Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

jrosen

My friends school called her today. Her daughter is in main stream school but is autistic. She does not have an SNA but she is removed from class regularly.
They were calling to check in to see how she was and basically said she won’t be part of the group of students coming back this week. My friend pushed back, said she wasn’t doing well and she wanted her to return as soon as possible.

Midnight Sundance

jrosen wrote: »

My friends school called her today. Her daughter is in main stream school but is autistic. She does not have an SNA but she is removed from class regularly.
They were calling to check in to see how she was and basically said she won’t be part of the group of students coming back this week. My friend pushed back, said she wasn’t doing well and she wanted her to return as soon as possible.

Does your friend realise that her daughter will be back in a completely different school setting than she will have left? In a mix of possibly jun inf up to 6th class? No friends, no one else in school. Im not sure how nice an environment jt would be for someone who prefers routine

beggars_bush

Midnight Sundance wrote: »

Does your friend realise that her daughter will be back in a completely different school setting than she will have left? In a mix of possibly jun inf up to 6th class? No friends, no one else in school. Im not sure how nice an environment jt would be for someone who prefers routine

plus possibly not with the same teacher that takes her out nor with the same SNA, if she has access to one

hesaidshesaid

jrosen wrote: »

My friends school called her today. Her daughter is in main stream school but is autistic. She does not have an SNA but she is removed from class regularly.
They were calling to check in to see how she was and basically said she won’t be part of the group of students coming back this week. My friend pushed back, said she wasn’t doing well and she wanted her to return as soon as possible.

Letter from DES was very specific about who should return. There are three tiers of support, at primary level anyway. The top tier is called School Support Plus. Only children receiving that level of support are supposed to return. This is DES directed, not school directed.

Khalessi has previously described how she will have to stop supporting kids like your friend's daughter if we return to school. I am in the same position. It appears that your friend's daughter is accessing School Support, the second tier.

ETA: People really don't get how much the Dept. gets to dictate what happens in schools.

Summer2020

No reopening according to Emma o Kelly
Statement from unions shortly

lulublue22

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

Letter from DES was very specific about who should return. There are three tiers of support, at primary level anyway. The top tier is called School Support Plus. Only children receiving that level of support are supposed to return. This is DES directed, not school directed.

Khalessi has previously described how she will have to stop supporting kids like your friend's daughter if we return to school. I am in the same position. It appears that your friend's daughter is accessing School Support, the second tier.

Yet once again it will be individual schools who will fall in for the inevitable backlash / push back from parents that this decision will kick off.

wirelessdude01

Summer2020 wrote: »

No reopening according to Emma o Kelly
Statement from unions shortly

Joint statement incoming.

the kelt

Midnight Sundance wrote: »

Does your friend realise that her daughter will be back in a completely different school setting than she will have left? In a mix of possibly jun inf up to 6th class? No friends, no one else in school. Im not sure how nice an environment jt would be for someone who prefers routine

It was funny you mentioned this.

I was talking to a neighbour today who has a kid with special needs and asked was she going back in on Thursday.

He said no way, at least I know she’s safe at home but he mentioned something else that got me thinking.

He said where his daughter really benefits is when she’s in school with everyone else, it’s being part of the class, being with all her friends etc and he put it to me this way “without the other pupils the school is just a building! Why risk my family’s health to be taught in a different building”

His point was wait and get everyone back, the more people stay at home the quicker everyone is back so why risk that just to prove a political point?

the corpo

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1351629601462747137?s=20

The Wordress

the corpo wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1351629601462747137?s=20

Even that announcement doesn't sound concrete.

We would need something a bit more bullish from our unions ala ASTI. Secondary SEN hasn't been mentioned in a week or more.

penny piper

Time Foley resigned....

km79

http://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1351630585450663941


Finally someone has called out the Dept of Education on the lack of any type of national remote learning plan . They had 10 months . Nothing .

Normas attempts to buy the SNAs and special ed teachers failed . Seems like they are indeed more worried about safety than extra days off after all.......

Now over to the Dept to do what they should have done months and months ago
Put in place structures to ensure all children receive an adequate provision of remote learning .
I’ll wait ......

Stateofyou

Exactly. They have been doing SFA for many, many months. It's unacceptable. Now just think of all the stress and anxiety and wasted time this bs has unnecessarily caused.
Norma has failed in her duty, spectacularly.

jrosen

I doubt the mum has thought about the details. The child has one friend who also receives support and mum assumes said child will also be back?

I don’t know! But whoever she spoke with today didn’t mention tiers and said “as all work is being submitted and child seems to be doing well she won’t be coming back” it was only when mum said well actually she isn’t doing well.

I actually really feel for both sides here. My friend is drowning at home with her daughter who is a challenge even in the best of circumstances. But equally if she doesn’t fall into the group allowed back it puts the school in a difficult position in having to deal with parents who want their kids back.

km79

jrosen wrote: »

I doubt the mum has thought about the details. The child has one friend who also receives support and mum assumes said child will also be back?

I don’t know! But whoever she spoke with today didn’t mention tiers and said “as all work is being submitted and child seems to be doing well she won’t be coming back” it was only when mum said well actually she isn’t doing well.

I actually really feel for both sides here. My friend is drowning at home with her daughter who is a challenge even in the best of circumstances. But equally if she doesn’t fall into the group allowed back it puts the school in a difficult position in having to deal with parents who want their kids back.

Parents and schools are on the one side
It’s not schools against parents or special needs students
We are in all that classroom together
We are all going home to families in the evening

If there are two sides then it is
Norma Vs reality

Bill Ponderosa

Really feel for the families involved, Heartbreaking stuff, disgusting from the unions yet again.

lulublue22

jrosen wrote: »

I doubt the mum has thought about the details. The child has one friend who also receives support and mum assumes said child will also be back?

I don’t know! But whoever she spoke with today didn’t mention tiers and said “as all work is being submitted and child seems to be doing well she won’t be coming back” it was only when mum said well actually she isn’t doing well.

I actually really feel for both sides here. My friend is drowning at home with her daughter who is a challenge even in the best of circumstances. But equally if she doesn’t fall into the group allowed back it puts the school in a difficult position in having to deal with parents who want their kids back.

It’s typical of the decision making process of the DES - the whole plan is very badly thought out and creates more problems than it solves. Genuine collaboration / engagement with those on the ground would yield far better results.

irishlad.

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

Really feel for the families involved, Heartbreaking stuff, disgusting from the unions yet again.

There's only one thing disgusting here, and that is the way the DES and Norma Foley have left teachers out to dry. Trying their damnedest to use special classes as a pawn, and pitting these poor families against teachers.

rob316

So many people effected in this pandemic, teachers unwilling to do their part to help the most vulnerable of children. It's frankly disgusting but unsurprising.

km79

Here we go again
Sigh

Str8outtaWuhan

I'm assuming they have no union directive to tell members not to turn up for work? they would have to give notice of intent to strike or withdraw labour?

The Wordress

Bill Ponderosa wrote: »

Really feel for the families involved, Heartbreaking stuff, disgusting from the unions yet again.

Blame the government for not coming out 2 weeks ago and putting a blanket closure on all schools.

4 times in 2 weeks, we were all told different things. We are all upset and drained.

km79

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

I'm assuming they have no union directive to tell members not to turn up for work? they would have to give notice of intent to strike or withdraw labour?

I must have missed the bit where the Dept of Education revised their “guidance “ which was thrown together Friday evening into a workable structured plan to allow this schools to open and operate SAFELY or indeed at all as there were likely to be staff shortages .

The Wordress

rob316 wrote: »

So many people effected in this pandemic, teachers unwilling to do their part to help the most vulnerable of children. It's frankly disgusting but unsurprising.

Read what you posted again and see the contradictions.

None of us want to be statistics!

KrustyUCC

Disappointing but predictable

Some sort of structured remote learning lol

Unions having a laugh

Just not doable for many many kids with special needs

So much for protecting the most vulnerable in society this time around

E36Ross

Families and parents should be directing theyre anger at the government and Norma Foley for the massive lack of leadership and continous empty promises NOT the teachers and SNA.

All they want it a bit of guidance and a promise of a semi safe working environment. (Close contacts, Testing etc...)

Instead they receive a 'Schools are safe' and yer man on the webinair yesterday saying he was proud of them.

yerwanthere123

rob316 wrote: »

So many people effected in this pandemic, teachers unwilling to do their part to help the most vulnerable of children. It's frankly disgusting but unsurprising.

Back to posting nonsense I see :rolleyes:

wirelessdude01

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

I'm assuming they have no union directive to tell members not to turn up for work? they would have to give notice of intent to strike or withdraw labour?

INTO by-laws prohibit CEC from issuing a directive without a ballot.

Necro

rob316 wrote: »

So many people effected in this pandemic, teachers unwilling to do their part to help the most vulnerable of children. It's frankly disgusting but unsurprising.

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km79

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Disappointing but predictable

Some sort of structured remote learning lol

Unions having a laugh

Just not doable for many many kids with special needs

So much for protecting the most vulnerable in society this time around

You don’t think it was possible for the Dept of Education to put in place a national remote learning plan over TEN MONTHS?????
They did nothing . Feeble “guidance” pushing everything and anything back on individual schools . Individual schools with varying socioeconomic backgrounds etc . How exactly was that every going to work or he equitable ?

Is it not the government who should have ensured they had worked hard on a national plan to protect the most vulnerable in society this time around ?
My mistake. I assumed that was the governments remit.