Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Wombatman

wirelessdude01

tigger123 wrote: »

Not having a go, just wondering, where did you see this?

This government loves to leak, but I haven't seen Feb 22nd mentioned anywhere.

Journalists have been hintiing at it since Saturday night.

downthemiddle

appledrop wrote: »

Yep that magic fairy dust we sprinkle over everyone at school gates is amazing all right.

Bods and puddles keep away Covid troubles.

On a serious note....does Norma Foley not realise that her promoting schools as safe places in the midst of a pandemic when every other state accepts that they are not, is irresponsible?

Let's say schools do go back and God forbid, a child contracts and dies from Covid as a direct result of being in a classroom. The child's death will be on her hands. Is she accepting this? Does she realise there is a real chance of this happening?

Or does she know this is a possiblity but her own vain politically driven mindset is prepared to let it happen?

penny piper

Looks like the dept of education is using tactics of offering special needs teachers/snas extra concessions to go back to work on Thursday...more time off ...extra days...etc....but how is this addressing health/safety matters?

Stateofyou

blanch152 wrote: »

So teachers are now telling the public health experts that they know better about public health issues? Is that what is happening?

Unions. Maybe they do. Maybe I do too. I damn sure wouldn't have opened up the country over the holidays. Explain that one.

political analyst

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0119/1190583-sna-teachers/

Education Minister Norma Foley told the Cabinet today that the health advice is clear that schools and crèches are safe.

Does NPHET not know it is impossible to ensure that pupils wear masks and maintain distancing among themselves on the journeys to and from school, whether it's by bus (The drivers certainly won't be able to enforce the rules) or, for shorter journeys, walking in groups?

wirelessdude01

penny piper wrote: »

Looks like the dept of education is using tactics of offering special needs teachers/snas extra concessions to go back to work on Thursday...more time off ...extra days...etc....but how is this addressing health/safety matters?

It isn't. It's muddying the waters. Typical political move.

Stateofyou

billy_beckham wrote: »

Approx 2,000 cases today, roughly half I'm guessing in Dublin & Cork. Much smaller numbers spread across the rest of the counties. Why not open schools in counties where cases are below 500/day? Would the teachers be happy with that I wonder??

Will the hospitals be happy with that?

billy_beckham

km79 wrote: »

89 people died too

Absolutely correct, and God be good to each of them. But AFAIK its transmission rates not death rates that are the focus of teachers??

billy_beckham

Stateofyou wrote: »

Will the hospitals be happy with that?

Thread is about schools re-opening?

Stateofyou

billy_beckham wrote: »

Thread is about schools re-opening?

Yes..... you're very welcome to the threads I've been commenting on nearly a year so well aware thank you.

tigger123

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Journalists have been hintiing at it since Saturday night.

The Govt seem to be holding quite a firm line on Feb 1st.

I'd be surprised if they overnight moved it back by 3 weeks.

wirelessdude01

tigger123 wrote: »

The Govt seem to be holding quite a firm line on Feb 1st.

I'd be surprised if they overnight moved it back by 3 weeks.

Well I'm just saying what I've seen. Also reported in the Sunday papers.

vid36

tigger123 wrote: »

The Govt seem to be holding quite a firm line on Feb 1st.

I'd be surprised if they overnight moved it back by 3 weeks.

Norma is holding a firm line not the government.

rob316

TheTorment wrote: »

On a serious note....does Norma Foley not realise that her promoting schools as safe places in the midst of a pandemic when every other state accepts that they are not, is irresponsible?

Let's say schools do go back and God forbid, a child contracts and dies from Covid as a direct result of being in a classroom. The child's death will be on her hands. Is she accepting this? Does she realise there is a real chance of this happening?

Or does she know this is a possiblity but her own vain politically driven mindset is prepared to let it happen?

NPHET have constantly driven that schools are safe.

Str8outtaWuhan

TheTorment wrote: »

On a serious note....does Norma Foley not realise that her promoting schools as safe places in the midst of a pandemic when every other state accepts that they are not, is irresponsible?

Let's say schools do go back and God forbid, a child contracts and dies from Covid as a direct result of being in a classroom. The child's death will be on her hands. Is she accepting this? Does she realise there is a real chance of this happening?

Or does she know this is a possiblity but her own vain politically driven mindset is prepared to let it happen?

Child will have caught it "at home or within the community", not in school:D

tigger123

vid36 wrote: »

Norma is holding a firm line not the government.

Do you really think that she doesn't have the support of the Taoiseach and her Government colleagues?

There's no way she's on a solo run.

Icyseanfitz

rob316 wrote: »

NPHET have constantly driven that schools are safe.

Have you a link to an article from when schools finished on the 23rd December up until now where they have stated in no uncertain terms "schools are safe"

vid36

tigger123 wrote: »

Do you really think that she doesn't have the support of the Taoiseach and her Government colleagues?

There's no way she's on a solo run.

Yes, she was opening them up on January 11th remember, before Nphet and the cabinet shut her down.

tigger123

vid36 wrote: »

Yes, she was opening them up on January 11th remember, before Nphet and the cabinet shut her down.

And who made the decision to push it back to Jan 11th? The government.

Same with February 1st.

You'd be very naive to think she's the only one making the decision.

vid36

tigger123 wrote: »

And who made the decision to push it back to Jan 11th? The government.

Same with February 1st.

You'd be very naive to think she's the only one making the decision.

It was reported in three newspapers that schools will reopen for most kids on February 22. The possibility of Leaving Cert coming back on February 1 is the only issue and this was discussed in two of them.

wirelessdude01

rob316 wrote: »

NPHET have constantly driven that schools are safe.

You obviously didn't watch that sham of a webinar yesterday.

wirelessdude01

vid36 wrote: »

Yes, she was opening them up on January 11th remember, before Nphet and the cabinet shut her down.

Think perhaps the ASTI directive not to comply it it was also a factor. Forsa were also about to pull the plug then.

downthemiddle

37 hours until schools are due to reopen. This is madness,

History Queen

downthemiddle wrote: »

37 hours until schools are due to reopen. This is madness,

And bloody unfair on everyone.

harr

downthemiddle wrote: »

37 hours until schools are due to reopen. This is madness,

If they do and that’s a big if .. I can’t seen many special needs pupils being ready for Thursday.
Our school is still trying to come up with a workable system for pupils returning.
I know it’s not going to be possible for my son to return with less than 24hr notice.
He needs to mentally ready for any major upset in his routine and I can imagine a lot more will be in same situation.

beggars_bush

All because Norma released her press release last week, instead of waiting until this week and then planning to go back on Monday 25th

km79

harr wrote: »

If they do and that’s a big if .. I can’t seen many special needs pupils being ready for Thursday.
Our school is still trying to come up with a workable system for pupils returning.
I know it’s not going to be possible for my son to return with less than 24hr notice.
He needs to mentally ready for any major upset in his routine and I can imagine a lot more will be in same situation.

If there is any agreement reached surely the reopening will be pushed back to Monday now either way

Midnight Sundance

harr wrote: »

If they do and that’s a big if .. I can’t seen many special needs pupils being ready for Thursday.
Our school is still trying to come up with a workable system for pupils returning.
I know it’s not going to be possible for my son to return with less than 24hr notice.
He needs to mentally ready for any major upset in his routine and I can imagine a lot more will be in same situation.

Will you send your child in on Thursday or whatever day he feels ready, with numbers being so high?
I'm not trying to come across as judgemental or anything but I'm inquisitive about how many parents actually feel that schools are the safest place for their children right now, when hospitals could possibly have no icu bed for the child/family member that may contact covid because of mixing with other households