Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Turtwig

Age restriction is inevitable now. May not happen properly until there are European cases.
Regardless this throws a big spanner into the works for single dosing vaccination of certain minority and vulnerable groups.

Lumen

The absolutely overwhelming advantage of J&J at an individual level is that you're considered fully vaccinated 2 weeks after the one shot (at least according to the CDC).

This is going to make it much, much more popular than AZ, even if the risks were the same.

Gael23

pgj2015 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/news/two-fully-vaccinated-nursing-home-staff-test-positive-for-covid-19-40334239.html

That nursing home was absolutely ravaged in the first wave so they are just making a story.

Fitz*

Ramp up going strong

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1384520738397376517

leahyl

From the RTE article: "Concerns over the vaccine and that made by AstraZeneca have dampened hopes that vaccines could offer a swift end to the pandemic."


Wouldn't say that....I'm still pretty hopeful anyway....people are still getting AZ and will be taking J&J also

Le Bruise

Le Bruise wrote: »

That headline is very annoying. A certain cohort won't read the article and come away saying (and spreading to others), what's the point of the vaccine if I can still get COVID?

'Two Nursing home staff protected from getting ill from COVID by vaccines' would have been better....but that ain't gonna get the clicks!

so you want to do what with the newspapers? so certain cohorts wont say what you think certain cohorts will say...

yes they have tested positive, Yes if the producers are to be believed, they have a 90 something chance of not getting sick or being hospitalized...However, they can carry and spread it but who cares as we head towards herd immunity it will be like carrying the cold sore virus but never having any cold sores

JTMan

Regarding timelines for the 12-15 year old vaccination programme ...

Local media in Israel recently said the vaccination of 12-15 year olds might start in May as soon as the FDA approves Pfizer-BionTech.

WSJ indicates that Israel will have completed giving the vaccine to all 12-15 year olds "by the summer".

Israel have an existing stock of vaccines ready to go.

In addition, Israel are launching an extensive program of testing is aiming to keep the virus under control in younger un-vaccinated children.

If Israel can vaccinate 12-15 year olds starting this in May, then surely the US can then too and surely we can give first doses in July?

stephenjmcd

200,000 vaccines due to be delivered this week, 200-250k due to be delivered next week according to HSE.

Note , this is vaccines delivering into the country

Lumen

The prospect of giving vaccines to children is terrifying. This idea will never catch on.

hynesie08

stephenjmcd wrote: »

200,000 vaccines due to be delivered this week, 200-250k due to be delivered next week according to HSE

Into ireland or into arms?

Turtwig

Lumen wrote: »

The prospect of giving vaccines to children is terrifying. This idea will never catch on.

Lots of children in cohorts 4 and 7 if you exclude the current age restrictions.

Infernal Racket

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Great news. The “one shot” jab will be a real boon in vaccinating, the more, vulnerable groups.

I'd imagine it will speed things up for everyone. Half the quantity, half the time, get that needle in my arm quick sharp Mr Johnson...

Floppybits

Infernal Racket wrote: »

RTE news : EMA: Benefits of J&J Covid-19 vaccine outweigh risks

http://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0420/1211016-johnson-johnson/

This is excellent news

Fantastic news as the saying goes "Lob it into me boss" so that I can get on with living now.

hynesie08

Fitz* wrote: »

Ramp up going strong

https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1384520738397376517

I know, 141000 in a week without AZ. Great.

stephenjmcd

hynesie08 wrote: »

Into ireland or into arms?

Into country.

HSE saying,
The aim for this week is 140-160,000; next week, the team is working through the figures. The aim is to increase, but a shortfall from AZ and extra Pfizer is currently being examined

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

The prospect of giving vaccines to children is terrifying. This idea will never catch on.

Inclined to believe its tongue it cheek, but undoubtedly there are some who hold this view

https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/pubinfo/pcischedule/immschedule/

Age to Vaccinate

Type of Vaccination

At Birth

BCG/Tuberculosis Vaccine (given in maternity hospitals or HSE clinic)

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At 2 Months (518KB)

Free from your GP

6 in 1 Vaccine (Diphtheria Tetanus Whooping Cough (Pertussis) Hib (Haemophilus influenzae b) Polio (Inactivated poliomyelitis) Hepatitis

PCV (Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine)

MenB Vaccine (Meningococcal B Vaccine)

Rotavirus oral vaccine

At 4 Months (546KB)

Free from your GP

6 in 1 Vaccine (Diphtheria Tetanus Whooping Cough (Pertussis) Hib (Haemophilus influenzae typeb) Polio (Inactivated poliomyelitis) Hepatitis

MenB Vaccine (Meningococcal B Vaccine)

Rotavirus oral vaccine

At 6 Months (524KB)

Free from your GP

6 in 1 Vaccine (Diphtheria Tetanus Whooping Cough (Pertussis) Hib (Haemophilus influenzae b) Polio (Inactivated poliomyelitis) Hepatitis

PCV (Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine)

MenC Vaccine (Meningococcal C Vaccine)

At 12 Months (476KB)

Free from your GP

MMR (Measles Mumps Rubella)

MenB Vaccine (Meningococcal B Vaccine)

At 13 Months (551KB)

Free from your GP

Hib/MenC (Haemophilus influenzae b and Meningococcal C combined vaccine)

PCV (Pneumococcal Conjugate Vaccine)

JPup

Don't forget the chicken pox vaccine is also available. Safe and very effective. Children do not need to get sick with chicken pox.

Le Bruise

rusty cole wrote: »

so you want to do what with the newspapers? so certain cohorts wont say what you think certain cohorts will say...

yes they have tested positive, Yes if the producers are to be believed, they have a 90 something chance of not getting sick or being hospitalized...However, they can carry and spread it but who cares as we head towards herd immunity it will be like carrying the cold sore virus but never having any cold sores

I realise that, you realise that....a lot of people on this thread realise that. I'm just saying it's yet another headline that might be used to persuade folk that don't know that to not take the vaccine (if that makes sense).

JTMan

NIAC to "examine" J&J in the "next few days" and it is "awaiting more information" ...

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1384525710069571585

stephenjmcd

JTMan wrote: »

NIAC to "examine" J&J in "coming days" and it is "awaiting more information" ...

https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1384525710069571585

It literally came in as she was talking to the committee.

She wasn't going to say anything else

hmmm

J&J vaccine given to 7 million people in the US, and 1 death from rare blood clots. Even rarer than AZ.

Let's hope sense prevails.

Turtwig

hmmm wrote: »

J&J vaccine given to 7 million people in the US, and 1 death from rare blood clots. Even rarer than AZ.

Let's hope sense prevails.

Detected so far. Remember when posters here were saying the UK hadn't this issue?

It's highly likely the true incidence rate has not been detected yet. We don't know how either vaccine compares yet. Likely won't for some time.

jimmycrackcorm

VG31 wrote:

I'd question whether if you're vaccinated and test positive with no symptoms it should even be recorded as a case.

Most relevant would be to try establish, if possible, what the likelihood is of transmission in this event.

You can test positive but the viral load might be too small to spread. It must be possible to validate this in a similar method to capturing alcohol breath specimens.

Turtwig

Turtwig wrote: »

Detected so far. Remember when posters here were saying the UK hadn't this issue?

It's highly likely the true incidence rate has not been detected yet. We don't know how either vaccine compares yet. Likely won't for some time.

The UK missed it because their systems were catching up with the post brexit changes to their monitoring systems. They found it once aware of it. It was identified quickly in the US because of the European experience with AZ. No new cases have emerged since the pause. All cases so far have emerged within 2 weeks of vaccination. If there actual rate was significantly higher than that observed we would know about it by now

lukas8888

I called the HSE help line to enquire are the 65 to 69 cohort vaccinated according to area as all i am seeing on this thread is mainly Dublin and Cork.I am 69 and registered last Thursday, the lady on the help line told me no it was not according to location, but then to my surprise she said not by descending age either.Registration was age based but seemingly 65 or 66 age group are as likely to be vaccinated before a 68 or 69 year old.

Le Bruise

Le Bruise wrote: »

I realise that, you realise that....a lot of people on this thread realise that. I'm just saying it's yet another headline that might be used to persuade folk that don't know that to not take the vaccine (if that makes sense).

you keep saying "Cohorts" and "folk", like whom?? the uninitiated to Boards.
People are capable of making their own minds up and if not then so be it it doesn't mean you should hope for cheery picked articles which favour all Vaccines are great viewpoints.

I'm sure the "FOLK" in the Tuskegee syphilis trials would have liked the odd heads up no?

Turtwig

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The UK missed it because their systems were catching up with the post brexit changes to their monitoring systems. They found it once aware of it. It was identified quickly in the US because of the European experience with AZ. No new cases have emerged since the pause. All cases so far have emerged within 2 weeks of vaccination. If there actual rate was significantly higher than that observed we would know about it by now

Brexit impacted the UK's access to Europe cases. They had plenty on their own soil that they simply didn't recognise despite being reported.

Cases typically occur within two weeks after vaccination. It doesn't mean they are identified and reported then.

This is like assuming all covid deaths in Ireland are reported on time. There is a delay in the reporting period from when the adverse event occurs, is formally identified and reported. Many, especially, at the outset, will be missed.

hmmm

Turtwig wrote: »

Detected so far. Remember when posters here were saying the UK hadn't this issue?

It's highly likely the true incidence rate has not been detected yet. We don't know how either vaccine compares yet. Likely won't for some time.

I've heard very little about new cases being identified in the US since their pause, which I think was a lot of the reason for the pause in the first place.

As this is a single dose vaccine it's automatically half the risk of AZ anyway.

While the mRNA vaccines are great, the long-term data from the adenovirus vaccines looks very impressive. It'd be a shame to put all our eggs in one technology basket.

Turtwig

hmmm wrote: »

I've heard very little about new cases being identified in the US since their pause, which I think was a lot of the reason for the pause in the first place.

As this is a single dose vaccine it's automatically half the risk of AZ anyway.

You're assuming the risk is dose dependent. We don't know that yet. Could just be an immune reaction that is inevitable for some recipients after the first dose. Risk could be equal among the vaccines. Or it might not be. If it was different that might actually help in identifying the cause of the event.

Hellrazer

hmmm wrote: »

As this is a single dose vaccine it's automatically half the risk of AZ anyway.

Werent all the clots with AZ after the 1st dose and not the second - if so its the same risk really.