What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330640#Comment_118330640

No it wasn't.

It was to highlight that foreign powers had had illegal influences over the election process and to figure out who and how and to ensure that it couldn't happen again. They never questioned the result of the vote, at least not more than for a few surprised moments immediately after the election.

There were no attempts to get the results changed, just to ensure that foreign influences wouldn't be allowed again.

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330698#Comment_118330698

You fudged the answer to be obtuse because your argument that 'both sides are just as bad as each other' fails to stand up when faced with any scrutiny. So are you going to explain what gerrimandering is and give an american example? in your own words?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330803#Comment_118330803

there are a couple of examples in this article. All by republicans of course so doesn't really support a "both sides" argument

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2021/nov/12/gerrymander-redistricting-map-republicans-democrats-visual

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330803#Comment_118330803

We both know what gerrymandering is, or do you not? And if you don't, a simple Google will tell you.

As for an American example, sure, here you are.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/illinois-redistricting-map-2021-gerrymandering-2022-election/11180225/

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330839#Comment_118330839

Yet they are doing, such as in Illinois (see above). Just goes to show you what selective reporting by media outlets can do.

Hoop66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329553#Comment_118329553

Love it. Similar, but a wee bit less subtle, when he visited Scotland.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331064#Comment_118331064

The best defence to libel is that it is a true statement....

TheIrishGrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331103#Comment_118331103

Not true. If trump was, then he'd be grabbing himself like Michael Jackson doing Smooth Criminal. Because, long before he was a failed president, he was a self-admitted sexual assaulter. Let's not forget that.... And they STILL voted him in... and then out.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330928#Comment_118330928

You initial claim were that they were as bad as each other. We all know about the GOP gerrymandering, and now supporting a man that tried to illegally overturn the result of an election.

What examples of the Democrats do you have that make them equal in your eyes?

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331364#Comment_118331364

The Democrats have, and are, Gerrymandering aswell. I've given an example above.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331746#Comment_118331746

It's good to see the Dems finally playing the same game as the Republicans. For decades they have been getting screwed because they wouldn't get down in the gutter.

Kaybaykwah

You can probably buy old Chump University bachelors certificates online for cheap. You can’t find old Chump rump steaks online. That doesn’t mean the Chump brand is not bankable. Lawl.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331746#Comment_118331746

The Pelosi example? I must have missed the actual evidence because that is not it surely?

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331875#Comment_118331875

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7chicago.com/amp/illinois-redistricting-map-2021-gerrymandering-2022-election/11180225/

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331933#Comment_118331933

So something that the party leadership is vocally against according to the article, and reading between the lines of the article sounds as if the local Democrats haven't done a particularly successful job of re mapping compared to Republican efforts in other states.

Still bad obviously, not anywhere near the same scale though.

salmocab

Gerrymandering is the most undemocratic bit of democracy since some idiot said I’ve had an idea for a college system of votes to pick a president. It’s a scummy thing to do and is in general done by people clinging to power somewhere or to suppress people and their rights. It has an odd legitimacy in America like it’s an accepted part of how things should be done. How a country that likes to think it’s a great democracy can accept it is really just showing that they say democracy but really mean democracy that keeps out lot in charge.

Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297485#Comment_118297485

If Trump runs 2024. DeSantis will not beat Trump in Republican primary. Maybe Trump will select him as his vice president running mate? Maybe not. Trump may want a woman to attract Republican and Independent women.

Doubtful that DeSantis will be able to use Covid prevention or mediation as a platform plank. He has been threatening school district administrators by saying he will withhold their pay if they mandate mask wearing in their Florida school districts. "The preponderance of evidence indicates that mask wearing reduces transmissibility" of Covid and its variations. DeSantis chooses politics over science for Florida's citizens.

Ref: https://www.pnas.org/content/118/4/e2014564118

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329553#Comment_118329553

"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding. He spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren't an issue, why wouldn't he just solve it? I wish he would because if he doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts."

-Trump on his suspicions about Obama's nationality.

It's really amazing some of the lies Trump has told down the years that not only were they completely demonstrable ones, but Trump was just able to drop them and never say a word about them again when something else came along. But I suppose that's what happens when you tell so many whoppers. No one whopper tends to have as much of an impact.

Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118297626#Comment_118297626

Your claim obviously ignores Trump's January 6 rally. Followed by the storming of Congress while in session by Trump's supporters.

phater phagan

Many of the Trumpists know that he has shown them a roadmap of how the party can stay in power, even though it's in the minority. They know that the demographics are against them, but he has has gotten away with everything, and they know if they follow the same path, they as well, will also get away with it. It is happening in every state, and even in the US congress.

Trumpism is becoming a greater growth, even without him. If the Republicans take over the House and the Senate and take over the government, then help us all. Canada will be our saviour in that case, because they will become the only the sensible government in North America.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118332646#Comment_118332646

Think Nikki Haley would be forerunner if she doesn't end up going for the nominee herself. If she does, she'll tick a lot of boxes for them in terms of she's female, she's a Trump fan, can appeal to minorities and she has history both as a Governor and UN representative.

I expect Mike Pence to try to make a primary run for the Presidential nomination as well but think he is too easy to negate with claims of lack of loyalty towards the base. But, curiously, if Trump is ruled out for some reason, Pence might appeal to Republicans looking to bring the party back towards the center even as DeSantis will be trying to stick to Trumps playbook.

Expect Kemp and Abbott will probably also be in the mix and probably Chris Christie with a nonsensical attempt once again.

I hope the eat themselves from within throughout the primary, but, if Trump is any way feasible for the actual election and has no health issues, the primary will be a non-contest.

The Raging Bile Duct

I don't know how Pence could be considered a candidate to bring the party back to the centre. He's a hardcore evangelical tea party ballsack.

Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118333527#Comment_118333527

If the Republican Trump voting block led to civil war should they violently dispute the 2024 election, this may push for CalExit. It's the only state that could realistically become a nation. Highly diverse economy. Heavy Pacific Rim trade. Largest combined seaport revenues. Largest agricultural state in US. One the the world's largest R&D tech centers (Silicon Valley, etc). About 5th in world GDP. 63.5% of Californians voted Biden 2020 (11,110,250 votes). Reuters/Ipsos poll published in January 2017 showed 32% of Californians supporting CalExit, up from 20% in 2014 (thanks to Trump). CalExit platform poorly developed and poorly funded. Would require a referendum with 55 percent vote to secede, plus US Congress favorable legislation, presidential signature, followed by 38 states to ratify. Add questionable secession rights since the Civil War. Stacked Republican Supreme Court would try to block it, as CalExit would probably throw the remaining 49 states into the worse depression in history. Today CalExit is a joke. But it's fun to fictionalize.

phater phagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118333963#Comment_118333963

I love it. It should be a TV comedy feature.

extra gravy

https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1471494584911859712?t=BGa8hovuaXdveAPNbs0lUg&s=19

Hope he bankrupts himself, the nutcase.

Black Swan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118333527#Comment_118333527

Ask the Vietnam war draft dodgers. Many fled to Canada. They were welcomed as many were highly educated. A win win for both. If the USA follows the dictatorship trend in the world, once again Canada may become a safe haven for those escaping supreme leader worshippers.

Black Swan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118333587#Comment_118333587

Haley “Talks the talk. Looks the look. Walks the walk.” She is experientially more qualified than Trump was when he ran 2016. And she does not have all the bloody baggage that Trump has today. She would draw women voters across the lines. Was also a strong candidate of the Republican Tea Party.

But she strongly criticized Trump during an interview with Politico citing the 6 January insurrection saying: “He went down a path he shouldn’t have, and we shouldn’t followed him, and we shouldn’t have listened to him. And we can’t let that ever happen again.” See The Hill 2 December 2021.

francois

More evidence of electoral fraud

https://t.co/eKOE5juaRm

Igotadose

Well, seems like the rats that got involved with the SPAC are turning on it. The guy suing here deserves no sympathy, 'lay down with dogs get up with fleas' and all, but this I think is the first of many lawsuits that'll bring the SPAC down.

Like all of #2xIMPOTUS's businesses, it ends up in a bonfire of lawsuits.

https://www.axios.com/trump-spac-deal-fraud-lawsuit-shevland-9f7f811e-36a2-4a97-b37a-b1537063caac.html

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118334621#Comment_118334621

Unfortunately, Trumpification is seeping over the border into Canada. Especially in oil rich province of Alberta, which is essentially turning into a mirror of Texas.