Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

GazzaL

TobyHolmes wrote: »

here we go

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/no-mass-gatherings-until-70-of-the-population-vaccinated-says-nphet-member-1073452.html

Obviously - this newest lockdown extension was EU mandated and policy to just hold the line till people get vaccinated

70% of population -how long will it take at this rate

2025?

We'll all die of old age before the HSE gets the vaccine rolled out.

ypres5

TobyHolmes wrote: »

here we go

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/no-mass-gatherings-until-70-of-the-population-vaccinated-says-nphet-member-1073452.html

Obviously - this newest lockdown extension was EU mandated and policy to just hold the line till people get vaccinated

70% of population -how long will it take at this rate

2025?

and then by the time that happens we'll probably be told that we can't have mass gatherings because the new guinea bissau variant has a 0.000000001% increased fatality rate

votecounts

what will they do if there is a sizeable portion that won't take the vaccine? ie more than 30%

TobyHolmes

GazzaL wrote: »

We'll all die of old age before the HSE gets the vaccine rolled out.

i want to have fun while im still young and beautiful!!!! ((((((

TobyHolmes

votecounts wrote: »

what will they do if there is a sizeable portion that won't take the vaccine? ie more than 30%

well theres not a sizeable portion who wont take it so we will be grand


and if they wont take it - out on their ear

Responder XY

TobyHolmes wrote: »

well theres not a sizeable portion who wont take it so we will be grand


and if they wont take it - out on their ear

There simply can not be a scenario where we don't hit a vaccination target because people opt out. That's where we return to normal anyway. Hopefully Darwinism works out and we improve the intelligence of the broader population.

Would have no issue with refusing hospital treatment to those who'd previously refused a vaccine.

TobyHolmes

Responder XY wrote: »

There simply can not be a scenario where we don't hit a vaccination target because people opt out. That's where we return to normal anyway. Hopefully Darwinism works out and we improve the intelligence of the broader population.

Would have no issue with refusing hospital treatment to those who'd previously refused a vaccine.

people may have differing opinions on things but IMO it is part and parcel of being a human and being part of society that you take a bloody vaccine in a bloody pandemic.


and we will just all finger cross together and hope we wont turn into zombies


but im sure we will be fine and finally will be able to get on with living again

Silentcorner

When do people think we will stop mass testing, and the daily reporting of positive cases?

Or when should we stop doing the above.

TobyHolmes

Silentcorner wrote: »

When do people think we will stop mass testing, and the daily reporting of positive cases?


Or when should we stop doing the above.

i think they need to start reporting on the numbers vaccinated and whom

Del Griffith

TobyHolmes wrote: »

i think they need to start reporting on the numbers vaccinated and whom

That would leave them open to having to explain their slow days, won't happen.

TobyHolmes

Del Griffith wrote: »

That would leave them open to having to explain their slow days, won't happen.

why do they have slow days? supply or ineptitude?


there is certainly a reluctance for sure and i have to laugh(and cry) anytime the question is asked at a briefing as they hum and hah over the response

bb1234567

Mr. Karate wrote: »

The virus, even with the new variants has a survival rate of 99.96%. This is far from the Population culler that they make it out to be.

Perhaps you mean 99.6%. Even that would be a very conservative estimate

fin12

I would definitely be in favor of stop reporting positive cases and deaths and now replace with daily number vaccinated. I actually don’t listen to any numbers now and it’s great. Best decision I ever make.

gmisk

TobyHolmes wrote: »

i think they need to start reporting on the numbers vaccinated and whom

Those are due to be added soon seemingly.

Last decent estimate is 161,500 from Jan 27th.
Issue isn't with rollout it's with getting the supply.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-vaccinations?tab=chart&stackMode=absolute&time=2021-01-27..latest&country=~IRL&region=World

Pitch n Putt

Silentcorner wrote: »

When do people think we will stop mass testing, and the daily reporting of positive cases?

Or when should we stop doing the above.

If people just stop turning up for tests and say enough is enough.

That’s a quick way to put a stop to the current never ending saga. Nobody knows what the aim is ?

Is it 100 cases a day or 50 ? What’s the phantom target we’re trying to achieve?

Pitch n Putt

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

If people just stop turning up for tests and say enough is enough.

That’s a quick way to put a stop to the current never ending saga. Nobody knows what the aim is ?

Is it 100 cases a day or 50 ? What’s the phantom target we’re trying to achieve?

Won’t stop people showing up in hospital.

gmisk

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

If people just stop turning up for tests and say enough is enough.

That’s a quick way to put a stop to the current never ending saga. Nobody knows what the aim is ?

Is it 100 cases a day or 50 ? What’s the phantom target we’re trying to achieve?

Well that is clearly utterly ridiculous.
Are you joking or not?
Talk about burying your head in the sand...

Pitch n Putt

Deleted User wrote: »

Won’t stop people showing up in hospital.

We don’t even have a proper breakdown of hospitalised numbers.

There is no true numbers for those actually admitted to hospital with covid complications or those who were already hospitalised with some other ailment but contracted covid within the hospital.

What we do know is they all go down together as increased hospitalised numbers reported daily even if they have been already in the hospital.

Which is another anomaly the way this whole thing is being reported daily.

I think we should stop mass testing because the whole point of that was to identify cases and use tactics such as tracing and local lockdowns etc

But our tracing was terrible anyways and we’ve no interest in local restrictions except when Tony was on leave.

I mean, does it really matter if 900 people are asymptomatic or have extremely mild symptoms? I don’t even know why half these people bother to get tested. Just stay home and rest.

For transparency, I like to see the daily figures.
I’d hate to think that NPHET can just say cases are high without us knowing the numbers.

I wish they weren’t in the media everyday though.

Pitch n Putt

gmisk wrote: »

Well that is clearly utterly ridiculous.
Are you joking or not?
Talk about burying your head in the sand...

Why ? Hundreds of people a week with zero symptoms are showing up for a test to tell them that they’re sick....

No deemed close contacts should be having any test unless symptoms are present.

Even the WHO came out and said this last week but we decided here to reintroduce testing of close contacts when our numbers were declining.

You can’t pick and choose testing criteria. You either test to the same criteria all the time or forget about it.
Numbers are completely meaningless if the goalposts are moved to suit.

bb1234567

Testing is a good way of identifying whether the outbreak nationally/regionally is growing or declining, and thus what restrictions can be introduced or reduced.

Beasty

TobyHolmes wrote: »

well theres not a sizeable portion who wont take it so we will be grand


and if they wont take it - out on their ear

A sizeable proportion of any who won't take it will probably end up with immunity once they've had Covid 19. Hence one way or other there's a form of herd immunity, until the immunity wears off....

Pitch n Putt

GazzaL wrote: »

We'll all die of old age before the HSE gets the vaccine rolled out.

Yes we need to contact the Germans for help. Efficiency is their specialty. Unfortunately the HSE specialty is incompetence...

Kunta Kinte

Beasty wrote: »

A sizeable proportion of any who won't take it will probably end up with immunity once they've had Covid 19. Hence one way or other there's a form of herd immunity, until the immunity wears off....

Which is for how long?

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Any idea of the loosening of restrictions for March and April?

fin12

MattS1 wrote: »

Any idea of the loosening of restrictions for March and April?

Prob just non essential retail. Pubs won’t open till after Easter.

acequion

fin12 wrote: »

Prob just non essential retail. Pubs won’t open till after Easter.

I wonder when they'll open gyms and hairdressers and ease this dreadful 5km.
The lack of information is extremely frustrating. MM hinting that nothing major will be happening in March. And talk of hospitality not opening for months!

Irish people are unbelievably accepting. I honestly think you could take an Irishman's house off him and the most he'll do is complain to Joe.:rolleyes:

gmisk

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Why ? Hundreds of people a week with zero symptoms are showing up for a test to tell them that they’re sick....

No deemed close contacts should be having any test unless symptoms are present.

Even the WHO came out and said this last week but we decided here to reintroduce testing of close contacts when our numbers were declining.

You can’t pick and choose testing criteria. You either test to the same criteria all the time or forget about it.
Numbers are completely meaningless if the goalposts are moved to suit.

Where are you getting the hundreds figure?
Plucked from thin air seemingly.

Er as you said they did stop testing close contacts up until very recently....as the numbers had rocketed and the capacity for tests had been seriously stretched.

I didn't meet the criteria to even get tested due to lack of capacity in March, and I was in bed for over a week despite being extremely healthy and under 40.

You can't just bury your head in the sand and hope everything goes back to normal by ignoring the situation...you can understand that right?
We have serious capacity issues with ICU beds in particular.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

acequion wrote: »

I wonder when they'll open gyms and hairdressers and ease this dreadful 5km.
The lack of information is extremely frustrating. MM hinting that nothing major will be happening in March. And talk of hospitality not opening for months!

Irish people are unbelievably accepting. I honestly think you could take an Irishman's house off him and the most he'll do is complain to Joe.:rolleyes:

Exactly this! There should be a plan outlined. Can't keep the country locked up for 4/5 months and just say ah well, we'll see next month.

Mr. Karate

acequion wrote: »

Irish people are unbelievably accepting. I honestly think you could take an Irishman's house off him and the most he'll do is complain to Joe.:rolleyes:

They'll pay for their compliance when they're left holding the bill. We won't all be in this together when it comes to paying for this.