Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But the low case numbers didn’t have cause for restrictions to be released last year?

Ireland didn’t reopen barbers in late June early July, despite having low case numbers in May?

And as you will have heard from Philip Nolan today, they leaned what had an impact from may to July and will apply lessons learned

Idbatterim

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

This is likely a cause for a lot of support of restrictions at present.

While I have no issue with the PUP support it is a necessary measure to keep people from starving, it’s a false economy.

Realistically people are saving money in many different ways due to not actually having to drive to work etc, but when that PUP stops and a few hundred thousand people still don’t have jobs, the penny will drop.

no commuting to work, or expensive lunches or coffees etc. The not working bit helps too! Jesus, put them on E200 a week and see how long "lockdown is great" lasts, when they are on that money!

landofthetree

Lockdown will go on well past March due to a shortage of vaccines.

Level.5 till July according to the Taoiseach.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40217615.html

Windmill100000

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

That’s good you understand exactly why they it.

Now what doesn’t correlate to your understanding is whats being said and done at present by those currently implementing those guidelines.

Can you explain a bit more what you mean there?

hynesie08

Idbatterim wrote: »

assuming you are better off or its more worth your while being on PUP than now working though? Why work for E400 a week , when you can sit at home on E350?

You are assuming wrong, but that's a pattern in this thread

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

And as you will have heard from Philip Nolan today, they leaned what had an impact from may to July and will apply lessons learned

Yes, cases rise slightly when restrictions relax, thus implying no relaxation.


We’ve even seen through this thread the past few days, relaxation of Europe’s strictest mitigation measures in Ireland over Christmas was wrong.

There is a number of posters suggesting Ireland should never have opened at Christmas as it was cause for cases to rise.

hynesie08

landofthetree wrote: »

Lockdown will go on well past March due to a shortage of vaccines.

Level.5 till July according to the Taoiseach.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40217615.html

Doesn't actually say that though does it?

Spanish Eyes

I see flights from Heathrow and Gatwick, together with Lisbon and Faro arriving in Dublin today. Some of the biggest hotspots for this virus. OK the flights might not be full, but I am sick of not being able to move outside my 5k zone now. What are they thinking, Portugal is in absolute bits.

landofthetree

hynesie08 wrote: »

Doesn't actually say that though does it?

Into the summer is July at the earliest.

However, Mr Martin was far more pessimistic about the prospects for the hospitality sector.

He said pubs and restaurants cannot reopen before an increased roll-out of the vaccine project which is likely to be into the summer time at the earliest.

hynesie08

landofthetree wrote: »

Into the summer is July at the earliest.

You said level 5, if construction, schools and retail are open, that's not level 5 now is it?

growleaves

Boggles wrote: »

Really? Has it started yet?

I love James May.

No, there's only previews. It isn't sky actually, its some private Youtube channel or streaming service.

Here is the preview:

landofthetree

hynesie08 wrote: »

You said level 5, if construction, schools and retail are open, that's not level 5 now is it?

Retail wont be opening in March.

FintanMcluskey

landofthetree wrote: »

Retail wont be opening in March.

March 5th is just the date we find out the next date for extension of restrictions

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yes, cases rise slightly when restrictions relax, thus implying no relaxation.


We’ve even seen through this thread the past few days, relaxation of Europe’s strictest mitigation measures in Ireland over Christmas was wrong.

There is a number of posters suggesting Ireland should never have opened at Christmas as it was cause for cases to rise.

He actually said relaxing some measure did not impact the decline at all. It depends when they are done, but the point was made, if you are a relatively low rate, the effect of permitting small gatherings for example, will be negligible to case numbers in the short term

landofthetree

hynesie08 wrote: »

You said level 5, if construction, schools and retail are open, that's not level 5 now is it?

Also construction and schools were both supposed to stay open under Level 5. We are currently under level 5+.

Opening them isn't taken us out of level 5.

Kunta Kinte

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

March 5th is just the date we find out the next date for extension of restrictions

Probably correct although reopening of some schools or construction sites may be announced then. Non essential retail will in all likelihood remain closed for all of March.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

He actually said relaxing some measure did not impact the decline at all. It depends when they are done, but the point was made, if you are a relatively low rate, the effect of permitting small gatherings for example, will be negligible to case numbers in the short term

What’s that low rate?

It’s a magical number that doesn’t actually exist

Ask what the number is and nobody can tell

FintanMcluskey

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Probably correct although reopening of some schools or construction sites may be announced then. Non essential retail will remain closed for all or most of March.

Hopefully they align construction with the rest of Europe sometime before Summer. (It never shut in Europe I was told this week)

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What that low rate?

It’s a magical number that doesn’t actually exist

There a multiple factors, that’s why they will never give a number as a rule. People will just misrepresent. If, for example, they said open restaurants at 200 cases per day. That’s a very different proposition when numbers are falling rapidly or slowly, high hospitalisation or low, winter/ summer etc etc

Cork2021

Some on here won’t be happy unless they see 1million people queuing in a virtual dole queue!!

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

There a multiple factors, that’s why they will never give a number as a rule. People will just misrepresent. If, for example, they said open restaurants at 200 cases per day. That’s a very different proposition when numbers are falling rapidly or slowly, high hospitalisation or low, winter/ summer etc etc

But this is proving the point I’m making.

We have no quantifiable point to actually relax restrictions again this year so it will follow the path of 2020 in relaxation of restrictions, as Leo said this week.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But this is proving the point I’m making.

We have no quantifiable point to actually relax restrictions again this year so it will follow the path of 2020 in relaxation of restrictions, as Leo said this week.

We don’t. We may like to know, but that’s not our job.

hynesie08

landofthetree wrote: »

Also construction and schools were both supposed to stay open under Level 5. We are currently under level 5+.

Opening them isn't taken us out of level 5.

So it's about pubs, why didn't you say.

Kunta Kinte

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Hopefully they align construction with the rest of Europe sometime before Summer. (It never shut in Europe I was told this week)

Any chance of a link to back up that claim?

batman_oh

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

If people flout rules in any walk of life then they may expect to be fined or prosecuted. That`s the way it works old buddy even though a few here seem to believe otherwise.

Not if they are travellers or gangs of teenagers on bicycles or in a field though

landofthetree

hynesie08 wrote: »

So it's about pubs, why didn't you say.

Couldnt care less about the pubs to be honest.

GazzaL

landofthetree wrote: »

Lockdown will go on well past March due to a shortage of vaccines.

Level.5 till July according to the Taoiseach.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40217615.html

What a joke. If you have money, move it out of Ireland because these dickheads are going to destroy the economy and they will be putting their hands into your pockets even deeper to pay for the mess they're creating.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

So it's about pubs, why didn't you say.

This is pathetic at this stage

Kunta Kinte

Kunta Kinte wrote: »

Any chance of a link to back up that claim?

Are you going to ask for a link for everything someone posts?

Look it up yourself

landofthetree

Parlon remarked that “no other country – barring some US states and Italy in the initial wave – have shut down construction during lockdowns. Most recently, the UK and Scotland have entered lockdown and left construction operational.”

https://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/ireland-shuts-down-construction-covid-cases-rise/