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Why do people hate on SUV drivers?

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    #392
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    true, but there have been trends repeatedly observed with drivers of expensive cars, e.g.

    "Three studies over the last five years show that people driving expensive cars were more likely to cut off other motorists and less likely to stop for pedestrians in crosswalks."
    https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/Rich-peo.html


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    #393
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Unsurprisingly cycling forum moderator dislikes drivers of expensive cars. :)


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    #394
    sebdavis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 891 ✭✭✭sebdavis


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    true, but there have been trends repeatedly observed with drivers of expensive cars, e.g.

    "Three studies over the last five years show that people driving expensive cars were more likely to cut off other motorists and less likely to stop for pedestrians in crosswalks."
    https://www.inquirer.com/philly/news/pennsylvania/Rich-peo.html

    Questionable study to be honest and seems to be playing towards their readership.....

    It used to be BMW/Audi drivers are d**kheads when those car where rare, now they are a lot more popular its types of car v make up

    As I said, some people are d**kheads, doesn't matter what they drive.


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    #395
    magicbastarder
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    Fitz II wrote: »
    Unsurprisingly cycling forum moderator dislikes drivers of expensive cars. :)
    well, they *do* say cyclists make for better - and more observant - drivers. :)


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    #396
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,394 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    well, they *do* say cyclists make for better - and more observant - drivers. :)

    They would say that though, wouldn’t they.


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    #397
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    sebdavis wrote: »
    Questionable study to be honest and seems to be playing towards their readership.....
    that cites three different studies, and is dated 2017; and there's been another widely publicised one since.

    and true, it's going to be difficult doing research in this area, because to do so you need to be able to quantify behaviour in a way that is very simple and repeatable. and dickish behaviour is usually going to be complex to record and repeatedly observe. it seems the 'yielding to pedestrians' is the simplest way of measuring this.

    hand on heart, i am biased against certain drivers when i see their cars, especially when out on the bike. 10 or 15 year old passats with nurburgring stickers, for example; big red flag there. large expensive SUVs, that sort of thing.
    i'm not saying all drivers of such cars drive inconsiderately, obviously.


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    #398
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    Its interesting how we put our own bias on things....what I took from these "studies" was that being a jerk makes you more financially successful.

    THis is how it starts boys, we find a behaviour we dont like, identify a group of people we dislike and attribute the behavior to them, round them up....you know where this is going.....


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    #399
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,545 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    you seem a little too focused with this particular concept.


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    #400
    Fitz II
    Registered Users Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Fitz II


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    you seem a little too focused with this particular concept.

    You saying it didnt happen :eek:


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    #401
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,532 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    They would say that though, wouldn’t they.

    At least one UK motor insurer gives discounts to cyclists, given the evidence showing that they are safer drivers.

    I hope the SUV driver's WhatsApp message was worth it.

    https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1381982779802484736?s=19


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    #402
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,394 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    At least one UK motor insurer gives discounts to cyclists, given the evidence showing that they are safer drivers.

    I hope the SUV driver's WhatsApp message was worth it.

    https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1381982779802484736?s=19

    What does that story have to do with anything?


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    #403
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,532 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    What does that story have to do with anything?

    It helps to answer the question in the thread title.


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    #404
    heroics
    Registered Users Posts: 1,878 ✭✭✭heroics


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It helps to answer the question in the thread title.

    Does it not just show a judge dislikes SUVs?


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    #405
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    heroics wrote: »
    Does it not just show a judge dislikes SUVs?

    Apparently more so than people being distracted by using their phones while driving.


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    #406
    NSAman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,394 ✭✭✭NSAman


    So basically we all hate SUV drivers, Audi drivers, BMW drivers...and don’t even mention the Prius drivers!

    So should we all purchase Lambo’s?


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    #407
    micah537
    Registered Users Posts: 254 ✭✭micah537


    NSAman wrote: »
    So basically we all hate SUV drivers, Audi drivers, BMW drivers...and don’t even mention the Prius drivers!

    So should we all purchase Lambo’s?

    Oh god no. We have to hate anyone who spends more money on something than a normal person can afford.

    You have to cycle to work or if you really need a car it must be a Dacia or 1.2 Octavia. Even EV vehicles are bad I think.


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    #408
    liamog
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 7,828 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    micah537 wrote: »
    Oh god no. We have to hate anyone who spends more money on something than a normal person can afford.

    You have to cycle to work or if you really need a car it must be a Dacia or 1.2 Octavia. Even EV vehicles are bad I think.

    You are also allowed to hate cyclists, except for the ones who bought the bike in Halfords.


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    #409
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    liamog wrote: »
    You are also allowed to hate cyclists, except for the ones who bought the bike in Halfords.

    Don’t forget, you have to be male, tall, and have a functional reason for driving an SUV, otherwise you should drive a Skoda.


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    #410
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,532 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    heroics wrote: »
    Does it not just show a judge dislikes SUVs?

    No, it specifically highlights the dangers arising to other road users from SUVs, particularly when the driver is a feckin idiot.


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    #411
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    No, it specifically highlights the dangers arising to other road users from SUVs, particularly when the driver is a feckin idiot.

    A fiesta can deliver a “knockout blow” to a motorcyclist, cyclist or pedestrian, if the driver is distracted by using their phone. Do we hate fiesta drivers for that reason?


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    #412
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,532 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Dav010 wrote: »
    A fiesta can deliver a “knockout blow” to a motorcyclist, cyclist or pedestrian, if the driver is distracted by using their phone. Do we hate fiesta drivers for that reason?

    They can indeed. But they can't deliver a knock out blow to another Fiesta when taking off from the lights.

    That's the difference.


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    #413
    Dav010
    Registered Users Posts: 14,143 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    They can indeed. But they can't deliver a knock out blow to another Fiesta when taking off from the lights.

    That's the difference.

    An SUV probably can’t deliver it to another SUV either, but a fiesta can to something smaller. Both the judge, and yourself are missing the obvious cause of the accident, it wasn’t that the driver was driving an SUV, it was caused by her being distracted on her phone. She’s an idiot for not paying attention, it’s idiotic to think it was caused just because she was in an SUV.


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    #414
    Anjobe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    They can indeed. But they can't deliver a knock out blow to another Fiesta when taking off from the lights.

    That's the difference.

    Where does this "knockout blow" stuff come from - a self appointed expert in collision dynamics?

    I was once rear ended by an 18-tonne lorry at lights while driving an old Renault 5. Apart from a bit of stiffness the next day I was completely fine, and the car wasn't too badly damaged either. It was certainly no knockout blow. Easily the worst rear-end collision I have experienced was being hit by a Citroen Xsara.


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    #415
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,394 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    No, it specifically highlights the dangers arising to other road users from SUVs, particularly when the driver is a feckin idiot.

    It applies to any car.
    The idea that the fact it was an SUV that destroyed the fiesta is entirely down to the meanderings of the judge, and not based on any examination of the car.

    This was purely the drivers fault, the fact that she was driving an SUV is irrelevant. It’s as ridiculous as posting a drink driving case where the driver had an SUV.


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    #416
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,532 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    It applies to any car.
    The idea that the fact it was an SUV that destroyed the fiesta is entirely down to the meanderings of the judge, and not based on any examination of the car.

    This was purely the drivers fault, the fact that she was driving an SUV is irrelevant. It’s as ridiculous as posting a drink driving case where the driver had an SUV.

    Momentum = speed x weight


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    #417
    Anjobe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Momentum = speed x weight

    Your physics teacher would be crying right now!


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    #418
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,394 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Momentum = speed x weight

    Granted, but a Jaguar F-Pace weighs 1880kg. It’s not like that’s massively more than a large saloon like an Audi A6 weighs.

    My reading of it is that this was a very low speed impact with minimal damage to the Fiesta. The victim was only after a payout for a rear impact the year before. Not saying the second incident didn’t happen, but the fact that she accepted a quarter of what she looked for initially would suggest that there was an element of exaggeration in this case.
    The opinion of a judge based on the tiny little Fiesta and the big bad SUV doesn’t ring true for me. Modern cars like a Fiesta are incredibly safe nowadays. Obviously mass and velocity are huge factors, but the judges opinion on this is conjecture.


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    #419
    AndrewJRenko
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    Anjobe wrote: »
    Your physics teacher would be crying right now!

    He's long dead, but I'd imagine he'd be fairly pleased at the audience friendly language, and wouldn't be too concerned that my formula might be inaccurate for SUV crashes on the moon.


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    #420
    Anjobe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    He's long dead, but I'd imagine he'd be fairly pleased at the audience friendly language, and wouldn't be too concerned that my formula might be inaccurate for SUV crashes on the moon.

    Weight is not "audience friendly" language for mass, they are fundamentally different quantities. In expressing momentum as you did you have made another common but quite fundamental error and together they render your expression completely meaningless in any context, I don't think any self-respecting science educator would be happy with that.


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    #421
    blackvalley
    Registered Users Posts: 671 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    Pythagorean wrote: »
    If you've ever been on a twisty narrow road with a load of blind bends, and met one of these monsters barrelling round a blind bend at speed, nearly wiping you out in the process, I think you could be forgiven for hating the driver.

    NEARLY WIPING YOU OUT !!!!!!!.
    Sounds like a very serious accident. Hope your injuries weren’t too bad and that you are back on the road. Where did this major incident occur ?.

    OR . Did you merely have to pull in to the left as a wide vehicle approached .


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