Donald Trump discussion Thread IX (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423633#Comment_120423633

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pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423753#Comment_120423753

Like who: who "technically" broke laws? And please don't say things like George W. Bush WRT Iraq or some-such: I'm asking about standard breakages of domestic law you're implying should be ignored.

The rule of law either exists, or it doesn't: equivocating about what the "public" is interested in or not has nothing to do with it. But introducing the sliding scale is exactly the kind of thin end of the wedge that breeds corruption and thinking that certain classes of society should be exempt.

We don't always manage to hold the rich and powerful to account - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try, or nail them to the wall when they're this arrogantly brazen.

Christy42

The hilarious thing is that we were assured that Trump was innocent because of innocent till proven guilty but now they are in a huff because people are about to prove Trump guilty.

salmocab

I love how things are framed, it’s all: everyone knows or the majority of Americans, we all know it’s…..

it’s direct from trumps own play book, say any aul crap and keep going ignoring reality along the way.

everything is a witch hunt he and his followers think that he should be above consequences for actions.

Water John

This indictment not only has its own merits, it also opens the gates for all the other ones in the pipeline. A former president has been indicted for the first time ever.

beggars_bush

This has to be followed through all the way for US democracy

This hush money hugely influenced the election

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424807#Comment_120424807

And Rudi explained how they funnelled it on live TV, the mind boggles

pixelburp

That axiom has its limits though. As we have been increasingly seeing, the indulgence in Trumpism has shrunk; not to the extent the GOP has outright abandoned him and his acolytes but there's no strong indication he'll walk the Primary. Rather, it feels like the Reps are waiting for a cast iron, slam dunk candidate they can back. While his continued conspiratorial narrative, alongside the building legal jeopardy doesn't read like a winner.

Aside from anything else. His Presidency was an experiment that failed; while logic doesn't play well in American elections Trump has 4 years of chaos and a pandemic against the argument for another go at the wheel.

Fathom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120425018#Comment_120425018

The potential 2024 GOP presidential candidates anticipate roughly 30 percent of Republican registered voters (Forever Trumpsters) giving Trump a plurality to win the primary. That Trump base is hard to beat in primaries.

Water John

Yes, the odds are, he'll be the GOP candidate. Let him run and lose again. Only way to puncture the madness.

hotmail.com

The threat of violence like what we've seen in France in recent weeks is highly unlikely.

The biggest trick the media tried to convey was that there was lots of Trump voters. When really, in America Republican voters vote for the Republican candidate no matter who he is. They kept this trick up to anger those that hated Trump. It continues to work.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120425496#Comment_120425496

Could see him running again in 2028 if he were to lose again tbh.

He has minimum 35% of the party who are Trump dead-enders, they don't care about policy, they simply love Trump. Out of the other 65%,,,I would suggest their is best case scenario 5-15% of GOP voters who won't touch him in the primary, the rest will go with the flow. They probably think he is a berk but don't hugely dislike him either.

More than enough for Trump to work with.

I reckon he struggles when it comes to a rematch v Biden, MAGA candidates did SFA in the swing states in 2022, and I look at the likes of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania , Wisconsin, New Hampshire and he starts as outsider in all of them. I could see North Carolina been close also.

How he wins even with the Electoral College, I don't know.

aloyisious

Trump has been repeating his it's Political and it's a Witch-hunt claims about the indictment but hasn't trotted out his Fake News line [afaik] about it which might be a sign that he knows there is evidence he cant rebut should he ever face trial. Depending what the DA decides to prosecute Trump with should decide whether Trump will be asked to testify and answer questions from the witness stand about the money given to Stormy Daniels on his behalf.

The mention of a charge related to financial fiddling might be connected to evidence from his former book-keeper who has lost the lawyers paid for by Trump's firm.

What continually amazes me is the Republicans fixation with Trump and it's intent to stand by him when he is neither a Republican loyalist nor a Republican Politician, just a chancer who doesn't give a damn about it.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120428776#Comment_120428776

American conservativism is an absolute cesspit at the moment, but there's been an element of shitbaggery about it since Regan's time. Plus, there's a win at all costs attitude amongst American voters, even if that win comes at the cost of one's own best interests. On top of this you have a really stupid echelon of voters that simply can't see, refuse to see, (or worst of all) see and not care about the political nadir of people like Donald Trump, so long as they think he'll get one up on the people they hate.

The truly sad thing about it is that this isn't going to change any time soon. Probably not in our lifetimes anyway.

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120430535#Comment_120430535

Probably the best thing going for the Democrats is their ability to keep their mouths closed and not respond to requests for comments about Trumps travails or other distractions, unlike the Republicans who don't. The way the Republicans governors and senators keep sprouting laws out of their ***** against freedoms they and others have just for the publicity they gain from their output should, with a bit of luck, run them out of road on which to do u-turns resulting in a an almighty pile-up for them.

BorneTobyWilde

All the big build up, and there was nothing , Trump had a tail light slightly dimmer than the other. Geez

BorneTobyWilde

Cohen paid Stormy, Trump repaid Cohen, oh wow, watch out Ted Bundy, there is a new evil in town. I feel sorry for Alvin Bragg, this is so embarrassing.

Water John

Well Cohen did jail time for that nothingburger.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441665#Comment_120441665

You don't understand the charges do you?

I.R.Y.E.D

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441665#Comment_120441665

Pfeiffer was being very kind in his description of his supporters if they think its about just paying Daniels

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441865#Comment_120441865

I didn't pay much attention to be honest, if there was something major it would be on the news, but all I see is '' he forgot to cross the T's and dot the I's'' . It's all very sad.

BorneTobyWilde

34 charges, and no crime mentioned in any of them. It's laughable, and has no chance to succeed as a case, what a waste of taxpayers money

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442099#Comment_120442099

34 counts of Falsification of business records, whether you think so or not, is a crime

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442099#Comment_120442099

34 felony charges; the clue is in the name. You can be facetious all you like but it doesn't escape the reality that those charges are the crime being accused. Still waiting on a response about the previous Presidents who "technically" broke laws: because you seem to have a very exacting sense of what should be prosecuted as a crime and what shouldn't - it'd be instructive if you at least elaborated on where the line exists?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120423837#Comment_120423837

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442099#Comment_120442099

I don't think you read the charges correctly if you no crime was mentioned.

The AG described it all in his press conference.

At the very least read up on what is happening before trying to laugh it off. Seems you have simply taken the word Trump from the headline and used that to make your mind up.

What really amuses me is that all of this was so easy to avoid. These payments are small money for a supposed billionaire. Even a millionaire. Yet he still put them through the company as expenses rather than just paying out of his own funds.

That is what is catching him out. Being tight fisted is what has landed him in the court.

Sam Russell

The reports are that he has top lawyers defending him, so he must have paid them upfront because he has history of stiffing his lawyers.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442334#Comment_120442334

This leads me to a thought: you'd have to wonder if the Prosecution have a slam-dunk case here, cos the Cult of Trump is bulletproof at this stage within his (admittedly, slowly diminishing base). Fúcking up could be costly.

A case that goes all the way to judgement and Trump gets a Not Guilty? Arguably, that result would be even more politically problematic 'cos while Guilty nails down the Persecution Complex and creates a martyr, Trump walking away in the clear then generates a narrative that indeed, Trump was being hounded and he's "innocent" (insofar as anyone like Donald Trump can be innocent).

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120441645#Comment_120441645

Yeah the media were clearly hoping for protests and violence. In the end, hardly anyone there. More media there than members of the public.

It was a low point for serious news organisations with their coverage yesterday.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442358#Comment_120442358

Trump has been very, very, careful to shield himself from the worst of his actions and has been quite clever in his use of words with regards to his more nefarious activities. He's also happy to let minions fall on their sword too and has manoeuvred "lessers" into positions where they'll take the fall instead of him. I'd say there's a good chance that the prosecution may well not get him on any of the charges, because measures have been put in place to distance trump from them.

I hope they have a really solid case here.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120442087#Comment_120442087

It is on the news. all over the news. if that is all you are seeing then you need to look harder.