Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442297#Comment_120442297

Then why oh why would everyone on the CNN panel last night we crying into their Cornflakes. One guy say '' I'm so disappointed that there is not more in this indictment '' Which in itself is a very telling statement, why would someone say those words, he was openly expressing he wanted President Trump to have more charges. That right there is hatred, mask totally dropped, and it confirms there was nothing in this indictment, that the case should never have been brought.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443541#Comment_120443541

you dont think they haven't already tried that?

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443209#Comment_120443209

Can you cite this poll?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/03/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment/index.html

The indictment might boost his chances of securing the Republican nomination but is not likely to enhance his position in the presidential election itself.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443662#Comment_120443662

Maybe because we know there is more charges for more different things that we know Trump has done wrong, but spreading all this out over a longer time just makes it that bit longer before we can finally be shot of Trump and move on with politics being boring as it should be.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443662#Comment_120443662

Everyone was crying into their cornflakes? Really? Come on. They are disappointed that even more hasn't been brought because everyone and the dog know that Trump is into some dodgy stuff. Hell, just look at his charity and Trump University.

So it is somewhat annoying that he continues to seemingly evade the full extent of his dealings. People were upset that Capone was done for tax evasion when everyone knew he had far bigger issues. I feel the same way. Where is the case about the Georgia vote fraud? What about Jan 6th charges? But this is movement, and you can see from Trumps demeanour, both in the court and most tellingly in the press conference later, that Trump knows this is serious. If this was nothing then Trump would have been dancing a jig in Florida, claiming that it would be nothing and that he wasn't in the least bit worried.

That is his MO. He comes out defiant. But not yesterday. Yesterday he acted like a man that knew he was in serious trouble.

Trump thought he was bullet proof. First when he was POTUS, and now because he is the GOP frontrunner. He thought he was above the law. Yesterday, regardless of the outcome of this case, he knows that that is no longer true. I doubt he is overly worried about these particular charges but he knows this opens the door for more serious cases coming down the tracks.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443541#Comment_120443541

Emmm. Have you missed the last while? They have been attempting it for years. It was a campaign pledge from Trump himself ffs. They aren't going to suddenly succeed because Trump got caught out breaking the law.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443541#Comment_120443541

One point of the charges is to break the ice with regard to Trump's supposed presidential immunity from prosecution. When the other offences he's accused of in other US states come to court, there wont be so much bleating from him. The main witness of his attempt to corrupt the election in Georgia and deny the voters there the result they decided on will be a Republican office-holder, with former members of his crew he appointed to political posts having already provided testimony against him where it comes to what he said over the infamous phone conversation.

One other thing when it comes to the Republican Party insistence that the charges against Trump are grounded in politics and not legal is that if they win with their claim, it will sink any charges attempts they make against Biden and his family members on the same basis & give Biden a generic immunity.

Trump's bleating every day about those in charge of the legal charges and trials against him, despite being advised against it, has danger for him and the party he represents, given that not all the state and DOJ lawyers, prosecutors and judges, let alone jury members, are democrats or liberals rushing to judgement on him. He has persuaded Republicans to be nay-voters against him, should he get to run as the party nominee in the next election.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443209#Comment_120443209

Yes well, it's Marjorie Taylor Greene who made the likeness comparison between Trump and Mandela, throwing in Jesus Christ as well.

salmocab

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444895#Comment_120444895

Wait till she finds out Jesus Christ was a Jew.

DJ02

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443723#Comment_120443723

I'm laughing so hard here. I just saw you quoted a poll from CNN about Trump. It's more like asking a goat to take care of a yam for you. Even dumb people know that CNN has always never been objective when it comes to Trump. If you had quoted from neutral sources then your argument would have had weight and credibility.

DJ02

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443234#Comment_120443234

I hope you know that even Trump can contest from jail if he's convicted? That's exactly what he's even praying for. However he pleads his sentence will still fall to his favor. I really don't have time not energy to expatiate. Secondly, you say it's law enforcement. I laugh. It shows you're probably politically naive. Haven't you wondered why this indictment came up by this time when he was heating up his campaign for the presidency? This was a case that had been dormant since 2015, a year before his election into power. I won't go into deeper details on the conspiracy. But Trump actually turned himself in deliberately because he smelt the opportunity to rack up his ratings and that is exactly what this has done for him. Lol

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443209#Comment_120443209

They are making him look like a self proclaimed socialist and someone who those on the right called a communist terrorist?

Trump fans might want to read a book or two instead of burning and banning them.

wexfordman2

You are not being asked to defend slavery, just to defend your statement/point of view!

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120443150#Comment_120443150

He may plead out from a felony to a misdemeanour if there was 1 or 2 charges.

But the NYDA will gladly go to trial with 32 felony charges. If he pleads it will be for a reduced sentence and some of the felony charges. He won’t go to jail anyway, but if he pleads guilty he’s done.

The only way out for Trump here is to go to trial and go for exoneration.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444883#Comment_120444883

One other thing when it comes to the Republican Party insistence that the charges against Trump are grounded in politics and not legal is that if they win with their claim, it will sink any charges attempts they make against Biden and his family members on the same basis & give Biden a generic immunity.

I think this is a bit naive. The GOP are happy to have one rule for them and another for the Dems. Remember when they said a democratic president couldn't elect a new Supreme Court judge close to an election but had no problem doing it themselves when they elected kavanaugh.

Sam Russell

I think the NY state court was used as a first indictment for Trump because it is outside the SCOTUS jurisdiction.

That breaks the taboo of indicting a former President. Other states, particularly Georgia, can now follow. The next hearing in NY is not till December - lots of time for other states and the DOJ to pile in with their tuppence worth.

Quin_Dub

There is not a single person who has seen Trump be indicted and thought " I was never going to vote for him before, but now that he's been indicted I'm definitely going to vote for him"

Not one single vote has moved from Democrat to GOP because of this, not one.

There isn't a single voter that didn't vote for Trump in 2020 that is going to vote for him this time around.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120447641#Comment_120447641

Yea, but even that is dangerous. He got a huge vote last time and the GOP are masters of voter suppression

Water John

Yes, but the boil has to be lanced.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120446771#Comment_120446771

I was thinking about court cases external to the USSC. That particular court seems, at the moment, to be fixated in bringing in judgements which suit persons of a particular set, and not the average citizen. However, that being said, the present USSC bench MIGHT find it hard to bring in a judgement which bluntly approved of one party's resident in the the White House over the other party's resident there and expect there to be no repercussions on them.

That being said, I suppose Trumps statement in Iowa years ago that he could stand on 5th Avenue and shoot someone and he wouldn't lose a vote would be proof of your post. I cant imagine another country classing itself as a democracy where a person running for election as head of state and national government would get away with using that as an electoral slogan. It showed how much the R-party had allowed him to pocket it.

aloyisious

Does the DA have to immediately inform the defence of any witnesses or of their testimony content being produced in future hearings [as in Trumps next hearing in Dec] or can the DA produce either the witness or testimony only on the day catching the defence on the hop? I assume there is no way it would be allowed as part of court legal procedure, as it might provide a basis for mistrial calls from Trumps legal team.

It seems there is speculation about Allen Weisselberg involvement in Trumps financial schemes providing more evidence of further criminal offences committed by his former employer. Trump's firm stopped providing legal services to Weisselberg recently.

The sight of Trump losing it in court and going wild on his defence team along with the DA and the judge would be some image for a courtroom artist to catch on paper for reprint and publication is very tempting.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451410#Comment_120451410

a list witnesses, yes. nothing else about them though

amandstu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120451410#Comment_120451410

Anything apart from the lawyer story to put flesh on the Weisselberg speculation?

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120452289#Comment_120452289

Just the online media sources. The withdrawal of paid-for lawyers from Weisselberg was in the online media last week before MSNBC ran its story. It might be part of the war between media sources trying to unsettle the other party, pun intended.

For Forks Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120444958#Comment_120444958

"the Soros-funded Jesus Christ" 🙄

BorneTobyWilde

When you see the Left and Right alike calling this case against Trump as a serious over reach you just know it will be dismissed at first attempt, Bragg has a lot to answer for on this, he acted like Putin in using his power to bring charges against a rival. This is not how the US should be acting, it's so dangerous.

Water John

However, unlike Putin, if the evidence says Trump is not guilty, he wont go to jail. Bit of a difference.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120455613#Comment_120455613

Who on the left has said this? Claims require citation.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120455613#Comment_120455613

Have you bothered to read what he was charged with yet?

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120455613#Comment_120455613

Do you notice that the DAs that trump is targeting in his cases all happen to be people of colour and trump is calling them racist. Your thoughts on that fact?