Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Normal One

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Wouldn't you think that at least one of those teachers in Bray would have had the good grace to stand up and say "No lads - it's not our turn yet. There are still folks out there more vulnerable than us that need these jabs more. Our turn will come"?

Presumably one of them, or one who wasn't in the magic 20, blew the whistle.

Normal One

caveat emptor wrote: »

True but a bit of a coincidence that the kids of the CEO of the hospital happen to attend that very school.

Watching that Netflix documentary about the college admissions scandal. Big daddy CEO would be in a bit of bother state side.

Classic quid pro quo can't be ruled out. It's interesting with the leaving cert being decided by teachers rather than exam for some pupils this year.

It shouldn't have happened and it makes a mockery of all the old and vulnerable still waiting to be vaccinated.

I do think teachers should be given it as soon as possible given their exposure but this smells.

If the vaccines are property of the state (or HSE or whomever) then Mr CEO should be done for theft.

rodders999

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Wouldn't you think that at least one of those teachers in Bray would have had the good grace to stand up and say "No lads - it's not our turn yet. There are still folks out there more vulnerable than us that need these jabs more. Our turn will come"?

These are the Tarquin’s and Rupert’s of this world and would have been indignant that they weren’t top priority to begin with, what with Fergus being a barrister and chairman of the golf club to boot.


They’d certainly have no qualms of jumping the queue ahead of the great unwashed.

Tally Ho!

is_that_so

Normal One wrote: »

If the vaccines are property of the state (or HSE or whomever) then Mr CEO should be done for theft.

Neither he nor the Beacon stole them. There were used as expected to vaccinate people, but a very small number of people were done way out of turn.

Chris_5339762

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Wouldn't you think that at least one of those teachers in Bray would have had the good grace to stand up and say "No lads - it's not our turn yet. There are still folks out there more vulnerable than us that need these jabs more. Our turn will come"?

Almost everyone who wants a vaccine will take it if offered... I'd say there are very very few people honest or good enough to say "No thanks, I'll wait, its not my turn yet". I'll be very honest and say I'd jump at the chance for a needle in the arm in those situations. That said, I did get mine back in January as HCW.

is_that_so

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Almost everyone who wants a vaccine will take it if offered... I'd say there are very very few people honest or good enough to say "No thanks, I'll wait, its not my turn yet". I'll be very honest and say I'd jump at the chance for a needle in the arm in those situations. That said, I did get mine back in January as HCW.

I have seen posters say they would trample over their elderly relatives to get one!

Polar101

Tredstone. wrote: »

Is it just me or is there a stark contrast between the leadership and communication being shown here and the UK ?

Yes.

UK - can't believe anything they say
Ireland - can't believe they'll do anything

Polar101

Polar101 wrote: »

Yes.

UK - can't believe anything they say
Ireland - can't believe they'll do anything

UK - gap between saying and doing is narrowing
Ireland - expectation of doing anything is falling

https://www.axios.com/wuhan-lab-coronavirus-cdc-director-c599cf7b-9e30-4314-909b-a9bdac28ead6.html

so this EX CDC head thinks this was indeed designed and "escaped"

is_that_so

rusty cole wrote: »

https://www.axios.com/wuhan-lab-coronavirus-cdc-director-c599cf7b-9e30-4314-909b-a9bdac28ead6.html

so this EX CDC head thinks this was indeed designed and "escaped"

It also quickly states he has nothing but an opinion. Man has form in making things up.

iamwhoiam

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Almost everyone who wants a vaccine will take it if offered... I'd say there are very very few people honest or good enough to say "No thanks, I'll wait, its not my turn yet". I'll be very honest and say I'd jump at the chance for a needle in the arm in those situations. That said, I did get mine back in January as HCW.

If I got a call in the morning to ask if I wanted a vaccine I think I would question it
Knowing full well that the over 70’s and high risk categories are not done I would ask why I was getting it early

ShineOn7

Of the 20 mortalaties reported today

• 11 occurred in March
• 3 occurred in February
• 6 occurred in January
• Median age: 73
• Age range: 57-91

Of the 584 cases notified today

• Male: 297
• Female: 286
• Under 45 years old: 420 (72%)
• Median age: 34

We've crossed the 700,000 mark on vaccinations. These numbers are upto as far as 3 days ago., so I'm guessing we're actually closer to 750,0000 by tomorrow

Vaccination Numbers - Up to Tuesday 23rd March

• Total doses: 709,348 (+18,899)
• First dose: 515,800 (+12,004)
• Second: 193,548 (+6,895)

XsApollo

UsBus wrote: »

What the hell are they at in Offaly..??

Making dinner for the rest of us

CoronaBlocker

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Wouldn't you think that at least one of those teachers in Bray would have had the good grace to stand up and say "No lads - it's not our turn yet. There are still folks out there more vulnerable than us that need these jabs more. Our turn will come"?

The entire Formula 1 paddock was offered vaccines by Bahrain (where the first race of the year takes place this weekend) - and, to the last mechanic, they all said no, saying "There is a queue and we are all much further down it - please give those jabs to those more vulnerable than us". -- Ok, I'm paraphrasing there but that was the gist of the statement.

And yet our entitled teachers in Bray probably clawed over each other to get onto the minibus going to the Beacon.

CoronaBlocker

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Almost everyone who wants a vaccine will take it if offered... I'd say there are very very few people honest or good enough to say "No thanks, I'll wait, its not my turn yet". I'll be very honest and say I'd jump at the chance for a needle in the arm in those situations. That said, I did get mine back in January as HCW.

The entire Formula 1 paddock refused jabs last week. See my previous post above.

Much as I'd love to get a vaccine right away, I would not jump over an elderly or sick person to get one.

Necro

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Wouldn't you think that at least one of those teachers in Bray would have had the good grace to stand up and say "No lads - it's not our turn yet. There are still folks out there more vulnerable than us that need these jabs more. Our turn will come"?

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

The entire Formula 1 paddock refused jabs last week. See my previous post above.

Much as I'd love to get a vaccine right away, I would not jump over an elderly or sick person to get one.

Mod:

Let's move on now, there's a seperate thread to discuss this as per my mod note

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

There's a seperate thread for discussion of the private school teachers, let's not duplicate that discussion here

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058172239

I'll have to start handing out cards if this isn't adhered to

manofwisdom

Of the 7530 cases in the last 14 days 4,891 was in 5 counties (Dublin, Offaly,Kildare,Meath, Donegal)

The works out as 2,639 for the other 21 counties over the last two weeks. An average of 188 cases per day.

If it continues that way regional restrictions will have to be looked at.

ShineOn7

Of the 20 mortalaties reported today

• 11 occurred in March

Are these still coming from the shamefully high numbers in January?

What is the average length of stay in ICU with this bástard virus?

I ask because there must be something in the reports saying the Kent variant has a much higher mortality rate. Whereas earlier reports said it was just more contagious

As we near April, we shouldn't be seeing this level of mortalaties every day surely. I thought we'd be at an average of 5 and below by now

jhegarty

Normal One wrote: »

If the vaccines are property of the state (or HSE or whomever) then Mr CEO should be done for theft.

New york tried bringing in that rules and it ended with up with rubbish bins full of wasted vaccines.

They reversed it very quickly.

Happydays2020

manofwisdom wrote: »

Of the 7530 cases in the last 14 days 4,891 was in 5 counties (Dublin, Offaly,Kildare,Meath, Donegal)

The works out as 2,639 for the other 21 counties over the last two weeks. An average of 188 cases per day.

If it continues that way regional restrictions will have to be looked at.

If that happens I am emigrating to Kerry.

Ficheall

Happydays2020 wrote: »

If that happens I am emigrating to Kerry.

Is Kerry not preferable to all of the counties in that list anyway (bar, perhaps, Donegal)?

Tredstone.

Pfizer staff off would affect vaccines output

caveat emptor

Here's the age groups weighted for population seven day average. What's interesting about the most recent week is.

• the school going groups increasing
• the older age groups aren't increasing
• the age groups most likely to be parents are also increasing

Of course correlation is not causation and you can't say either way what's going on.

podgeandrodge

rusty cole wrote: »

https://www.axios.com/wuhan-lab-coronavirus-cdc-director-c599cf7b-9e30-4314-909b-a9bdac28ead6.html

so this EX CDC head thinks this was indeed designed and "escaped"

is_that_so wrote: »

It also quickly states he has nothing but an opinion. Man has form in making things up.

In fairness, he was CDC chief. And CNN today, noted that it wasn't just the Trump administration that had this suspicion, Biden camp having same suspicions.

Wolf359f

caveat emptor wrote: »

Here's the age groups weighted for population seven day average. What's interesting about the most recent week is.

• the school going groups increasing
• the older age groups aren't increasing
• the age groups most likely to be parents are also increasing

Of course correlation is not causation and you can't say either way what's going on.

So all the the talk about workplace outbreaks and mobility being higher and causing higher cases doesn't seem to show that.
Unless we're all locked down and it's kids out working etc...

mollser

How many back office finance and admin staff have got the jab so far? They also didn't seem to consider the many vulnerable people who haven't had a jab, etc.

seenitall

iamwhoiam wrote: »

If I got a call in the morning to ask if I wanted a vaccine I think I would question it
Knowing full well that the over 70’s and high risk categories are not done I would ask why I was getting it early

I was offered a vaccine a couple of weeks ago and refused it. I’m not too enamoured of the idea of getting an AZ jab (on account of being a female, and in the problematic age group for it, going by the latest findings about it) and also I am pretty certain I had C-19 last year and my body dealt with it fine. So it was balancing the risks and probabilities with me, and that’s the side I came down on with my decision, and I’m happy with it.

I was offered it because my work takes me to the hospital settings on occasion - however it would be arguable if I should be considered to be in the same cohort as the healthcare workers proper. Honestly, I wouldn’t say so, myself.

I’d be happy to get the jab at a given time in future when one will hopefully be in a position to choose which jab to take.

mcburns07

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Meat plants!

Genuine question, how many people are actually employed in meat factories in Ireland? Posters have been attributing cases to meat factories for months.

mcburns07

podgeandrodge wrote: »

In fairness, he was CDC chief. And CNN today, noted that it wasn't just the Trump administration that had this suspicion, Biden camp having same suspicions.

In fairness it costs the US nothing to suggest that it might be an escaped lab experiment and it helps a lot with their them vs us propaganda when it comes to China.

Wolf359f

mcburns07 wrote: »

Genuine question, how many people are actually employed in meat factories in Ireland? Posters have been attributing cases to meat factories for months.

I'd have assumed they would have reached herd immunity by now!

Steve012

You'll need reliable source information for that

boardise

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Wouldn't you think that at least one of those teachers in Bray would have had the good grace to stand up and say "No lads - it's not our turn yet. There are still folks out there more vulnerable than us that need these jabs more. Our turn will come"?

Can we really say that though ?
We don't know how the issue was presented to them and there was a diminishing time window. For all we know some might have demurred and been told-use it or waste it.
I think it's a little unreasonable to try to apportion blame to the teachers at this remove.

coastwatch

mcburns07 wrote: »

Genuine question, how many people are actually employed in meat factories in Ireland? Posters have been attributing cases to meat factories for months.

15000, according to MII

https://meatindustryireland.ie/Sectors/MII/MII.nsf/vPages/Meat_sector~importance-of-meat-sector!OpenDocument

Messi19

mcburns07 wrote: »

In fairness it costs the US nothing to suggest that it might be an escaped lab experiment and it helps a lot with their them vs us propaganda when it comes to China.

It's not that unbelievable a suggestion that it may have come from a lab but we'll probably never know anyway. It's not like China would just put their hands up and say yeah sorry about that

seenitall

Steve012 wrote: »

Be careful, with any of them if your trying for child. Should be ok, there's info out there already on fertility.

Ah no, I’d be ok on that front, thank you though!

The latest on the problem with the AZ is the link to the hormonal factor in women (HRT, contraceptives, the menopause itself...) and this is my cohort of the moment, as it were.

gozunda

timmyntc wrote: »

Vulnerable & those with underlying conditions make up ~60% of hospital admissions (data up to end of year 2020) link here...

Delighted youre getting to use that HSPC link a bit more

Looks like the landscape with regard to covid and underlying conditions has changed since December.

Btw the data from the link above is not up to the end of year rather up to midnight on the 12/12/2020

A new report shows a fairly dramatic
change to that figure tbh

From 63.3% of patients in hospital with confirmed COVID-19 having an underlying condition up to the 12/12/20 to 73.1% of Covid-19 patients in hospital up to January 2021 having no underlying condition.

Almost 75% of all Covid-19 patients in Ireland had no underlying conditions

...

New data shows almost three-quarters of all Covid-19 patients in Ireland had no underlying conditions, up from just over half by December.

The data, collected by the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, shows 73.1% of Covid-19 patients to January 31 had no chronic illness. Up to December, this figure was 58%.

People with an underlying condition make up 14.4% of the total now, and another 12.5% are unknown or unreported.

The HPSC does not say what caused this change.

One significant difference in the Irish Covid-19 landscape compared to December is the spread of the more transmissible UK B117 variant. In early January, this was being found in one in four cases, and continued to spread...

It is now at 91% and is referred to as the dominant strain by Nphet.

The information is contained in a HSPC Report
For cases up to 31st January 2021 and which remains to be published

For more details. See:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40237760.html

Vaccinations given from when vaccinations first started on the 29 December 2020
up to and including the 31st of January equaled 199,800 doses.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-vaccine-tracker-almost-200000-doses-given-in-ireland-1073811.html

plastic glass

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Pfizer’s themselves vaccinated all their staff globally as far as I’m aware.

Isn’t that just as questionable as teachers in contact with a hundred students a week?

No. No it isn’t at all

Tyrone212

My cousin 31 has been called for his vaccine next week. He had bad asthma as a child, not so much now. They must be getting through group 4 fast enough if he's been called.

Wolf359f

Tyrone212 wrote: »

My cousin 31 has been called for his vaccine next week. He had bad asthma as a child, not so much now. They must be getting through group 4 fast enough if he's been called.

I think they are only planning on vaccinating 20000 of cohort 4 next week, far from flying thought them.

plastic glass

Tyrone212 wrote: »

My cousin 31 has been called for his vaccine next week. He had bad asthma as a child, not so much now. They must be getting through group 4 fast enough if he's been called.

Jaysus-that has to be a mistake or an anomaly! You sure he doesn’t have a connection to a CEO of a private hospital?

plastic glass

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

The entire Formula 1 paddock was offered vaccines by Bahrain (where the first race of the year takes place this weekend) - and, to the last mechanic, they all said no, saying "There is a queue and we are all much further down it - please give those jabs to those more vulnerable than us". -- Ok, I'm paraphrasing there but that was the gist of the statement.

And yet our entitled teachers in Bray probably clawed over each other to get onto the minibus going to the Beacon.

The thing that gets me is that this had to have been highly organised and they were notified to be on stand by far in advance. It is an utter disgrace and somewhat refreshing that all parties are quick to condemn.

Tyrone212

plastic glass wrote: »

Jaysus-that has to be a mistake or an anomaly! You sure he doesn’t have a connection to a CEO of a private hospital?

Nah he's common as muck. I did make a mistake though while watching TV, he's 37* not 31. His appointment is in one of the big vaccination centres not his GP office.

plastic glass

boardise wrote: »

Can we really say that though ?
We don't know how the issue was presented to them and there was a diminishing time window. For all we know some might have demurred and been told-use it or waste it.
I think it's a little unreasonable to try to apportion blame to the teachers at this remove.

There was in my arse a diminishing time window. I would think they were told in plenty of time to “be ready”. I think we have to blame them somewhat. I don’t think there should be be an out and out witch hunt but I would have no problem if papers named them. We live in a country that for better or worse there is no real repercussions for wrong doing. Maybe if these people are shamed for giving or taking the vaccine ahead of their turn others will think twice doing the same

TheDoctor

Hospital figures at 8pm

Total 304 (down from 308 last night)
ICU 66 (down from 75 last night - 4 deaths)

Last Friday
Total 329
ICU 87

gozunda

Tyrone212 wrote: »

My cousin 31 has been called for his vaccine next week. He had bad asthma as a child, not so much now. They must be getting through group 4 fast enough if he's been called.

They're not.



The first bar in each group shows the first shot- the second bar the second shot - many are still awaiting those. Cohort 4 - those 16 - 69 at very high risk have just started to be vaccinated. Apparently this is a large group.

https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/vaccines/

Jinglejangle69

Tyrone212 wrote: »

My cousin 31 has been called for his vaccine next week. He had bad asthma as a child, not so much now. They must be getting through group 4 fast enough if he's been called.

That's shocking if true.

We are making a balls of this.

Can we ever get anything right?

manofwisdom

TheDoctor wrote: »

Hospital figures at 8pm

Total 304 (down from 308 last night)
ICU 66 (down from 75 last night - 4 deaths)

Last Friday
Total 329
ICU 87

Feb 23 when it was confirmed that Ireland would remain under Level 5 restrictions until April 5th

In hospital 693
In ICU 149

retro:electro

So come here to me. We’re being told that this new variant is “more deadly” by Leo but the hospital figures aren’t showing that at all. They’re declining quite rapidly actually. We could actually have <10 in ICU in a matter of weeks. So what’s all the hysterics about

Wolf359f

retro:electro wrote: »

So come here to me. We’re being told that this new variant is “more deadly” by Leo but the hospital figures aren’t showing that at all. They’re declining quite rapidly actually. We could actually have <10 in ICU in a matter of weeks. So what’s all the hysterics about

May have something to do with the fact we're in a lockdown and currently vaccinating the most at risk?

retro:electro

Wolf359f wrote: »

May have something to do with the fact we're in a lockdown and currently vaccinating the most at risk?

But the figures are still relatively high and we’re being led to believe its rampant in the community. If the most vulnerable are being vaccinated then let’s open up as soon as possible because surely this new variant is no more deadly than all the other variants gone before it? If it was then hospital admissions would be shooting up and the opposite is happening