Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

SnuggyBear

Boggles wrote: »

Not acceptable I'm afraid.



Neither are peer review'd studies or 700 years of scientific history.

2 eyeballs only.

Nphet were unaware of the 700 years of scientific evidence until the middle of summer were they?

Risteard77

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Believe it or not the vast majority of people didn't wear masks in work this time last year and would like to go back to that. I'm not sure about the rest of your blabberings about "let it rip"

Agreed, very few wear masks unless you were spraying a car with chemicals or in surgery etc, not a "large" amount as was said.

Even if we were doing wound or leg dressings we were told not to wear a mask for patient dignity purposes.

average_runner

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Implementing your plan will achieve low cases numbers.

You statement about opening is delivered with great confidence and authority, it’s rubbish though, we had low case numbers for months last Summer and never opened up.

We opened alot up last Summer, not everything, but pools were open, pubs with food were open, hotels were open, campsites were open.


We the vaccine we could open up more, but i don't believe the government would do the plan above, so we might as well face it, it be a summer abroad for some and lockdown at end of sept.


The other approach we wouldn't have another lockdown

average_runner

Risteard77 wrote: »

Agreed, very few wear masks unless you were spraying a car with chemicals or in surgery etc, not a "large" amount as was said.

Even if we were doing wound or leg dressings we were told not to wear a mask for patient dignity purposes.

I think you will see more wearing mask going forward in the winter months.
That will be their choice and no one should be critical of it.

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

Median age of death available here:

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries21/

Has ranged from 79-85 each week, during recent months.

CSO data no. 22 published today

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries22/

Risteard77

average_runner wrote: »

I think you will see more wearing mask going forward in the winter months.
That will be their choice and no one should be critical of

People can wear a mask if they want to or even a helmet! But those that choose not to shouldn't be criticized either

ypres5

average_runner wrote: »

I think you will see more wearing mask going forward in the winter months.
That will be their choice and no one should be critical of it.

i have absolutely no problem with people wearing masks if they want post covid they can do what they want ive followed the rules throughout but id hate for masks to become mandatory or a permanent fixture

Tork

I don't think anyone would want masks to become mandatory. I think for most people, they're synonymous with the a period in their life they'd rather forget. They might suit some people in certain circumstances and it should be an acceptable choice for them. Talk of people being required to wear them into the future is bunkum. There is nothing to be gained from it apart from fewer people in hospital in the future. The security people in banks, airports and other public places would much prefer to see full faces on their systems. From that perspective, face coverings are a step backwards.

anplaya27

Tork wrote: »

I don't think anyone would want masks to become mandatory. I think for most people, they're synonymous with the a period in their life they'd rather forget. They might suit some people in certain circumstances and it should be an acceptable choice for them. Talk of people being required to wear them into the future is bunkum. There is nothing to be gained from it apart from fewer people in hospital in the future. The security people in banks, airports and other public places would much prefer to see full faces on their systems. From that perspective, face coverings are a step backwards.

As a Deaf ISL user I certainly hope not. It's more than an irritant to us and affects us mentally. It's hard enough trying to lipread a spoken language you've never heard yet alone try and understand people wearing masks. The last year has been tough as mentally.

But I can see the reasoning behind it.

FintanMcluskey

I can’t see mask wearing becoming optional. Certainly not for a long time.

The measures implemented to mitigate Covid have been credited with 0 flu cases.

Is someone going to play God and suggest flu deaths will be acceptable in future?

Silentcorner

average_runner wrote: »

I think you will see more wearing mask going forward in the winter months.
That will be their choice and no one should be critical of it.

IF (and it's a big if) masks help limit transmission, then it also limits a persons ability to build immunity to all transmittable viruses does it not?

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I can’t see mask wearing becoming optional. Certainly not for a long time.

The measures implemented to mitigate Covid have been credited with 0 flu cases.

Is someone going to play God and suggest flu deaths will be acceptable in future?

Far more likely that masks become a recommended feature during the winter months rather than a mask mandate.

Boggles

Risteard77 wrote: »

Agreed, very few wear masks unless you were spraying a car with chemicals or in surgery etc, not a "large" amount as was said.

Nope.

Pharmaceutical, medical devices, food production, etc, etc.

It would appear masks were only created in 2020 according to some.

Boggles

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I can’t see mask wearing becoming optional. Certainly not for a long time.

The measures implemented to mitigate Covid have been credited with 0 flu cases.

Is someone going to play God and suggest flu deaths will be acceptable in future?

We "play God" all the time Fintan.

It's called medicine in some circles.

Or do you think we should dispense with that?

woodchuck

Personally I'd like to continue seeing mask wearing on public transport when the pandemic is finally over. It's an absolute incubator of disease under normal circumstances, especially in winter. The amount of people coughing and spluttering without even covering their mouths is disgusting. All those germs lingering in the air and condensing on the windows. And god forbid if you actually open a window for a bit of ventilation, the filthy looks you're given.

Ideally people would take a little personal responsibility and wear a mask if they know they're sick to protect those around them. However we know from experience that we can't count on people taking personal responsibility. Therefore if we have to keep mask wearing on public transport mandatory in the long-term, I'm all for that. We'll all be healthier because of it.

Captain_Crash

woodchuck wrote: »

Therefore if we have to keep mask wearing on public transport mandatory in the long-term, I'm all for. We'll all be healthier because of it.

I’d be inclined to disagree! Our immune systems need to be exposed to all sorts of bacteria and virus’ in order for us to fight off the nasty stuff. We’ve seen that about 80% of people who test positive show little to no ill effects... this is their immune systems happily fighting the bug without much issue.

If mask wearing was mandatory for a few years before covid hit, it’s reasonable to assume the number of healthy immune systems present in the population wouldn’t be so high, meaning less people have an easy time of it! What happens when the next bug comes along and no one has had any exposure to anything in the years leading up to it....? then we’re in for a catastrophe

woodchuck

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’d be inclined to disagree! Our immune systems need to be exposed to all sorts of bacteria and virus’ in order for us to fight off the nasty stuff. We’ve seen that about 80% of people who test positive show little to no ill effects... this is their immune systems happily fighting the bug without much issue.

If mask wearing was mandatory for a few years before covid hit, it’s reasonable to assume the number of healthy immune systems present in the population wouldn’t be so high, meaning less people have an easy time of it! What happens when the next bug comes along and no one has had any exposure to anything in the years leading up to it....? then we’re in for a catastrophe

It's particularly important during childhood. Children will still have plenty of opportunity to pick up bugs and fight them off through crehe, school, playing with friends, family etc in order to develop a healthy immune system.

As an adult with an already healthy immune system, I'm sick and tired of catching multiple colds per year (this past year being the first exception). There's no benefit to that.

We need a balanced approach. It's not like I think we need to continue to the same extremes that we're experiencing right now after the pandemic. But on buses? Yes, please, wear a mask if you have a cold to stop it spreading to those around you.

SnuggyBear

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I can’t see mask wearing becoming optional. Certainly not for a long time.

The measures implemented to mitigate Covid have been credited with 0 flu cases.

Is someone going to play God and suggest flu deaths will be acceptable in future?

Is there really no flu or are they just not testing for it?

growleaves

Court rules pubs entitled to insurance over Covid closures

Yeehaw!

Turtwig

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’d be inclined to disagree! Our immune systems need to be exposed to all sorts of bacteria and virus’ in order for us to fight off the nasty stuff. We’ve seen that about 80% of people who test positive show little to no ill effects... this is their immune systems happily fighting the bug without much issue.

That's not how the immune system works. It's not even necessarily a net benefactor for us. Plenty of illness, chronic debilitating ones, occur due to the immune response.

Then you have to consider other factors as well. Easy example here being our Natural Adaptation to Malaria being sickle cell anaemia.

Being exposed to illness and viruses in an uncontrolled way is not really to anyone's benefit. Especially now when options like vaccinations exist to train the immune system in a much safer manner.

growleaves

woodchuck wrote: »

As an adult with an already healthy immune system, I'm sick and tired of catching multiple colds per year (this past year being the first exception). There's no benefit to that.

Of course there's a benefit. By catching multiple colds per year you build up your immunity to coronaviruses.

FintanMcluskey

growleaves wrote: »

Court rules pubs entitled to insurance over Covid closures

Yeehaw!

Buckle up. This is going to get interesting

Captain_Crash

Turtwig wrote: »

That's not how the immune system works. It's not even necessarily a net benefactor for us. Plenty of illness, chronic debilitating ones, occur due to the immune response.

Then you have to consider other factors as well. Easy example here being our Natural Adaptation to Malaria being sickle cell anaemia.

Being exposed to illness and viruses in an uncontrolled way is not really to anyone's benefit. Especially now when options like vaccinations exist to train the immune system in a much safer manner.

That’s my high level understanding of it! It’s obviously more nuanced and I don’t profess to be an expert by any means.

Captain_Crash

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Buckle up. This is going to get interesting

Leo tweeting that it was great news.... trough gritted teeth no doubt!

Boggles

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Leo tweeting that it was great news.... trough gritted teeth no doubt!

Why?

It should save us all money.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Buckle up. This is going to get interesting

This is great news for us.
Every insurance company must be nervous now, getting their legal teams to examine policies.

And those companies will be furious at the government if they get left a large tab.

Graham

growleaves wrote: »

Court rules pubs entitled to insurance over Covid closures

Yeehaw!

Great news for the business involved.

Good to see it went their way in the end, just a pity it took this long.

suicide_circus

Insurance companies are famous for ponying up payouts and not passing the cost on to policy holders.

No, wait..

CrowdedHouse

Deleted User wrote: »

This is great news for us.
Every insurance company must be nervous now, getting their legal teams to examine policies.

And those companies will be furious at the government if they get left a large tab.

Every insurance company will be putting up your car/house/pet etc premiums I fear

Silentcorner

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I’d be inclined to disagree! Our immune systems need to be exposed to all sorts of bacteria and virus’ in order for us to fight off the nasty stuff. We’ve seen that about 80% of people who test positive show little to no ill effects... this is their immune systems happily fighting the bug without much issue.

If mask wearing was mandatory for a few years before covid hit, it’s reasonable to assume the number of healthy immune systems present in the population wouldn’t be so high, meaning less people have an easy time of it! What happens when the next bug comes along and no one has had any exposure to anything in the years leading up to it....? then we’re in for a catastrophe

You'd hope NPHET would be considering this when deciding policy...there could be very serious consequences especially for the weak and infirmed in the coming years.

The didn't bother considering advising the public about their Vitamin D intake.

It seems, they didn't bother factoring in the mental health of the population until October, and it's difficult to see what advice they dispensing regarding mental health since then.

And as for expecting journalists to be asking these questions is like expecting a child to know when they've had enough sugar!!!