COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

PhilOssophy

Carefree88 wrote: »

Not impressive in my opinion

Its still only 60% vaccinated end of July

UK almost at that now, as are Chile, USA too, Israel way past it

4 months for us to do it, poor supply still

UK nowhere near 60% fully vaccinated and still playing with fire regarding the introduction of variants, etc with the longer gap between the jabs.

I think fair play to our lads, at least they sticking to the best practices and clinical trials regarding our vaccine. Politically the UK approach looks good, that's about it

namloc1980

JTMan wrote: »

Austria in talks to buy a million doses of Russia's Sputnik V vaccine according to this Reuters report.

Hungary (deployed), Slovakia and Italian region of Campania (will deploy after EMA approval) have also purchased. Czech Republic in talks too.

Meanwhile, Russia has only inoculated a tiny potion of their population and is reliant on imports to meet domestic supply but yet wants to supply the EU.

The Slovakian government collapsed over the way the Russian vaccine was procured.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.euronews.com/amp/2021/03/28/slovakia-s-prime-minister-to-step-down-amid-sputnik-v-vaccine-scandal

hynesie08

eoinbn wrote: »

Lack of people to vaccinate. Anyone that gets AZ in May/June will need to wait until August/September for the second dose. If AZ deliver that will be hundreds of thousands of people. Couple that with 1m people getting J&J in Q2 + July and you run out of adults. It is likely we will be vaccinating teenagers at that stage but that isn't official.

Gotta remember that when AZ first doses are done, you can reduce the timeframe for second doses and your entire supply becomes dose 2.

It won't be 12 weeks from last first dose to last second, it'll potentially be 6 weeks.

Economics101

Given the overwhelming increase in risk of serious illness and death correlated with age, I can see why the HSE is going with an age-related strategy instead of occupation, etc. However the correlation with age weakens quite a lot once you get down to 40-45. At that stage it might be worth considering reversing the order and start on the 16-20, 21-25, etc, as these age groups are less likely to socially distance. Among the young it is quite likely that behaviour and occupation are factors which should be taken into account in determining vaccination priority.

eoinbn

hynesie08 wrote: »

Gotta remember that when AZ first doses are done, you can reduce the timeframe for second doses and your entire supply becomes dose 2.

It won't be 12 weeks from last first dose to last second, it'll potentially be 6 weeks.

AZ are saying they a gap of 12 weeks is optimal for efficacy so it might be counter productive. The US trials showed 76% efficacy with a 4 week gap. AZ claim 82% with a 12 week gap.
The point I am making here is that it won't be a lack of supply that limits our efforts in July. We will likely have access to more vaccines in July that June but we might not need them.

Micky 32

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1376972312487006219?s=21

Micky 32

R number dropping further in Israel :

https://twitter.com/stevebrown2856/status/1376828574330720256?s=21

nocoverart

This is the one Covid thread I will actually miss when this sh1tstorm is over, which is bizarre because like most, i’ll be glad to never utter/type Covid again for the rest of my existence. I appreciate the level headedness and factuality on here above anything else... if it wasn’t for this thread I’d probably be scared sh1tless every time I heard variant or “new virus” from the media or the gutter threads on this forum.

josip

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

I am of the mind that anyone who refuses a vaccine should be put to the back of the line.

Refusing a vaccine that some would give kidney for, maybe go check that privilege there mate.

I will be out of Ireland for most of July and August.
If I get offered a vaccine before I travel, I may have to refuse it if the 2nd dose would be scheduled while I'm away.
So for example, if I was offered BioNTech mid June I would have to refuse.
Whereas I would be able to accept (gladly) Oxford or J&J.

degsie

Economics101 wrote: »

At that stage it might be worth considering reversing the order and start on the 16-20, 21-25, etc, as these age groups are less likely to socially distance. Among the young it is quite likely that behaviour and occupation are factors which should be taken into account in determining vaccination priority.

Why do people pander to those who couldn't give a toss as to whether you live or die! Are you seriously suggesting that the younger age groups do not understand the implications of their behavior? Of course they do but they have been brought up believing that they are the most precious thing on this earth, and NOTHING else matters. Leave them till last I say!

Chris_5339762

Well, I've posted in here a couple of times about my 73 and 74 year old parents and vaccines.

Apparently their age group started yesterday on the 29th. So I got them to ring the GP this afternoon to inquire.

They've been told their GP practice is getting no vaccines AT ALL for the next two weeks. Their names are on the list, but not at the top thats for sure.

They won't have their first dose by the middle of April. Thats a bit of a disgrace really. One of them is scared to all hell as she only ever watches RTE and barely leaves the house. Refuses to allow my dad into the shops, I have to do it all (I was done as a HCW in January).

She also has Parkinsons but isn't into the hospital system to be put into Category 4 yet, so the waiting game will continue with more and more fear/panic/hysteria. Ugh.

josip

Will the first 'new' Cohort be 55-64 ? (even though this was also a cohort under the previous system)
And then 45-54, 35-44...
According to the CSO, there are 626,000 in the 45-54 cohort.
Looking forward to an updated SBB infographic that also takes into account where we are, and expected supply.

stephenjmcd

New cohorts

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1376990535148302336?s=19

PhoenixParker

Wtf is the point of group 5?
Can’t believe they didn’t just get rid of it when they were updating.

PhoenixParker

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Well, I've posted in here a couple of times about my 73 and 74 year old parents and vaccines.

Apparently their age group started yesterday on the 29th. So I got them to ring the GP this afternoon to inquire.

They've been told their GP practice is getting no vaccines AT ALL for the next two weeks. Their names are on the list, but not at the top thats for sure.

They won't have their first dose by the middle of April. Thats a bit of a disgrace really. One of them is scared to all hell as she only ever watches RTE and barely leaves the house. Refuses to allow my dad into the shops, I have to do it all (I was done as a HCW in January).

She also has Parkinsons but isn't into the hospital system to be put into Category 4 yet, so the waiting game will continue with more and more fear/panic/hysteria. Ugh.

Guarantee you this is what they always say. Otherwise half their patients would be ringing every day and there’d be a big group whining that they’re not in this days group or the next days group. . . It might be close to the truth or they might be getting 1000 doses tomorrow but they haven’t put the list together yet.

lbj666

degsie wrote: »

Why do people pander to those who couldn't give a toss as to whether you live or die! Are you seriously suggesting that the younger age groups do not understand the implications of their behavior? Of course they do but they have been brought up believing that they are the most precious thing on this earth, and NOTHING else matters. Leave them till last I say!

Thankfully such decisions aren't based on such "youth of today" reasoning, rather it based on what data is available. In which case given the 40+s are around double as likely to end up in hospital so its unlikely that priorities will be flipped.

titan18

16-25 will be unlikely to be done before end of June then I'd say. Others hopefully will get a dose.

For cohort 7, do we know do people contacts the GP individually or will GPs get in contact?

Wolf359f

titan18 wrote: »

For cohort 7, do we know do people contacts the GP individually or will GPs get in contact?

I'm not sure how it will be done. I'd be cohort 7, but it's been the hospital dealing with me. My own GP wouldn't even know I'm on medication that makes me cohort 7, not the illness/disease.

Dressoutlet

From a GP I follow on Instagram

Chris_5339762

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Guarantee you this is what they always say. Otherwise half their patients would be ringing every day and there’d be a big group whining that they’re not in this days group or the next days group. . . It might be close to the truth or they might be getting 1000 doses tomorrow but they haven’t put the list together yet.

I hope so. They are both extremely demoralised this evening.

titan18

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm not sure how it will be done. I'd be cohort 7, but it's been the hospital dealing with me. My own GP wouldn't even know I'm on medication that makes me cohort 7, not the illness/disease.

Ya, I'd be cohort 7 cos of BMI so my GP would know that at least as had a blood test and check up back in December and I was over 35 then so not sure what the situation is.

Marhay70

degsie wrote: »

Why do people pander to those who couldn't give a toss as to whether you live or die! Are you seriously suggesting that the younger age groups do not understand the implications of their behavior? Of course they do but they have been brought up believing that they are the most precious thing on this earth, and NOTHING else matters. Leave them till last I say!

That young people consider themselves indestructible is a well known fact, I know I felt that way when I was younger.

hmmm

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1376972312487006219?s=21

I think people are underestimating what incredible news this is. A complete game-changer. RTE haven't mentioned it have they?

The vaccines also seem to be handily dealing with known variants.

The news this week has been amazing - we're getting out of this once enough get vaccinated.

hmmm

Carefree88 wrote: »

MM said vaccinated people can meet on TV today, did you miss it?

Think he even quoted CDC to the press as his reasoning

That was the US position last week.

The CDC this week have confidently said that the vaccines also stop transmission. In theory a vaccinated person could safely meet unvaccinated people (note do not do this without proper medical confirmation ).

hmmm

Biontech/Pfizer have increased their production target to 2.5 billion.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-30/biontech-raises-2021-covid-vaccine-target-to-2-5-billion-doses

"“We are seeing an increased demand,” BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin said in an interview. “At the moment we have prepared ourselves to produce 2.5 billion doses, but in principle there is room for further increase.”

Micky 32

hmmm wrote: »

I think people are underestimating what incredible news this is. A complete game-changer. RTE haven't mentioned it have they?

The vaccines also seem to be handily dealing with known variants.

The news this week has been amazing - we're getting out of this once enough get vaccinated.

According to MM today “vaccines are our way out”

Micky 32

Carefree88 wrote: »

I know a girl that got both doses and got Covid positive last week in her work which is a nursing home, with symptoms, that's why she was tested.

She can't spread it? She has symptoms, she's sick like.

In theory then a vaccinated person can work in a Covid ward maskless if they can't get it or spread it.

Would you work in a covid ward maskless with just a vaccine as protection?

How long you think you would last without getting infected?

Anecdotally just like your story, i read about 3 people who tested positive after vaccination ( only mild symptoms) but their close contacts or anyone else never caught the virus off them.

Micky 32

Carefree88 wrote: »

That's pretty common alright, happened in my house

..and a lot more common in vaccinated people. The CDC confirmed that too.

dominatinMC

Carefree88 wrote: »

MM said vaccinated people can meet on TV today, did you miss it?

Think he even quoted CDC to the press as his reasoning

I think this was the first time since all of this kicked off that we were told people could meet inside without distancing or masks. That light is getting closer.

User142

hmmm wrote: »

I think people are underestimating what incredible news this is. A complete game-changer. RTE haven't mentioned it have they?

The vaccines also seem to be handily dealing with known variants.

The news this week has been amazing - we're getting out of this once enough get vaccinated.

Under the vaccine role out plan until today.....

Aged 18-54 years who did not have access to the vaccine in prior phases
Rationale

If evidence demonstrates the vaccine(s) prevent transmission, those aged 18-34 should be prioritised due to their increased level of social contact and role in transmission.

Ethical Principles

The principle of minimising harm is relevant should it become clear that a vaccine can impact on transmission of the virus as this would indirectly protect the most vulnerable in society as well as restore social and economic activity.

Today the government completely through this out the window without giving a reason. That's why the state broadcaster is not highlighting it.
The government threw the age group least likely to vote for them to the back of the queue today without an eyelid being batted.