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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Bound to happen given just how tricky this one is to store. Not good, but at least it is happening rarely.

    Yea, re-reporting of a story from last month that was widely reported at the time. Unfortunately, it now appears that the vaccines would have fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭JacksonHeightsOwn


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's barely out of its trials and unapproved by the EMA. It hasn't submitted an application to the EMA yet although a rolling review may start soon. We follow the EMA as do the vast majority of EU members.

    **** the ema, I'm not some anti EU man by the way, but they've dragged their heels on the vaccines, we all know that. If we had politicians with any civic pride they'd move heaven and earth to get vaccines here, h hi any means necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,450 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    ddarcy wrote: »
    With the US approving the Johnson and Johnson vaccination, we sound probably in March see it approved here as well.

    Also interesting that my parents in the US have been told that they are moving to only one vaccination for Pfizer/ Moderna as this is good enough (still 80%+ efficacy) and the Phase IV information is supporting it. So they’ll get it next week and won’t need a second dose. They’re based in California and my aunt in Massachusetts has been told the same so it all seems to be heading this way, along with the UK, so we could shortly be seeing this as the official guidelines worldwide. I’d say by April the official dosing guidelines will be changed, if the information coming back remains the same.

    That’s really interesting. Certainly will speed things along.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭conor_mc


    It was Slovakia. And did nothing to interrupt transmission with surged after the national test campaign

    I get your point, but was that a different outcome to PCR-tested countries that saw surges too?

    The positive outcome was that it identified and interrupted 47,000 otherwise invisible chains of transmission, at that point in time.

    I’m not advocating the same once-off approach per se, but there is an argument that as a complementary tactic, the widespread use of rapid antigen testing would help.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    If only we had a pro active government.

    Sputnik is a very good vaccine by all accounts

    What is the availability of the Sputnik vaccine and what portion of the Russian pop. has already been vaccinated? Come back when the answers of both of these questions is high, until then ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    conor_mc wrote: »
    I get your point, but was that a different outcome to PCR-tested countries that saw surges too?

    The positive outcome was that it identified and interrupted 47,000 otherwise invisible chains of transmission, at that point in time.

    I’m not advocating the same once-off approach per se, but there is an argument that as a complementary tactic, the widespread use of rapid antigen testing would help.

    I've long felt that it should be used in healthcare settings and to test casual contacts.

    I understand why they aren't used (false negative rate sufficiently high that there would be an increased level of risky behaviour with the belief, oh its OK I tested negative).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    That’s really interesting. Certainly will speed things along.

    Healthcare workers including myself , who have or may have had the infection previously have been reporting a greater reaction to the second dose of Pfizer .
    I reported this here a few weeks ago.
    Might mean that your body is reacting to that second dose strongly because it doesn't actually need it ?
    I would not be surprised if the second dose was deemed unnecessary for those who have already tested positive in the future , but that is my non expert opinion :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    Anybody have any good articles about the US emergency Johnson and Johnson approval.

    Not saying it's the wrong move but it seems a funny one considering there seems to be good data now that Astra Zeneca is effective whereas the headline efficiency rate of J and J doesn't seem that high, and yes I am aware of the fact that it's basically really hospitalisation that matters as a metric so no need to repeat that point.

    Basically I understand the rapid approval but I don't understand reasoning behind this not applying to other vaccines in US.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Anybody have any good articles about the US emergency Johnson and Johnson approval.

    Not saying it's the wrong move but it seems a funny one considering there seems to be good data now that Astra Zeneca is effective whereas the headline efficiency rate of J and J doesn't seem that high, and yes I am aware of the fact that it's basically really hospitalisation that matters as a metric so no need to repeat that point.

    Basically I understand the rapid approval but I don't understand reasoning behind this not applying to other vaccines in US.

    Off the top of my head they wanted trial data in a US setting before signing off on AZ


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Bound to happen given just how tricky this one is to store. Not good, but at least it is happening rarely.
    Yeah, unfortunate now with the quantities but back in January almost a case for criminal charges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    If only we had a pro active government.

    Sputnik is a very good vaccine by all accounts

    If it is a very good vaccine with proper testing and data to back it up, why have the Russians not asked for approval in any major market?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    If it is a very good vaccine with proper testing and data to back it up, why have the Russians not asked for approval in any major market?
    They did or they thought they had but uploaded it to the wrong server! It'll come but probably not for a while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They did or they thought they had but uploaded it to the wrong server! It'll come but probably not for a while.

    Yeah, like how believable is that?

    “We have no application received for Sputnik”
    “ we applied a few days ago”
    “ looks like you uploaded incorrectly”
    “Okay, we’ll reapply in a few weeks”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Yeah, like how believable is that?

    “We have no application received for Sputnik”
    “ we applied a few days ago”
    “ looks like you uploaded incorrectly”
    “Okay, we’ll reapply in a few weeks”
    The assertion is that they followed a now defunct process! EMA are talking to them and they should get a rolling review underway in the next while.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭ddarcy


    Anybody have any good articles about the US emergency Johnson and Johnson approval.

    Not saying it's the wrong move but it seems a funny one considering there seems to be good data now that Astra Zeneca is effective whereas the headline efficiency rate of J and J doesn't seem that high, and yes I am aware of the fact that it's basically really hospitalisation that matters as a metric so no need to repeat that point.

    Basically I understand the rapid approval but I don't understand reasoning behind this not applying to other vaccines in US.

    [url] https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-issues-emergency-use-authorization-third-covid-19-vaccine[/url]

    67% effective. Now before anyone complains, most flu vaccines are in the 50, low 60 % area.

    Personally I think it so become an annual vaccination, so this is really good on that front. Pfizer and Modena should also be looking for full authorisation soon as well. Especially with 2+ months of more data.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,945 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Where are we at in the vaccination queue here as I haven't a notion.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Where are we at in the vaccination queue here as I haven't a notion.
    First and second shots for care homes and HCWs, first shots for over 80s.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    On 30 April, HCW, 70+ & Medically vulnerable should be fully inoculated?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    On 30 April, HCW, 70+ & Medically vulnerable should be fully inoculated?

    No - over 70s won’t all have second dose until mid May.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    On 30 April, HCW, 70+ & Medically vulnerable should be fully inoculated?
    HCWs yeah but maybe well into May for over 70s and others, as they won't start for a few weeks anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    How long does immunity take after the one shot J&J? 3 weeks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    How long does immunity take after the one shot J&J? 3 weeks?

    28 days apparently, throw a load of J&J into people late March and we'll have them covered by end of April.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56226979
    The European Medicines Agency could approve the drug for the EU in early March, with a speedy rollout to follow, French Industry Minister Agnès Pannier-Runacher said on Sunday.

    Now that is important. It seems the production problems in the US may not necessarily extend to Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan



    Not only that, as the FT are reporting here:
    - Czech Republic have reached an agreement with Israel to obtain vaccines.
    - Czech Republic have reached an agreement with the German state of Saxony to obtain vaccines. (I guess unused Oxford AZ vaccines).

    Czech Republic are thinking outside of the EU supply box. I like it.

    Are Ireland speaking to Israel? Saxony? US? etc about excess supply?

    Ireland should copy the Czech Republic approach and get vaccines from countries with excess supply. I appreciate that we will have floods of vaccines by June but every sooner vaccine matters with getting us back to normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    If the Germans are as reported sitting on 1.5 Million doeses for AZ that they can't administer for whatever reason, not giving it to over 65's., The population don't want it etc. Would it not make sense to have these redirected to other EU countries that would take them. Ie Us. Or am I missing something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56226979



    Now that is important. It seems the production problems in the US may not necessarily extend to Europe.
    Well, the EMA approval is expected to be 11 March anyway with deliveries planned from April.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Caquas wrote: »
    As you know it was Embraer’s chart that had its figures wrong, showing the Lithuanian figure for Ireland. And, as I said. that didn’t change my key point - there were no grounds for calling our vaccine rollout “exceptionally good”

    At least we seem to have gone beyond the premature self-congratulations here and the “how many times must I tell you” or “ignore him” nonsense.

    I never claimed to have all the answers but I don’t think the British would accept your explanations for their success. And Embraer’s chart did have an important message if s/he wasn’t so complacent. Some of the largest EU countries are not administering the AstraZeneca vaccine efficiently. Why can’t we get their stocks?
    Europe’s AstraZeneca stockpile mounts as citizens snub jab https://on.ft.com/3ksLM9K
    And just to be clear, I’d be delighted and impressed if we achieve the 82% target set by the Taoiseach by the end of June. Hell, I’d be impressed if it’s only 81.7% on 1 July. :cool:


    The chart wasn't wrong, you were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Government thinking of considering vaccine green cards :

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40235168.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,062 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56226979



    Now that is important. It seems the production problems in the US may not necessarily extend to Europe.

    Wasn't there something about EU doses having to be shipped to the US for fill and finish. At which point, I'm pretty sure US will take them if they're not getting theirs.


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