Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Russman

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe some of us want more out of life than simply surviving...

By the time we are all vaccinated, people will have lost 2 years.

I don’t want to be flippant or argumentative & I’m really not trying to have a go, but there’s got to be an element of “tough sh1t” about that.
It’s a complete pain in the hole, but this generation has just been unlucky enough to be the one facing a probably one in a hundred year event. If we get out of it mid way through this year it’s a relatively small price to pay compared to previous generations throughout history who had to deal with global events such as wars, famines, other pandemics etc etc. Us in the West haven’t been conditioned to think life can throw things like this at us anymore.
Feck all we can do about it anyway.

dalyboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously though, “prolonged suppression” of the virus through long term lockdown is possibly the worst strategy in the entire world.

There is not a single social or economic benefit.
We’re not exactly moving fast with the vaccine either.

Yip. This is the next “phase”

They’ve moved on from “flatten the curve” and “help to suppress hospital numbers” to the bit in bold above.

After that’s achieved in 6 months plus it’ll be “herd immunity” time.
And on and on it goes

Aph2016

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Oh boo hoo. It is what it is now. For the sake of everyone, not just those who want to party. Tough sht. Same in many countries, Valencia region and Andalucia in Spain is shut down like ourselves. We will cope. It is called resilience, not childishness.

You must have a nice secure job. Nothing to worry about financially I'd say.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You are very naive if you think people are really going to put their lives on hold for another 6 - 12 months.

Sure you guys were using this mantra back in March 2020. Yet aside from a few "patriot" eejits protesting most adults managed to do it as they understood why its needed.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Maturity is sadly lacking here. As is the reality of this situation. But back to your books and studies for the LC, best of luck folks.

Enjoy been resilient at home.

Spanish Eyes

Aph2016 wrote: »

You must have a nice secure job. Nothing to worry about financially I'd say.

No wonder some people here make assumptions. No one knows do they?

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

Sure you guys were using this mantra back in March 2020. Yet aside from a few "patriot" eejits protesting most adults managed to do it as they understood why its needed.

Most people managed to do it... yet we have thousands of cases a day.

Great arguement though

Penfailed

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are forgetting one vital ingredient, fear, keep everyone afraid.

Only give exposure to experts who talk about Mass Graves, Freezer trucks full of bodies, 100,000s deaths, mutations, new deadly variants ....

No one is allowed talk about probable seasonality, no one is allowed talk about the times of year when we our collective immune systems are weak and conditions for transmissibility.

No one can talk about how the ordinary person can improve their health by diet or supplements

Never mention the old normal...it's all about the new normal, which always involves more restrictions!!

Shun any one who doesn't comply, the good old Irish way!!!

The only way out of this is vaccines....not herd immunity.

Yet...here you are, talking about all those things that no one is allowed to talk about...

kerrylad1

I have tried to stay out of this tread,for months,but here goes.Laid off friday.My first time at 46,applying for social welfare.
All of ye,that support these lockdowns,need to wake up and smell the coffee,it is crippling thousand's of families.
The old,overweight,and those with underlying health conditions,stay at home.
Dont stop the rest of us working and trying to put food on our children's plate.Trying to live on €350 aweek is a ****ing joke.
And yes i do know,someone that has died "with covid"before ye all start harping on.

FintanMcluskey

There must be an cheap offer on bottles of Pino Grigio in Aldi

Windmill100000

Deleted User wrote: »

You are very naive if you think people are really going to put their lives on hold for another 6 - 12 months.

What you mean is you don't want the majority to agree and adhere to the guidelines. You want people to think like you think.

I think that's why you keep repeating this point, predicting the future.

You think most were naive to accept lockdown at all, yet they did. Several times

completedit

Russman wrote: »

I don’t want to be flippant or argumentative & I’m really not trying to have a go, but there’s got to be an element of “tough sh1t” about that.
It’s a complete pain in the hole, but this generation has just been unlucky enough to be the one facing a probably one in a hundred year event. If we get out of it mid way through this year it’s a relatively small price to pay compared to previous generations throughout history who had to deal with global events such as wars, famines, other pandemics etc etc. Us in the West haven’t been conditioned to think life can throw things like this at us anymore.
Feck all we can do about it anyway.

To a point, I agree. We probably do expect too much; a testament to the enormous progress in quality of life enjoyed by many millions of us over the past 70 years.

Life was miserable, brutal and short for the majority of our history; now we have the freedom and agency to be able to ponder restrictions of a pandemic. Means we can be grateful for all we have accomplished in the past centuries.

completedit

pjohnson wrote: »

Sure you guys were using this mantra back in March 2020. Yet aside from a few "patriot" eejits protesting most adults managed to do it as they understood why its needed.

Most people have no skin in the game. Its easy to adhere to prolonged lockdowns when your livelihood isn't at stake. What arrogance to assume everyone is in your situation. Sympathy for the frail and sick but not to families struggling to keep hope. This is not about being able to go to Coppers or Cafe en Seine.

Go and read some economic forecasts and predictions for the post covid world. Then come back to me. Many thousands will never work in their previous line of employment again. It's a time of great fear and uncertainty. Economic outcomes matter. The true reality of this will become apparent when the health angle of the pandemic subsides and the scarring becomes apparent.

K shaped recovery. Let that sink in. Patriots indeed.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Most people managed to do it... yet we have thousands of cases a day.

Great arguement though

I said adults. Some people naturally refuse to follow rules and law long before covid. They wont suddenly become responsible now.

xhomelezz

completedit wrote: »

Most people have no skin in the game. Its easy to adhere to prolonged lockdowns when your livelihood isn't at stake.

You wouldn't have this problem if peeps just simply follow basic guidelines..

ypres5

kerrylad1 wrote: »

I have tried to stay out of this tread,for months,but here goes.Laid off friday.My first time at 46,applying for social welfare.
All of ye,that support these lockdowns,need to wake up and smell the coffee,it is crippling thousand's of families.
The old,overweight,and those with underlying health conditions,stay at home.
Dont stop the rest of us working and trying to put food on our children's plate.Trying to live on €350 aweek is a ****ing joke.
And yes i do know,someone that has died "with covid"before ye all start harping on.

sorry to hear about your circumstances. the way working people have been treated and dismissed throughout all this is disgraceful. the government throw you a few hundred quid and you're supposed to piss yourself with gratitude. i know I'm some randomer on the internet but i hope everything's alright

FintanMcluskey

completedit wrote: »

Most people have no skin in the game. Its easy to adhere to prolonged lockdowns when your livelihood isn't at stake.

Excellent point.

A day of reckoning will come for the whole nation though.

Paschal even said so.

pjohnson

pjohnson wrote: »

I said adults. Some people naturally refuse to follow rules and law long before covid. They wont suddenly become responsible now.

Well make up your minds...

One minute everyone is to blame for going mad over Christmas.

The next everyone is following restrictions...

Bizarre stuff

Penfailed

kerrylad1 wrote: »

I have tried to stay out of this tread,for months,but here goes.Laid off friday.My first time at 46,applying for social welfare.
All of ye,that support these lockdowns,need to wake up and smell the coffee,it is crippling thousand's of families.
The old,overweight,and those with underlying health conditions,stay at home.
Dont stop the rest of us working and trying to put food on our children's plate.Trying to live on €350 aweek is a ****ing joke.
And yes i do know,someone that has died "with covid"before ye all start harping on.

Sorry to hear that.

Russman

Russman wrote: »

I don’t want to be flippant or argumentative & I’m really not trying to have a go, but there’s got to be an element of “tough sh1t” about that.
It’s a complete pain in the hole, but this generation has just been unlucky enough to be the one facing a probably one in a hundred year event. If we get out of it mid way through this year it’s a relatively small price to pay compared to previous generations throughout history who had to deal with global events such as wars, famines, other pandemics etc etc. Us in the West haven’t been conditioned to think life can throw things like this at us anymore.
Feck all we can do about it anyway.

When the pandemic is over, the real misery starts.
That’s when we’ll have to face the consequences of unnecessary prolonged lockdown.

Russman

kerrylad1 wrote: »

I have tried to stay out of this tread,for months,but here goes.Laid off friday.My first time at 46,applying for social welfare.
All of ye,that support these lockdowns,need to wake up and smell the coffee,it is crippling thousand's of families.
The old,overweight,and those with underlying health conditions,stay at home.
Dont stop the rest of us working and trying to put food on our children's plate.Trying to live on €350 aweek is a ****ing joke.
And yes i do know,someone that has died "with covid"before ye all start harping on.

Sorry to hear you’ve been laid off, despite all the back and forth on threads like this, the human cost of this thing is huge.
Keep the head up.

growleaves

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Maturity is sadly lacking here. As is the reality of this situation. But back to your books and studies for the LC, best of luck folks.

Actually I'm doing my Junior Cert. I better get back to studying but let me just say that I am reconciled to these restrictions, I don't expect to get out of them soon, but that doesn't mean I'm going to drop my objections to them. We all have our own point of view and we don't have to accept that Philip Nolan or whoever tells us how to think about things.

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well make up your minds...

One minute everyone is to blame for going mad over Christmas.

The next everyone is following restrictions...

Bizarre stuff

I say "some people". You read "everyone"

That about sums things up.

ypres5

completedit wrote: »

To a point, I agree. We probably do expect too much; a testament to the enormous progress in quality of life enjoyed by many millions of us over the past 70 years.

Life was miserable, brutal and short for the majority of our history; now we have the freedom and agency to be able to ponder restrictions of a pandemic. Means we can be grateful for all we have accomplished in the past centuries.

exactly people spent long enough being beaten down, starved, shot and practically enslaved by empires and governments to revert back to blind obedience. people should be able to question authority without being dismissed as cranks and shouted down

Windmill100000

completedit wrote: »

Most people have no skin in the game. Its easy to adhere to prolonged lockdowns when your livelihood isn't at stake. What arrogance to assume everyone is in your situation. Sympathy for the frail and sick but not to families struggling to keep hope.

Go and read some economic forecasts and predictions for the post covid world. Then come back to me. Many thousands will never work in their previous line of employment again. It's a time of great fear and uncertainty. Economic outcomes matter. The true reality of this will become apparent when the health angle of the pandemic subsides and the scarring becomes apparent.

We all know there will payback. Most people are able to work that one out. And yet people adhere to the rules. Maybe they believe not adhering would be detrimental in other ways, like losing loved ones or getting very sick themselves.

Thespoofer

Would be good if government laid out a plan according to numbers vaccinated.

For example all over 70s jabbed, full construction back, over 60s full return to school and inter county travel etc etc.

That way alot of this arguing would stop and annoying aspect of the 'not knowing'.
The fact they haven't come out and given a clear statement on it ( unless I missed it ) isn't helping.

Spanish Eyes

We are just having a rant from every side. This is totally awful for everyone.

Don't know how we are going to get out of it just yet, but a bit of patience might help until the vaccines have been totally rolled out to everyone.

That is the key. So you can all shut up until that happens now. Sorry, just ranting and blame the EU procurement process, not me!

completedit

Windmill100000 wrote: »

We all know there will payback. Most people are able to work that one out. And yet people adhere to the rules. Maybe they believe not adhering would be detrimental in other ways, like losing loved ones or getting very sick themselves.

Sure. But I wonder how many are actually aware of what is to come?

After 18 months of restrictions we will be rescued from the fire only to walk straight into the toxic gas. This is going to be brutal for anyone between the ages of 21 and 60.

Boggles

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1355942468001411072

I'd say the company had a bit of legal liability coming there all right.

dalyboy

Thespoofer wrote: »

Would be good if government laid out a plan according to numbers vaccinated.

For example all over 70s jabbed, full construction back, over 60s full return to school and inter county travel etc etc.

That way alot of this arguing would stop and annoying aspect of the 'not knowing'.
The fact they haven't come out and given a clear statement on it ( unless I missed it ) isn't helping.

They’ve been reliably quite when it comes to talking about metrics required to allow relaxing of restrictions since back in June.

Don’t hold your breath for a timeline during or post vaccine roll outs.
Moving of goal posts is where their prime skill is at.