Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

lulublue22

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Disappointing but predictable

Some sort of structured remote learning lol

Unions having a laugh

Just not doable for many many kids with special needs

So much for protecting the most vulnerable in society this time around

No unions protecting their members. Any comment on the withdrawal of 1:1 supports for children with additional needs ? Surely these 1:1 should be up and running for the most vulnerable seeing as it is perfectly safe for children with AN to return to school.

Midnight Sundance

rob316 wrote: »

So many people effected in this pandemic, teachers unwilling to do their part to help the most vulnerable of children. It's frankly disgusting but unsurprising.

Would you send your vulnerable child into a setting where there's no proper safety measures to prevent the spread of covid? The adults wearing a cloth mask and that's the only ppe they have. Amongst a group of other children unable to keep up their own personal hygiene, a room with possibly up to 6 adults at one time.
Probably a freezing cold room because ventilation is poor so windows have to be kept open -possibly in the middle of a cold spell if we are to believe the news forecasts
Would you put your other family members at risk by allowing your child to mix with a number of households and possibly bring home covid, all whilst our hospitals are pleading with us to stay at home because they are at the brink of collapse
I know my children are my most valued thing in life and I wouldn't
The occupational therapist, speech therapists , respite etc have all stopped taking kids. These are what these vulnerable children need right now. School should not be plugging the huge gaps in welfare that the government aren't providing.
There's not a teacher in this country that does not care about the vulnerable children
They don't want to go in because they do care about them.they care about their safety.something the government should be looking after

Str8outtaWuhan

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

INTO by-laws prohibit CEC from issuing a directive without a ballot.

So if the gov hold their nerve will teachers either have to turn up or some new type of FEMPI?

jrosen

Utter failure to not have a remote plan in place, no excuse for the dept not to have done it. Would have been better to have a plan we never needed than have no plan at all.

But I can’t see how a remote plan would work some students who have additional needs. Doesn’t impact me directly but I do think something should have been put in place for those students as a priority.

Birdy

The special schools are open in the North. They never closed. Have there been many outbreaks? The virus is arguably even more rampant there.

How are these pupils engaging in remote learning? What are their teachers and SNA's doing for them?

wirelessdude01

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

So if the gov hold their nerve will teachers either have to turn up or some new type of FEMPI?

There is a massive game of chicken being played out.

I see the government have pulled the plug.

km79

Birdy wrote: »

The special schools are open in the North. They never closed. Have there been many outbreaks? The virus is arguably even more rampant there.

How are these pupils engaging in remote learning? What are their teachers and SNA's doing for them?

They are under different governance

vid36

Rates here are much higher than the north and they are a month ahead of us in vaccination rollout.

km79

Normas position is almost untenable now
Absolutely none of her “education partners “ can have any respect for her now

If the leaving certs want predicted grades or whatever mish mash they want they will get it too
She is making Joe McHugh look competent

Icyseanfitz

Birdy wrote: »

The special schools are open in the North. They never closed. Have there been many outbreaks? The virus is arguably even more rampant there.

How are these pupils engaging in remote learning? What are their teachers and SNA's doing for them?

There has been a repoted case of covid in every special school in NI, and our numbers are worse right now. That was before the new variants btw.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-54920050

Tandey

rob316 wrote: »

So many people effected in this pandemic, teachers unwilling to do their part to help the most vulnerable of children. It's frankly disgusting but unsurprising.

Completely agree. If they weren’t been given the same wages I guarantee you they would want to be back to work. Kids not even been given zoom calls here only a load of homework.

Threadbanned for having an opinion and given the rolleye treatment. Laughable.

KrustyUCC

lulublue22 wrote: »

No unions protecting their members. Any comment on the withdrawal of 1:1 supports for children with additional needs ? Surely these 1:1 should be up and running for the most vulnerable seeing as it is perfectly safe for children with AN to return to school.

I don't know enough about that but yes those services should be up and running too

Nobody is saying its perfectly safe

Nowhere is perfectly safe

Ronan Glynn covered this yesterday

I'm an essential worker and need to go to work when asked or else I won't get paid

For the most part schools can be online and tbf many teachers are working hard

Others are not

Online learning does not work for these kids

You look at all of the UK school never stopped for kids with special needs

Looks like families will just have just pick up the pieces here instead and try to stop the kids regressing as much as the first lockdown

harr

How many teachers /Sna are we talking about ?
Surely early vaccines for school staff should be on the table at this stage ..
A lot of people really don’t have any idea what it’s like having a child at home 24-7 without any support what so ever , like many many families home schooling is not an option.
Other siblings at home also struggling to get school work done due to the upheaval.
Such a roller coaster of emotions the last few weeks..

wirelessdude01

harr wrote: »

How many teachers /Sna are we talking about ?
Surely early vaccines for school staff should be on the table at this stage ..
A lot of people really don’t have any idea what it’s like having a child at home 24-7 without any support what so ever , like many many families home schooling is not an option.
Other siblings at home also struggling to get school work done due to the upheaval.
Such a roller coaster of emotions the last few weeks..

Norma announced to the dail today that teachers would not be moved up the vaccine list.

Icyseanfitz

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I don't know enough about that but yes those services should be up and running too

Nobody is saying its perfectly safe

Nowhere is perfectly safe

Ronan Glynn covered this yesterday

I'm an essential worker and need to go to work when asked or else I won't get paid

For the most part schools can be online and tbf many teachers are working hard

Others are not

Online learning does not work for these kids

You look at all of the UK school never stopped for kids with special needs

Looks like families will just have just pick up the pieces here instead and try to stop the kids regressing as much as the first lockdown

Actually the department of education, Norma Foley, our government, and a lot of media outlets are saying exactly that.

Rubberchikken

They have had months to put plans in place. But that's not going to happen.
Instead there will be discussions and leaks and general whining on all parts.

The money that has been wasted and is still being wasted by the hse could have been spent instead onaking as many classrooms as possible safe for as many kids as possible.

Murple

khalessi wrote: »

Germany closing schools

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-coronavirus-merkel-and-state-premiers-meet-over-new-measures/a-56271628?maca=en-Twitter-sharing

I keep hearing people saying about ‘every other country’ and how they are so prepared, most schools open, children online everyday with full lessons etc etc
Scroll down in the article linked above to see a video clip entitled ‘Germany Ill-prepared for second round of school closures’. Many of the issues in this country are exactly the same as the ones described in the clip including how it is was up to teachers to sort out their own devices and methods for remote learning the government did nothing. A school featured in the clip is also described as remaining closed, no mention of being open for children of certain workers or for children with additional needs.

KrustyUCC

harr wrote: »

How many teachers /Sna are we talking about ?
Surely early vaccines for school staff should be on the table at this stage ..
A lot of people really don’t have any idea what it’s like having a child at home 24-7 without any support what so ever , like many many families home schooling is not an option.
Other siblings at home also struggling to get school work done due to the upheaval.
Such a roller coaster of emotions the last few weeks..

Yes its very hard for families alright and the longer this goes on the worse its going to get unfortunately

Stateofyou

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I don't know enough about that but yes those services should be up and running too

Nobody is saying its perfectly safe

Nowhere is perfectly safe

Ronan Glynn covered this yesterday

I'm an essential worker and need to go to work when asked or else I won't get paid

For the most part schools can be online and tbf many teachers are working hard

Others are not

Online learning does not work for these kids

You look at all of the UK school never stopped for kids with special needs

Looks like families will just have just pick up the pieces here instead and try to stop the kids regressing as much as the first lockdown

The UK has been a shining beacon of example of what to do in a pandemic? That's news to me.

Tandey

km79 wrote: »

They are under different governance

Exactly, also the Covid is the same up north.

KrustyUCC

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Actually the department of education, Norma Foley, our government, and a lot of media outlets are saying exactly that.

Ronan Glynn covered this well yesterday

https://www.thejournal.ie/children-special-needs-school-5328483-Jan2021/?amp=1

Tandey

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Norma announced to the dail today that teachers would not be moved up the vaccine list.

Nor will shop assistants I’d imagine.

thomasdylan

Stateofyou wrote: »

The UK has been a shining beacon of example of what to do in a pandemic? That's news to me.

That wasn't what was said. You can ignore some of the positives of the UKs response because of the many negatives.

That's lazy lazy thinking.

khalessi

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I don't know enough about that but yes those services should be up and running too

Nobody is saying its perfectly safe

Nowhere is perfectly safe

Ronan Glynn covered this yesterday

I'm an essential worker and need to go to work when asked or else I won't get paid

For the most part schools can be online and tbf many teachers are working hard

Others are not

Online learning does not work for these kids

You look at all of the UK school never stopped for kids with special needs

Looks like families will just have just pick up the pieces here instead and try to stop the kids regressing as much as the first lockdown

Krusty, harr, Pidgeonchaser, and to the other parents of children with additional needs. I am sorry this is so hard for you the parents of children with additional needs. I think it is appalling that they constantly are the group to suffer. I watched this when I was a nurse, I started out in residential service in my teens and as a nurse and as a teacher and all along various governments have eroded services in this area because they know it is a silent voice despite parents screaming as loud as they can to get assistance.

Schools increasingly covered the broked health system as it became the place where OT, physio SLT NEPS was carried out. There should have been a plan and one where these services could acces schools to carry out their services.

However, the Minister was asked for a plan since last March but refused to look at one. Instead we had cleaning budget/ppe cut on 23rd December and not reinstated yet. She weaponised children with additional needs to get schools reopened and raised hopes of parents. It was a horrible thing to do to parents under pressure. In the last few weeks she hhas been asked to consult with teachers and her response, to leak information to the media before teachers and to turn up to an organised meeting ohe hour late for 5 minutes.

The parents deserve better, the children and adults with additional needs deseve better and school staff deserve better.

I just hope that parents realise this has been done out of safety reasons and we can all work together in the future.

KrustyUCC

Stateofyou wrote: »

The UK has been a shining beacon of example of what to do in a pandemic? That's news to me.

Very hard to argue they didn't get that one right imo

They set priorities and kept schools open for vulnerable children not only special needs and children of key workers

Stateofyou

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Very hard to argue they didn't get that one right imo

They set priorities and kept schools open for vulnerable children not only special needs and children of key workers

Let's hear the argument that they got it right, then. Or is the only bar set in your mind, they opened, so it was right?

KrustyUCC

khalessi wrote: »

Krusty, harr, Pidgeonchaser, and to the other parents of children with additional needs. I am sorry this is so hard for you the parents of children with additional needs. I think it is appalling that they constantly are the group to suffer. I watched this when I was a nurse, I started out in residential service in my teens and as a nurse and as a teacher and all along various governments have eroded services in this area because they know it is a silent voice despite parents screaming as loud as they can to get assistance.

Schools increasingly covered the broked health system as it became the place where OT, physio SLT NEPS was carried out. There should have been a plan and one where these services could acces schools to carry out their services.

However, the Minister was asked for a plan since last March but refused to look at one. Instead we had cleaning budget/ppe cut on 23rd December and not reinstated yet. She weaponised children with additional needs to get schools reopened and raised hopes of parents. It was a horrible thing to do to parents under pressure. In the last few weeks she hhas been asked to consult with teachers and her response, to leak information to the media before teachers and to turn up to an organised meeting ohe hour late for 5 minutes.

The parents deserve better, the children and adults with additional needs deseve better and school staff deserve better.

I just hope that parents realise this has been done out of safety reasons and we can all work together in the future.

Very fair post in fairness to you

Thanks

Icyseanfitz

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Ronan Glynn covered this well yesterday

https://www.thejournal.ie/children-special-needs-school-5328483-Jan2021/?amp=1

And he is about the only government individual to state the obvious regarding no place being safe in a pandemic, funnily enough no media outlets have picked up on what he said and no one is talking about it. Norma and the department are 100% sticking to their "schools are safe" Narrative and thats all that we are hearing.

yerwanthere123

Tandey wrote: »

Nor will shop assistants I’d imagine.

The shop assistant role... definitely comparable with working in a small, poorly ventilated classroom with unmasked children.

Tandey

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

The shop assistant role... definitely comparable with working in a small, poorly ventilated classroom with unmasked children.

It wasn’t a comparison. It was a point that they don’t seem to be moving certain essential service workers up the vaccine chain.