Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120359211#Comment_120359211

Depends on what you class as winning and losing. Don't think he ever thought he would actually win in 2016, he certainly had no plan in place for it.

Winning for him was increasing brand awareness, staying as a TV celebrity.

The 2020 election was about winning the POTUS, because he had it so it was his to lose

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120360690#Comment_120360690

Yes it's quite disgusting but ten I woukd not expect anything else from such a vile creature.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120360964#Comment_120360964

Good point.

Hopefully he loses again.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120342736#Comment_120342736

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120343142#Comment_120343142

But: 2020 revealed the new escape hatch for him, even if it's the most dangerous narrative in modern American politics: that is, "the election was rigged, Trump was robbed". Don't have to worry about being a loser if the rhetoric says Trump never lost in the first place. We've seen often enough so far he doesn't care about the consequences of his words - I don't expect things to change now. IIRC Mike Lindell et al are still peddling the Stolen Election narrative on Newsmax and suchlike.

At this stage, is it that ludicrous to think that if he ran & lost the Primary, he wouldn't just fashion a new narrative that the GOP Mainstream are colluding with the Democrats? The cult of Trump has already divorced itself of anything resembling reality, it doesn't seem that extreme a jump. And as long as they keep throwing money and adoration towards Trump, would he care that much? And we've already seen the GOP leadership is kinda terrified of this Matt Gaetz, M.T. Greene lunatic rump.

Who knows if DeSantis might split the crazy "anti woke" vote, perhaps there's a chance of a circular firing squad here.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362201#Comment_120362201

Yes but him lying about winning is not the same as actually winning. Yes, the base will always be there to lap up his lies and fall for his grifts. What he really really cares about, deep down though, is the validation from the people who he thinks have disrespected him his whole life: basically the same "elites" that he's always railed against. So the New York Times, establishment politicians, career diplomats, hell even other world leaders. When he won they all had to give him the respect due to the office. When he lost they were all free to ignore him again. He'd love to win again just to "show" those people.

aloyisious

YouTube has decided to reinstate Trumps account and let him post videos on its platform as he is running for president again.

pixelburp

Trump claiming on TruthSocial that he expects to be arrested on Tuesday, involving the case re. hush payments made to Stormy Daniels (remember her?). No confirmation or denial on the matter yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/mar/18/donald-trump-arrest-stormy-daniels-

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120362393#Comment_120362393

One has to suppose those who "supported" him from international media organisations to individual media hosts whose true positions have been shown in their own documents provided in ongoing court cases will probably be labelled by him as disloyal. It remains to be shown if he will let rip or restrain his feelings about those in control of YouTube and Facebook. The same probably applies to those big private funders who were with him in the past.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120372819#Comment_120372819

The Irish Examiner and MSNBC reports indicate that the arrest Trump expects is in relation to the NY Grand Jury hearings. Trump himself stated that the fact he expects to be arrested is based on what he refers to as an "illegal" leak from the Grand Jury.

amandstu

Would be fun if someone pulled off a citizen's arrest on the old geezer

They could identify themselves as "the Deep State"

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aloyisious

Some-one repeated a question in the past day as to what Trump's Secret Service detail would do if another US law agency moved to arrest Trump on foot of an indictment and arrest warrant ordered served on him in a criminal matter? Would the agency the Secret Service answered to [Homeland Security] order the Secret Service to comply with its prime lawful and legal obligations to the US over any obligations the protection detail might feel it bore to Trump by standing aside to permit the arrest of Trump while providing the required degree of safety for Trump as an arrested person? I reckon either of the two agencies would have failed in their duties to prepare for such an arrest and plan procedures to cover the eventuality - even if it was kept in a secure filing cabinet. It would certainly decide matters in respect of the USSC and impartiality.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374735#Comment_120374735

They would not stop him being arrested. There is some precedent for this. Both of George W Bush's daughters had secret service details. Both were arrested for underage drinking and their detail did not intervene.

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374820#Comment_120374820

Would his detail put themselves in legal jeopardy for impeding a lawful court order if they prevented his arrest? (ie be arrested themselves)

I understand he is not going to be arrested but may be asked to present himself .

If he refuses to comply I am not familiar with ensuing procedure.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374929#Comment_120374929

No, his detail would not put themselves jn legal jeopardy by impeding a lawful court order. The idea is preposterous.

You're right, there won't be an arrest and perpetual walk. He will be asked to attend with his lawyer.

looksee

His own secret service security would be disinterested rather than loyal toadies. They are only protecting him from illegal attack.

Completely OT aside re secret service: I was part of an entertainment group at an Irish castle for a minor event involving a US dignitary. The main gate was completely protected by gardai with everyone being checked. Meanwhile we were wandering in and out of a nearby and completely open side gate, all of us wearing (replica but still potentially dangerous) weapons of some sort, we had not been vetted or checked in any way. I was very amused to see one person wandering around wearing a badge that read 'Secret Service'.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374929#Comment_120374929

Seems sensible to attend by appointment with a lawyer, same as happens here at Garda stations.

aloyisious

MSNBC and other news agencies are reporting that the NY Grand Jury has voted to indict Trump in connection with bribery in the Stormy Daniels case. It'd be nice of him if he just shows with his lawyers by pre-arrangement for whatever processing has to take place, and not with a mob this time.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120421608#Comment_120421608

This is Trump we are talking about, he will want a mob there no matter what.

Larbre34

He won't get one.

When he asked people to turn up at the NY DA's office last week, the only ones that came were opponents of him.

The prosecution of Jan 6 perpetrators to the fullest have scared off the cowards that may have turned out for him previously. His rallies and appearances are barely 20% attended.

It should become evident soon, even to him, that his active base is ebbing away and that independent voters from 2016 are long gone from him.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120421762#Comment_120421762

I hope you are right on this. As entertaining January 6th was (if thats the right word), someone died needlessly. I am looking forward to his mugshot.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120374937#Comment_120374937

an arrest and perpetual walk

shame, that sounds like a fitting Victorian-style punishment for a old school tycoon

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120421740#Comment_120421740

It was reported his team want a shot of him in handcuffs to boost the fundraising and for the spotlight. I don't think this case will harm him to much, but what might be coming elsewhere will give his legal team sleepless nights.

Timberrrrrrrr

Holy crappolla is it finally happening?😁

https://www.upday.com/uk/donald-trump-indicted-over-alleged-hush-money-payments-us-media-reports?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

"A lawyer for Donald Trump told the Associated Press on Thursday that he has been told the former president has been indicted on charges involving payments made during the 2016 presidential campaign to silence claims of an extramarital sexual encounter.

It becomes the first ever criminal case against a former US president and a jolt to Trump’s bid to retake the White House in 2024.

Joe Tacopina, a lawyer for Trump, said he had been told that a grand jury that had been meeting for months voted to indict Trump. The specific charges were not immediately made public."

spacecoyote

34 counts in the indictment. That sounds like more than just stormy stuff?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120421919#Comment_120421919

It wont hurt him with his base, but nothing will do that. they are locked in.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120422013#Comment_120422013

I think they finally got Weiselberg to talk.

His recent change of lawyers supports that theory.

He ditched the Trump funded ones and got his own independent council.

Given how long he has been the Trump Org CFO, the dirt he might have could be monumental.

BorneTobyWilde

Going after an ex president like this just confirms to most Americans, that people are using their powers to go after an opponent for political reasons, it's not a good look, and you'd now expect the same to happen to Biden if the Republicans win 2024 race for the White House, tit for tat politics, we all know it's about stopping Trump's 2024 bid, I fear it's playing into his hands though, as he'll spin it his way.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423633#Comment_120423633

If biden has broken the law then I would welcome him being prosecuted. None of trumps supporters can say the same thing. they (and presumably you) dont care that he has committed crimes.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423676#Comment_120423676

In all fairness every President has technically broken laws, the point is you don't go after them for stuff that is so trivial, stuff that the public has no interest in ,or effects the public in any way.

Leroy42

Exactly. Weren't Trump and the GOP all in for locking up HC? Wan't that political?

And they went full in on Hunter Biden. He wasn't running or even involved in the campaign but it was useful to try to target Biden.

So claims of the law being unfair fall when the GOP and Trump have attempted to weaponize the law in their favour for years.

But if this is noting bit a political witch-hunt then Trump has nothing to worry about and, as his supporters continue to claim, a failure to actually convict will only help Trump. So I really fail to see how this is a bad thing for Trump.

I mean apart from Trump himself admitting the affair, apart from Guiliani admitting that the payment and the cover up did happen, Trump is obviously innocent.

And it always staggers me how quickly the right are prepared to allege that the justice system is totally biased and so easily manipulated against them, yet when ever one tries to discuss racism in police of the legal system it is always that the system works and shouldn't be called into question.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423753#Comment_120423753

Trump broke the laws in question before he was president. Does becoming president wipe the slate clean? Give permanent immunity from prosecution?