Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

everlast75

Things the government could have done better/sooner IMHO. These are off the top of my head...

1) Subsidise pcr testing
2) Mass and continual testing, possibly with public/private partnership with companies conducting it
3) better contact tracing.
4) Utilise those on the PUP that wanted to to assist in contact tracing
5) forced quarantine of people coming into the country
6) Daily antigen usage for health workers
7) extended mortgage breaks
8) subsidise the interest payable on those breaks
9) county by county restrictions
10) better communication with the public on information to hand, both in terms of figures but also dealing with queries
11) consistent enforcement across the board
12) increase the resources to the HSE *

suicide_circus

When you ask yourself why our health service is an absolute shambles or why capacity was not increased significantly over the summer, remember that Paul Reid is on 60% more than his NHS counterpart over the water. 350k p/a.

bluelamp

paw patrol wrote: »

I don't see anybody who doesn't accept my risk appetite for covid - I am honest about it.
At some stage people need to start accepting risk or we will be hunkered down like gobsh1te for years if not decades as variant after variant attacks us.

I think the last month in particular has seen this point being more and more accepted.

Lundstram

Wealthy middle-aged man tell us this is all grand because he has not been affected. Suck it up and get on with it, lads.

https://twitter.com/colmtobin/status/1365060416804651017?s=21

An attitude indicative of the I’m alright, Jack brigade.

showpony1

dalyboy wrote: »

What’s the danger in playing tennis / golf in Ireland right now . It’s outdoors and distancing can be observed. When were these sports indicators of infection spread deserving their closure at the end of December.

if you allow people to play golf, they will want to have pints after.

FintanMcluskey

everlast75 wrote: »

Things the government could have done better/sooner IMHO. These are off the top of my head...

1) Subsidise pcr testing
2) Mass and continual testing, possibly with public/private partnership with companies conducting it
3) better contact tracing.
4) Utilise those on the PUP that wanted to to assist in contact tracing
5) forced quarantine of people coming into the country
6) Daily antigen usage for health workers
7) extended mortgage breaks
8) subsidise the interest payable on those breaks
9) county by county restrictions
10) better communication with the public on information to hand, both in terms of figures but also dealing with queries
11) consistent enforcement across the board
12) increase the resources to the HSE *

13) figure out if it’s necessary for Europe’s youngest nation to have the strictest, longest mitigation measures to combat a disease that primarily targets the elderly
14)why the fcuk is construction closed

Cluedo Monopoly

Hector Savage

dalyboy wrote: »

Comparing Boston’s reopening on March 3rd to our dithering joke “plan” is both embarrassing and sad.

It’s an absolute scandal that Irish construction is all but shut atm and not a mention from gov about a firm date of reopening it. Sure what housing crisis exists if you close your eyes and ears shut.

What’s the danger in playing tennis / golf in Ireland right now . It’s outdoors and distancing can be observed. When were these sports indicators of infection spread deserving their closure at the end of December.

I guess at this stage we will have to wait till the mob extremists quieten down b4 we can get any semblance of normality.

Agreed, I have been playing tennis in Spain since October, not a problem, even doubles is allowed.

I personally wouldn't go for doubles but there is no reason singles is not perfectly safe, outdoors distanced etc.

I have an uncle in Ireland that plays tennis and he is essentially a prisoner in his gaff at the moment.

shame

finalfurlong

showpony1 wrote: »

if you allow people to play golf, they will want to have pints after.

Where? Cans in the bushes?When a walk hitting a ball every couple of minutes in acres of grass in fresh air is banned and accepted as high risk,we are truly lost in a sad state of affairs

Lundstram

No golf allowed guys, didn’t ye hear shouting is forbidden.

Can just see those signs now, “No shouting fore”.

You might die of with a golf ball lodged in your skull but at least no one got a disease with a 99.7% survival rate.

Some people seems to have moved on from the purpose of lockdowns being "flatten the curve to save the health system" to "save lives".

I'd caution against that. Many, many things cause death. Accepting this level of restriction, control and enforcement "to save lives" is not a road anyone wants to go down because there is no end to the number of things that could be justified with that aim.

OwenM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people seems to have moved on from the purpose of lockdowns being "flatten the curve to save the health system" to "save lives".

I'd caution against that. Many, many things cause death. Accepting this level of restriction, control and enforcement "to save lives" is not a road anyone wants to go down because there is no end to the number of things that could be justified with that aim.

Exactly, we'll be having NPHET briefings twice a week in 2030 because of the flu if we continue down that road.

Hector Savage

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people seems to have moved on from the purpose of lockdowns being "flatten the curve to save the health system" to "save lives".

I'd caution against that. Many, many things cause death. Accepting this level of restriction, control and enforcement "to save lives" is not a road anyone wants to go down because there is no end to the number of things that could be justified with that aim.

100% agree, but that's the road they have taken and seemingly most people are in agreement with it.

silverharp

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people seems to have moved on from the purpose of lockdowns being "flatten the curve to save the health system" to "save lives".

I'd caution against that. Many, many things cause death. Accepting this level of restriction, control and enforcement "to save lives" is not a road anyone wants to go down because there is no end to the number of things that could be justified with that aim.

technically that is what a government is for, if you task a group to come up with a minimize a public health issue, anything short of tactical nukes will be in their remit. Its up to Government to weigh cost/benefits.

the kelt

Deleted User wrote: »

Some people seems to have moved on from the purpose of lockdowns being "flatten the curve to save the health system" to "save lives".

I'd caution against that. Many, many things cause death. Accepting this level of restriction, control and enforcement "to save lives" is not a road anyone wants to go down because there is no end to the number of things that could be justified with that aim.

Funny things is its actually gone beyond that.

Its gone to the stage in many peoples eyes where its not even about saving lives its gone to "dont do this and you will definitely kill someone or multiple people"

Casefile will have true crime podcasts in the future where "john deliberately went beyond his 5K to get his hair cut during a pandemic"

"This is the story of how John became the worst serial killer that Termonfeckin has ever known"

"listening discretion is advised as this episode deals with horrific crimes some listeners may find disturbing"

bb1234567

Dublin is the most lively today that I've seen it since December. Gardai out in force moving on small groups of young people drinking/having a coffee together by the canal though

Lundstram

Great discussion on Matt Cooper’s show now regarding the loneliness of the 18-35 age group. A huge portion of this age group are single and don’t have any hope of changing that. Lots of people texting in saying they have no life.

Saddest one was the 34 year old truck driver who spends his time at work alone then gets home and spends that alone too. A whole year of that must be very hard and no end to it anytime soon either.

Very very sad. Not everyone is part of a family, in fact a huge majority of this age group isn’t.

Again gives more credence to fact young people have been royally screwed over for nearly a year now and the worst thing about it all is they have gotten 90% of the blame for these nonsense restrictions.

Hector Savage

Lundstram wrote: »

Great discussion on Matt Cooper’s show now regarding the loneliness of the 18-35 age group. A huge portion of this age group are single and don’t have any hope of changing that. Lots of people texting in saying they have no life.

Saddest one was the 34 year old truck driver who spends his time at work alone then gets home and spends that alone too. A whole year of that must be very hard and no end to it anytime soon either.

Very very sad. Not everyone is part of a family, in fact a huge majority of this age group isn’t.

Again gives more credence to fact young people have been royally screwed over for nearly a year now and the worst thing about it all is they have gotten 90% of the blame for these nonsense restrictions.

Indeed pure nonsense, do you remember in 2018 with a heavy flu season Leo begging nurses not to take holidays so they could deal with a overload of patients, at no point did they shame young people for spreading it .


Even after this is all over they will have the perfect excuse every winter to keep the hospitals from getting too busy. - just shame young people and lock everyone up.

Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

Even after this is all over they will have the perfect excuse every winter to keep the hospitals from getting too busy. - just shame young people and lock everyone up.

Concerned as I am about precedents being set right now, I'm somewhat confident that any democratic country that tried using lockdowns as a way of patching over a poorly-managed or underfunded health service would see their political landscape change quite rapidly.

bottlebrush

the kelt wrote: »

Funny things is its actually gone beyond that.

Its gone to the stage in many peoples eyes where its not even about saving lives its gone to "dont do this and you will definitely kill someone or multiple people"

Casefile will have true crime podcasts in the future where "john deliberately went beyond his 5K to get his hair cut during a pandemic"

"This is the story of how John became the worst serial killer that Termonfeckin has ever known"

"listening discretion is advised as this episode deals with horrific crimes some listeners may find disturbing"

As a fan of Casefile I read that in the hosts australian accent. And had a laugh out loud moment. Brilliant!

The Eternal Prefect, Ronan Glynn, appeared on the RTE news this evening and wasn't even grilled by David McCullough.

It was more of a shallow fry than a grilling.

RTE is effectively the broadcasting wing of NPHET; no contrary or serious questions asked from the opposing side.

uli84

As per journal - BUSINESS GROUPS HAVE urged the public not to defy lockdown rules following an orchestrated attempt by online activists in recent weeks calling on people to reopen non-essential retail and hospitality activity.

And in Poland the courts are busy with collective lawsuits from the business groups...

Boggles

uli84 wrote: »

As per journal - BUSINESS GROUPS HAVE urged the public not to defy lockdown rules following an orchestrated attempt by online activists in recent weeks calling on people to reopen non-essential retail and hospitality activity.

And in Poland the courts are busy with collective lawsuits from the business groups...

Also in Poland they are well on their way to a third wave and a reintroduction of restrictions.

Silly rabbits.

ingo1984

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Eternal Prefect, Ronan Glynn, appeared on the RTE news this evening and wasn't even grilled by David McCullough.

It was more of a shallow fry than a grilling.

RTE is effectively the broadcasting wing of NPHET; no contrary or serious questions asked from the opposing side.

What do you expect? Without government funding rte would cease to exist. Its the proverbial don't bite the hand that feeds you.

doc22

uli84 wrote: »

As per journal - BUSINESS GROUPS HAVE urged the public not to defy lockdown rules following an orchestrated attempt by online activists in recent weeks calling on people to reopen non-essential retail and hospitality activity.

And in Poland the courts are busy with collective lawsuits from the business groups...

Lots of people are kept sweet on PUP, TWSS,EWSS,CRSS and other money for nothing schemes. When the money runs out and it will eventually the gov and "groups" will have to face reality

uli84

uli84 wrote: »

As per journal - BUSINESS GROUPS HAVE urged the public not to defy lockdown rules following an orchestrated attempt by online activists in recent weeks calling on people to reopen non-essential retail and hospitality activity.

And in Poland the courts are busy with collective lawsuits from the business groups...

Business groups don’t want another surge delaying opening. With vaccines we are almost done. People are fearful a resurgence now will delay things further.

I believe to protective data we are already seeing in HCW will allow us to accelerate opening come April, however it’s not certain and a surge while most vulnerable are unvaccinated could set things back

Loafing Oaf

uli84 wrote: »

orchestrated attempt by online activists in recent weeks calling on people to reopen non-essential retail and hospitality activity.

They're wasting theirb breath, or the energy in their typing fingers. SME owners awould be about the very last cohort in Irish society to engage in 'civil disobedience'...

Lundstram

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Business groups don’t want another surge delaying opening. With vaccines we are almost done. People are fearful a resurgence now will delay things further.

So what you’re saying is let’s stay in lockdown to avoid.. ehh.. lockdown. Genius stuff.

Glad we pay 90 NPHET staff a handsome wage for this kind on outside the box thinking.

Priceless.

Graham

Lundstram wrote: »

So what you’re saying is let’s stay in lockdown to avoid.. ehh.. lockdown. Genius stuff.

Or

don't reopen too soon otherwise we'll be straight back into restrictions.

That sounds much more sensible doesn't it.

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

Or

don't reopen too soon otherwise we'll be straight back into restrictions.

That sounds much more sensible doesn't it.

So lockdown to avoid lockdown

Life is dangerous

Let’s continue to stop living it