercise for GB holidays ltd.

retalivity

retalivity wrote: »

Don't care about the funeral, rich posh English people can do what they want.

What I want to know is, why the hell is the tricolour flying at half mast? Phillip has next to zero connection to Ireland, other than being married to the woman who is the titular head of state of the North. Will Downing St fly them at half mast if/when Robinson/McAleese/Higgins kick the bucket?

Is it? That’s absolutely disgraceful if so.

Be right back

At least we are not paying for the funeral! I do feel sorry for the Queen.

spurious

On a scale of 1 to 10 of things to get offended/in a flap about, the tricolour at half mast is about a 0.2.
Seriously. It's 2021.

Gregor Samsa

retalivity wrote: »

Don't care about the funeral, rich posh English people can do what they want.

What I want to know is, why the hell is the tricolour flying at half mast? Phillip has next to zero connection to Ireland, other than being married to the woman who is the titular head of state of the North. Will Downing St fly them at half mast if/when Robinson/McAleese/Higgins kick the bucket?

Section 8 of the National Flag Guidelines states:

"on the death of a national or international figure, the National Flag is flown at half-mast on all prominent government buildings equipped with a flag pole, under advice from the Department of the Taoiseach."

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/adc448-the-national-flag/

The UK flag guidelines are here:

https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-faqs

Zebra3

walshb wrote: »

Why so annoyed?

They are our neighbours. It’s 2021. It’s about showing a mark of respect, building bridges, moving on and embracing peace and harmony and good relations..

We should be promoting democracy, not bootlicking the family of their unelected head of state.

Mad_maxx

dont give a sh1t about the funeral but as many irish people fawn over our president as the brits do the royal family as far as i can see ?

humberklog

The Brits are really good at this pomp stuff....but their Jerusalema Callenge attempt needs tweeking.

Atlantic Dawn

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Section 8 of the National Flag Guidelines states:

"on the death of a national or international figure, the National Flag is flown at half-mast on all prominent government buildings equipped with a flag pole, under advice from the Department of the Taoiseach."

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/adc448-the-national-flag/

The UK flag guidelines are here:

https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-faqs

We lowered it when the Saudi King died too...
https://www.thejournal.ie/half-mast-tricolour-ireland-flag-1961127-Feb2015/

Itssoeasy

retalivity wrote: »

Don't care about the funeral, rich posh English people can do what they want.

What I want to know is, why the hell is the tricolour flying at half mast? Phillip has next to zero connection to Ireland, other than being married to the woman who is the titular head of state of the North. Will Downing St fly them at half mast if/when Robinson/McAleese/Higgins kick the bucket?

The tricolour is at half mast ? I can understand the union Jack being at half mast but I don’t understand why our flag would be a half mast. Of course it won’t be because most people in the UK won’t know who any of our presidents are.

Itssoeasy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

We lowered it when the Saudi King died too...
https://www.thejournal.ie/half-mast-tricolour-ireland-flag-1961127-Feb2015/

So there’s a diplomatic reason behind it ?

retalivity

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Section 8 of the National Flag Guidelines states:

"on the death of a national or international figure, the National Flag is flown at half-mast on all prominent government buildings equipped with a flag pole, under advice from the Department of the Taoiseach."

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/adc448-the-national-flag/

The UK flag guidelines are here:

https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/union-flag-faqs

When was the last time it was flown at half mast for an international figure? Can't find much information online, other than the Queen Mother in 2002.
Was it done when George Bush Sr died in 2018?

EDIT: I see the saudi link now above...

Extra user.

Marine Layer wrote: »

Its on rte news now live...
Where is the tri colour at half mast?

One of the tri-colors somewhere i suppose

Is there an official tri-color

Fann Linn

retalivity wrote: »

When was the last time it was flown at half mast for an international figure? Can't find much information online, other than the Queen Mother in 2002.
Was it done when George Bush Sr died in 2018?

EDIT: I see the saudi link now above...

Don't forget the bould Adolf. Or was that just condolences?
We probably had closer links to Gaddaffi and Saddam. Did they get the half mast treatment?

Be right back

Was it lowered for Princess Diana?

Fann Linn

Extra user. wrote: »

One of the tri-colors somewhere i suppose

Is there an official tri-color

Just the one I used to bring to Rovers matches.

Itssoeasy

Fann Linn wrote: »

Don't forget the bould Adolf. Or was that just condolences?
We probably had closer links to Gaddaffi and Saddam. Did they get the half mast treatment?

I think dev just went and expressed his condolences out of rigid diplomatic protocol but it royally pissed of the brits I think.

Larbre34

Be right back wrote: »

Was it lowered for Princess Diana?

I believe so.

That particular week was one of outrageous cringe in this Country. I think the level of cringe was only noticeable after 9/11 when the same gestures were made and we realised that they were appropriate for an event of that gravity, rather than for the death of an individual woman, formerly of a foreign royal family, one with whom, in 1997, we were only beginning to address historic rancour.

Extra user.

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just the one I used to bring to Rovers matches.

We should do like the French

2 tri-colors

One stays up and one stays down, no need to move anything

Slideways

I’m off to bed here but I thought it was a lovely ceremony

You can’t take away from the brits for doing a top job in times like this.

AllForIt

I'm watching it because I like to see the wonderful castles and cathedrals.

Be right back

Larbre34 wrote: »

I believe so.

That particular week was one of outrageous cringe in this Country. I think the level of cringe was only noticeable after 9/11 when the same gestures were made and we realised that they were appropriate for an event of that gravity, rather than for the death of an individual woman, formerly of a foreign royal family, one with whom, in 1997, we were only beginning to address historic rancour.

They did indeed. Found an article on it since.

AllForIt

Slideways wrote: »

I’m off to bed here but I thought it was a lovely ceremony

You can’t take away from the brits for doing a top job in times like this.

Are you in the future because it's not over yet and it's not bedtime.

Itssoeasy

Be right back wrote: »

They did indeed. Found an article on it since.

I’ve zero memory of flags being lowered.

Slideways

AllForIt wrote: »

Are you in the future because it's not over yet and it's not bedtime.

It’s 10pm here buddy, definitely past my bedtime

murpho999

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The royal family are probably the biggest tourist attraction in the UK so it's effectively a marketing exercise for GB holidays ltd.

I really don't buy that defence that monarchists say (not saying you by the way).

France attracts more tourists that UK and it's a republic.

Tourists will come for the country and other things. I don't believe royalty attracts tourism anywhere.

How many people travel to Netherlands, Sweden, Norway or even Thailand because of royalty?

walshb

FFS, could they not stick on some decent music?

KungPao

I wonder if Elizabeth will remarry? I’m available if she’s up for it. Fancy some of that fame and lifestyle.

Will I have to convert to Church of England? Heard they don’t have much time for Catholics.

Ash.J.Williams

I’m not a begrudger at all and in fact I quite like the man he seemed very good at his role in the family but all the things they’re crediting him for were actually done by other people
Like steve jobs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3s-qZsjK8I

beauf

CUCINA wrote: »

Is that level of razzmatazz and expense not obscene? What about all the other old people in the UK this week?

Have you started another other threads about old people in the UK? Or is this not really about that.

Ash.J.Williams

murpho999 wrote: »

I really don't buy that defence that monarchists say (not saying you by the way).

France attracts more tourists that UK and it's a republic.

Tourists will come for the country and other things. I don't believe royalty attracts tourism anywhere.

How many people travel to Netherlands, Sweden, Norway or even Thailand because of Royalty?

You’re missing the point , the royals ARE a uk tourist attraction

Condolences and all but I think it is a step too far to have our flags on state buildings at half mast.

jimmycrackcorm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The royal family are probably the biggest tourist attraction in the UK so it's effectively a marketing exercise for GB holidays ltd.

I’ve no problem with the U.K. keeping the monarchy, up to them, not I’m dubious about that. Where’s the evidence.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

You’re missing the point , the royals ARE a uk tourist attraction

Stated without proof again.

Ash.J.Williams

walshb wrote: »

FFS, could they not stick on some decent music?

As a lifelong metal fan I love it , pure evil vibes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5mjMpZ8bEQ

walshb

Aarav Warm Number wrote: »

Condolences and all but I think it is a step too far to have our flags on state buildings at half mast.

Why?

Maybe 30-40-50 years ago, but hardly now..

Larbre34

Aarav Warm Number wrote: »

Condolences and all but I think it is a step too far to have our flags on state buildings at half mast.

I raised my eyebrows about it this morning, but I understand now this is neither a new nor an common gesture. And we are talking about the spouse of the Monarch of our nearest neighbour. So 'neighbourly' is fair enough.

Larbre34

Daenerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, First of Her Name, the Unburnt, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, Breaker of Chains, and Mother of Dragons....

....is all I just heard.

KungPao

Did we lower the flag when Mountbatten was murdered?

KaneToad

AllForIt wrote: »

Are you in the future because it's not over yet and it's not bedtime.

Never mind some poxy funeral...can you tell us what the lotto numbers were?

walshb

walshb wrote: »

Why?

Maybe 30-40-50 years ago, but hardly now..

What is the point of it? The Royals won't even notice we've done it. The perception of Ireland from the British establishment is still very much that it is still its poor peasant neighbour and to an extent lapdog. Brexit has brought up some old wounds and they would throw us under the bus tomorrow for an advantage without a seconds thought.

All round I'd rather we maintain a respectful distance rather than this nonsensical pandering.A word of condolence from the President is sufficient. Nothing more.

Itssoeasy

KungPao wrote: »

Did we lower the flag when Mountbatten was murdered?

In the 1970s ? Of course we didn’t.

Masala

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The royal family are probably the biggest tourist attraction in the UK so it's effectively a marketing exercise for GB holidays ltd.

Gonna put Windsor on the map.