Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

frozen3

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Aye, we have gone down a bad path over the last year and I don't see us going back. People are so easily brainwashed and anyone who questions anything is berated or censored. We are living in 1984

Its an interesting question alright

Will lockdowns will be part of our lives now and will more follow for a variety of different reasons?

Do people see this lockdown as being the last level 5 lockdown in our lifetime or is it only the beginning?

SnuggyBear

frozen3 wrote: »

Its an interesting question alright

Will lockdowns will be part of our lives now and will more follow for a variety of different reasons?

Do people see this lockdown as being the last level 5 lockdown in our lifetime or is it only the beginning?

I see them being used again anyway. I expect us to be in lockdown next Christmas and wear masks in the winter from now on. They are seen as tools now by the government.

landofthetree

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I see them being used again anyway. I expect us to be in lockdown next Christmas and wear masks in the winter from now on. They are seen as tools now by the government.

Even if Covid vaccines work plus we find a treatment( a study in Israel looks very promising) I think you might be right.

They will want a lockdown to flatten the curse for flu and other respiratory infections.

Clonmel1000

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I see them being used again anyway. I expect us to be in lockdown next Christmas and wear masks in the winter from now on. They are seen as tools now by the government.

Just imagine the sort of sad bastard who wants masks and lockdowns to become part of our lives. This whole pandemic has shown a lot of people in a very strange light.

Dickie10

that wont happen. people can wear them if they want come june i wont be

Aph2016

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Once again on this thread, it’s very easy to spot the people that are not financially impacted by Covid. Possibly not even too much social impact either.

And in a lot of cases, a lot of the same people are comfortable in life.

They don’t care about construction or the biggest housing crisis the country has ever seen.

They may even be benefiting from both crisis.

Agreed.

SnuggyBear

Dickie10 wrote: »

that wont happen. people can wear them if they want come june i wont be

I hope so but let's see come June.

SnuggyBear

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I see them being used again anyway. I expect us to be in lockdown next Christmas and wear masks in the winter from now on. They are seen as tools now by the government.

I do have this fear to some extent. But I think the Covid bill will finally make people see sense.

Nobody would ever bother to run or work in a pub, restaurant, hotel, barber, gym or even retail if that sort of uncertainty remained longer term.

And masks would be one big nail in the coffin of retail. I don’t see any retail outlet hitting 2019 level of sales with mandatory masks.

At some point, we’ll have to put on the big boy pants and be adults again.

landofthetree

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Just imagine the sort of sad bastard who wants masks and lockdowns to become part of our lives. This whole pandemic has shown a lot of people in a very strange light.

Restrictions will be the perfect tool going foward to help out a failing health system through winter.

It will be cheered on by politicians who know they can't fix the system.

Graham

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I expect us to be in lockdown next Christmas and wear masks in the winter from now on. They are seen as tools now by the government.

I'm probably going to regret asking but....

'tools' for what?

SnuggyBear

Graham wrote: »

I'm probably going to regret asking but....

'tools' for what?

I'm not bothered answering someone who starts a question like that

Graham

SnuggyBear wrote: »

I'm not bothered answering someone who starts a question like that

Given where 'tools of the government' typically leads, it's probably as well.

PTH2009

No way would I live through times with constant lockdowns.

JRant

Leo talked about "growth" being one of the mechanism for getting out of the economic downturn. Well, government need to set the stage and provide confidence in the economy to help this occur. What sane person would even think about setting up a business until restrictions are completely taken off the table.

What business is going to invest future development in this country if restrictions are to be a medium term plan for the government.

Unless those in government come out with very clear statements around restrictions towards the end of this summer then it's going to be bleak on the economic front as growth will stall and tax increases and cuts to services will be the only gig in town for a couple of years at a minimum.

So, yeah, let's aim for growth but to do that we need to remove restrictions on all businesses this year or it could have serious long term implications.

Kunta Kinte

Penfailed wrote: »

I really don't get this mentality. You've posted similar a few times. You are going to gloat when everyone (including yourself presumably) feels the pinch. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The self hate displayed in his posts is very sad to read. Worse still there are the usual suspects here who are lapping it up.

Graham

JRant wrote: »

Leo talked about "growth" being one of the mechanism for getting out of the economic downturn. Well, government need to set the stage and provide confidence in the economy to help this occur. What sane person would even think about setting up a business until restrictions are completely taken off the table.

I'm not sure anyone is expecting much growth until as you say restrictions are off the table.

On the other hand, those with the resources and the balls might be well placed to start now ready to make the most of restrictions easing/lifting.

Kunta Kinte

PTH2009 wrote: »

No way would I live through times with constant lockdowns.

What other choice would you have if that came to pass?

JRant

Graham wrote: »

I'm not sure anyone is expecting much growth until as you say restrictions are off the table.

On the other hand, those with the resources and the balls might be well placed to start now ready to make the most of restrictions easing/lifting.

Indeed, you would need your own seed capital as I'd imagine presenting any business plan to a bank for start up finance would be a wasted effort.

Graham

JRant wrote: »

Indeed, you would need your own seed capital as I'd imagine presenting any business plan to a bank for start up finance would be a wasted effort.

At the best of times looking to a bank for start up finance is almost absurdly optimistic.

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

What other choice would you have if that came to pass?

Live in a different country

SnuggyBear

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Live in a different country

I've been thinking about that but I'm not sure where I would go. I like Ireland, well the old Ireland not this ****.

SafeSurfer

Graham wrote: »

I'm not sure anyone is expecting much growth until as you say restrictions are off the table.

On the other hand, those with the resources and the balls might be well placed to start now ready to make the most of restrictions easing/lifting.

You mean like after the last crash where vulture funds and speculators picked, tax free over the carcass of the Irish economy?

pjohnson

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Just imagine the sort of sad bastard who wants masks and lockdowns to become part of our lives. This whole pandemic has shown a lot of people in a very strange light.

Well if you think thats a "sad bastard" I wonder what you guys think of those looking forward and getting excited about a recession and hoping for people to suffer.

Ye dont mind that at all.

Windmill100000

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

What other industries that require physical attendance but do not involve interaction with the public have been closed down?

Govt should never act based on headlines.

They didn't make a decision on headlines. The decision was made on the facts behind the headlines. Geez.

Kunta Kinte

pjohnson wrote: »

Well if you think thats a "sad bastard" I wonder what you guys think of those looking forward and getting excited about a recession and hoping for people to suffer.

Ye dont mind that at all.

Don`t expect the usual suspects here to answer that. As per usual they will refuse to acknowledge it.

walus

Graham wrote: »

At the best of times looking to a bank for start up finance is almost absurdly optimistic.

I remember quite well like in 2013 to get a 250k loan from BOI to help with a business buyout I would have to deposit 250k with the very same bank. And that was in 2013! When these guys shut the credit window, they shut it for long. Not to mention that the only thing they understand is properties - a safe heaven, low risk, guaranteed gain.

walus

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You mean like after the last crash where vulture funds and speculators picked, tax free over the carcass of the Irish economy?

Yup, they will be there again ready to transfer the wealth of struggling middle class upwards. And nothing is going to stop them.

Clonmel1000

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Just imagine the sort of sad bastard who wants masks and lockdowns to become part of our lives. This whole pandemic has shown a lot of people in a very strange light.

Who are these imaginary people?

FlubberJones

So now they're talking about not easing restrictions in March, "slow going in reductions".... lockdowns aren't working at this stage.... They are too slow and thus keep having to be extended.

Graham

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

Just imagine the sort of sad bastard who wants masks and lockdowns to become part of our lives.

You mean pretty much nobody then.

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

This whole pandemic has shown a lot of people in a very strange light.

Indeed