Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

ypres5 wrote: »

so what's the logic in having non essential factories warehouses, etc open ? last time i checked an xbox or a pair of headphones from Harvey Norman weren't essential

Do Harvey Norman only sell those 2 items?

ypres5

Boggles wrote: »

Do Harvey Norman only sell those 2 items?

im just using them as an example. what about gamestop or bookshops if you want to be nitpicking about it what do they sell that's essential?

Boggles

ypres5 wrote: »

im just using them as an example. what about gamestop or bookshops if you want to be nitpicking about it what do they sell that's essential?

You're nitpicking. You could have said oven or washing machine.

But do I really need to explain the difference between a contractor or team of contractors who may travel to multiple sites a week across multiple counties to someone who works in a static Harvey Norman warehouse?

Some very strange and pedantic logic in here today. Not surprising I guess.

Ireland is the only country in Europe to close wet pubs for almost a year.
Pedantic response: They were actually open for 2 weeks outside Dublin.

Ireland is the only country in Europe to close construction in 2021.
Pedantic response: Well not ALL construction is closed.

All schools are closed in Ireland.
Pedantic response: Schools are not closed for teachers.

Ireland has over 20% of our workforce unemployed. Predicted that it could reach 28%.
Pedantic response: Well, at least the majority are still working.

Some of you folks are living in cuckoo land. You really just don’t see what is happening from your own little bubbles do you?

Anything more than 20% unemployment for a sustained period of time will be a f*cking catastrophe for the country. These people will eventually start defaulting financially.

We have the longest and strictest lockdown in all of Europe. We deem it necessary to take extra steps it seems.

A day of reckoning is coming soon. And as Leo says meekly... “We hope to avoid Austerity “

Graham

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Care to expand?

Most offices are not public facing, all closed.

Graham

Boggles wrote: »

Do Harvey Norman only sell those 2 items?

Now the chocolate biscuit argument has bellyflopped we're swapping to the electrical equivalent :rolleyes:

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Some very strange and pedantic logic in here today. Not surprising I guess.

Ireland is the only country in Europe to close wet pubs for almost a year.
Pedantic response: They were actually open for 2 weeks outside Dublin.

Ireland is the only country in Europe to close construction in 2021.
Pedantic response: Well not ALL construction is closed.

All schools are closed in Ireland.
Pedantic response: Schools are not closed for teachers.

Ireland has over 20% of our workforce unemployed. Predicted that it could reach 28%.
Pedantic response: Well, at least the majority are still working.

Some of you folks are living in cuckoo land. You really just don’t see what is happening from your own little bubbles do you?

Anything more than 20% unemployment for a sustained period of time will be a f*cking catastrophe for the country. These people will eventually start defaulting financially.

We have the longest and strictest lockdown in all of Europe. We deem it necessary to take extra steps it seems.

A day of reckoning is coming soon. And as Leo says meekly... “We hope to avoid Austerity “

Pedantic mode: Nearly everything you mention was not posted by anyone.

Now why the constant need to judge and label people you know absolutely nothing about?

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Some very strange and pedantic logic in here today. Not surprising I guess.

Ireland is the only country in Europe to close wet pubs for almost a year.
Pedantic response: They were actually open for 2 weeks outside Dublin.

Ireland is the only country in Europe to close construction in 2021.
Pedantic response: Well not ALL construction is closed.

All schools are closed in Ireland.
Pedantic response: Schools are not closed for teachers.

Ireland has over 20% of our workforce unemployed. Predicted that it could reach 28%.
Pedantic response: Well, at least the majority are still working.

Some of you folks are living in cuckoo land. You really just don’t see what is happening from your own little bubbles do you?

So all facts are now pedantic.

That's an odd position to take.

What is it you have against facts?

ypres5

Boggles wrote: »

You're nitpicking. You could have said oven or washing machine.

But do I really need to explain the difference between a contractor or team of contractors who may travel to multiple sites a week across multiple counties to someone who works in a static Harvey Norman warehouse?

okay since you insist on making everything absolutely literal why are warehouses accommodating the transportation of non essential goods open? it doesn't matter whether it's Harvey Norman gamestop or whatever retailer it doesn't matter

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

Now the chocolate biscuit argument has bellyflopped we're swapping to the electrical equivalent :rolleyes:

what the actual good itself is doesn't matter. if we're so concerned about essential/non essential how come the sale of non essential foods still going ahead in supermarkets? tea isn't essential nor is chocolate i hope my point is broken down enough for you and others now

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pedantic mode: Nearly everything you mention was not posted by anyone.

Now why the constant need to judge and label people you know absolutely nothing about?

You should read the thread.
Seriously, give it a read.

josip

Graham wrote: »

Now the chocolate biscuit argument has bellyflopped we're swapping to the electrical equivalent :rolleyes:

To simplify it a bit then, if it's basically about restricting movement as you repeat, why are supermarkets open?
Shouldn't we be clamouring to close them and move to home delivery only for a few weeks?

Penfailed

josip wrote: »

To simplify it a bit then, if it's basically about restricting movement as you repeat, why are supermarkets open?
Shouldn't we be clamouring to close them and move to home delivery only for a few weeks?

They struggled with home delivery in the initial lockdown and that was just for those cocooning. Can you imagine what that would be like if it was for everyone?

Graham

josip wrote: »

To simplify it a bit then, if it's basically about restricting movement as you repeat, why are supermarkets open?

Eating is essential.

Boggles

ypres5 wrote: »

okay since you insist on making everything absolutely literal why are warehouses accommodating the transportation of non essential goods open? it doesn't matter whether it's Harvey Norman gamestop or whatever retailer it doesn't matter

Because they are allowed to obviously.

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

what the actual good itself is doesn't matter. if we're so concerned about essential/non essential how come the sale of non essential foods still going ahead in supermarkets? tea isn't essential nor is chocolate i hope my point is broken down enough for you and others now

Eating is essential. Separating edibles into essential/non-essential is going to have limited impact on the spread of a virus and would likely result in shortages of some foods.

You're not stupid, why even pretend about this?

Loafing Oaf

Graham wrote: »

Eating is essential. Separating edibles into essential/non-essential is going to have limited impact on the spread of a virus and would likely result in shortages of some foods.

Plus would likely increase the risk of virus transmission by confining shoppers into a smaller floor space...

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

Eating is essential. Separating edibles into essential/non-essential is going to have limited impact on the spread of a virus and would likely result in shortages of some foods.

You're not stupid, why even pretend about this?

stuff like confectionery is often separate in its own aisle so that can be closed off. same with tea coffee alcohol etc. im just using the same logic we're using for construction

Boggles

ypres5 wrote: »

stuff like confectionery is often separate in its own aisle so that can be closed off. same with tea coffee alcohol etc. im just using the same logic we're using for construction

It really isn't, you are trying to equate a team of mobile contractors with a box of tea.

It is hilarious though, so keep going.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

what the actual good itself is doesn't matter. if we're so concerned about essential/non essential how come the sale of non essential foods still going ahead in supermarkets? tea isn't essential nor is chocolate i hope my point is broken down enough for you and others now

Oh they understand your point. But they have no logical answer so resort once again to pedantic nonsense.

They are trying to justify Construction closed as “less people milling around”

But can’t answer why thousands of delivery drivers are going around the country dropping off completely non essential parcels.

It’s just sad that the one deemed non essential is going to impact the housing crisis.

Karen not getting her cookbook will probably survive.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

But can’t answer why thousands of delivery drivers are going around the country dropping off completely non essential parcels.

I don't know about you but I don't let the delivery driver into the house, also I'm pretty sure the vast majority of drivers work alone.

Do you think they would be able to turn a profit if they only delivered essential items?

Trying to equate delivery drivers with construction workers is remedial in the extreme.

That said there is plenty of delivery drivers delivering to construction sites today, it's why hardware stores, lumber yards, steel yards, etc are open.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

I don't know about you but I don't let the delivery driver into the house, also I'm pretty sure the vast majority of drivers work alone.

Do you think they would be able to turn a profit if they only delivered essential items?

Trying to equate delivery drivers with construction workers is remedial in the extreme.

That said there is plenty of delivery drivers delivering to construction sites today, it's why hardware stores, lumber yards, steel yards, etc are open.

Why do you care if they turn a profit?

Lots of business forced to close that can’t turn a profit.

Interesting what people agree and disagree with.

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh they understand your point. But they have no logical answer so resort once again to pedantic nonsense.

They are trying to justify Construction closed as “less people milling around”

But can’t answer why thousands of delivery drivers are going around the country dropping off completely non essential parcels.

It’s just sad that the one deemed non essential is going to impact the housing crisis.

Karen not getting her cookbook will probably survive.

the best response you get is 'hurr durr box of tea' so I'm not that bothered

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do you care if they turn a profit?

Lots of business forced to close that can’t turn a profit.

Interesting what people agree and disagree with.

Indeed, it would seem you want even more people to be unemployed.

I don't.

Corby Trouser Press

Graham wrote: »

Most offices are not public facing, all closed.

Yes and the work continues in home offices up and down the country.

Construction workers don’t have that luxury.

Corby Trouser Press

Graham wrote: »

Eating is essential.

So is housing.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

I don't know about you but I don't let the delivery driver into the house, also I'm pretty sure the vast majority of drivers work alone.

Do you think they would be able to turn a profit if they only delivered essential items?

Trying to equate delivery drivers with construction workers is remedial in the extreme.

That said there is plenty of delivery drivers delivering to construction sites today, it's why hardware stores, lumber yards, steel yards, etc are open.

A site isn’t an occupied house.

It’s an open structure for a large part of its life.

It’s better ventilated then an enclosed warehouse.

It’s better for social distancing then a production line or factory floor.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed, it would seem you want even more people to be unemployed.

I don't.

I don’t.
I just enjoy picking holes in the pro restrictions logic

Boggles

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

A site isn’t an occupied house.

Their is an aspiration there though. It's the whole point.

Anyway, construction will be first to open again and they catch up like they did last year.

Corby Trouser Press

Boggles wrote: »

And if you read on.



The 0.6% figure is not static or a complete accurate interruption either I imagine.

Also officially 30% of construction workers are currently working.

Me Bollíx that's all there is.

But they know that, it's why they employ a whole team of behavioral scientists.

Behavioural scientists have had a bad pandemic.

Early predictions were that people wouldn’t put up with restrictions for more then a few weeks.

Also, the idea that NPHET are crunching the numbers and doing intense statistical modelling behind the scenes keeping us all safe in our beds... Sorry, but I just don’t think that’s the way it is.