Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

beggars_bush

I expect a U turn by 5pm on Monday

jimmytwotimes 2013

Birdy wrote: »

Some teachers wouldn't have returned in September if they had her way.

Your opinion or you do a survey?

Constant undertone of the lazy, selfish teacher in here, its funny

wirelessdude01

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

SEN advocacy groups want to protect their children.

Ironic thing is that all of those advocacy groups that are the loudest in shouting, in the media grabbing airtime, are the very ones who won't allow face to face for their employees are is it dangerous.

Talk about having your cake and eating it.

wirelessdude01

beggars_bush wrote: »

I expect a U turn by 5pm on Monday

I don't think so. Norma will wait to see who blinks first. Be late on Tuesday before it is confirmed either way.

beggars_bush

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I don't think so. Norma will wait to see who blinks first. Be late on Tuesday before it is confined either way.

INTO will get a barrage of emails over the weekend from members

The Wordress

beggars_bush wrote: »

You need staff for that. I doubt most would make themselves available

We never have any issue getting staff in to run our summer school.

antgal23

As a special needs teacher and parent of 4 kids, if the schools are safe then open them

beggars_bush

antgal23 wrote: »

As a special needs teacher and parent of 4 kids, if the schools are safe then open them

Where is the data showing they are safe?
Community transmission is very high

The Wordress

Sammy2012 wrote: »

My principal has been in touch and wants to make a plan for the return next week. I have no children in my class on SSPP so does that mean that I have no child in my room eligible? I have all 25 children in my class interacting with me on seesaw and 24 attending zoom calls. Just wondering what to say? I wouldnt be bit happy to have my own children returning to school next week but not sure if parents in my class feel the same.

State very strongly to your principal that ALL of your pupils are engaged with your online teaching.

daheff

beggars_bush wrote: »

Where is the data showing they are safe?
Community transmission is very high

Where is the data showing the schools aren't safe?

The Wordress

antgal23 wrote: »

As a special needs teacher and parent of 4 kids, if the schools are safe then open them

Ireland has the highest infection rate in the world at present. We essentially have no hospital capacity.

It is your prerogative if you think that is safe.

antgal23

beggars_bush wrote: »

Where is the data showing they are safe?
Community transmission is very high

The Govt have said they are several thousand times since last September.

I don't see why they would lie.

We would be back already had NF properly consulted unions

Country is lacking real leadership regarding reopening of schools

Funsterdelux

daheff wrote: »

Where is the data showing the schools aren't safe?

People are presenting with more cold and sinus type symptoms with the new variants

IrishTimes Irish GPs 3rd wave

Congestion. Sinus headache. The “Covid voice”. A general feeling of tiredness. Constant throat-clearing. Skin sensitivity. Fewer temperatures. Fewer coughs. And far higher rates of transmissibility.

antgal23

The Wordress wrote: »

Ireland has the highest infection rate in the world at present. We essentially have no hospital capacity.

It is your prerogative if you think that is safe.

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daheff

Seems to me that Normal can't win on this matter regardless of what she does.

Schools closed people (including teachers & Ana's) complain how it unfairly impacts those with special needs. She tries to open schools for those and she's slated again.

At least she's trying to find a solution.


Does it surprised me that the unions are against this plan....not in the least.

daheff

Funsterdelux wrote: »

People are presenting with more cold and sinus type symptoms with the new variants

IrishTimes Irish GPs 3rd wave

That's not evidence. That's conjecture at best.

mirrorwall14

daheff wrote: »

Seems to me that Normal can't win on this matter regardless of what she does.

Schools closed people (including teachers & Ana's) complain how it unfairly impacts those with special needs. She tries to open schools for those and she's slated again.

At least she's trying to find a solution.


Does it surprised me that the unions are against this plan....not in the least.

No. She is not trying to find a solution. Finding a solution would have meant not turning up an hour late for a meeting with unions and only staying five minutes. It would have meant acknowledging the difficulties in making schools safer with a new variant and hospitals run off their feet. It would have meant outright asking NPHET about their opinion on her kite flying about the LCs.

What she is doing is trying to win the media and the parents and she couldn’t give a flying fiddlers about the children at the centre of it.

Funsterdelux

daheff wrote: »

That's not evidence. That's conjecture at best.

I should of opened that its not evidence.

However, evidence/data takes weeks and months to gather. As we ve seen during this pandemic waiting for such data leads to delaying the inevitable. GPs are the ones gathering the evidence

km79

http://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1350383652614631424

First signs of progress

khalessi

daheff wrote: »

Where is the data showing the schools aren't safe?

Well there is the Montreal study,
https://globalnews.ca/news/7569457/montreal-study-schools-vector-coronavirus-transmission/
Montreal study claims schools major vector for COVID-19 transmission

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/348418238_Enfants_ecoles_et_COVID-19_le_cas_montrealais

certainly indicates something is up

SAGE reckon that children are several times more likely to introduce the virus into the household


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-01009-0
Here is a study carried out across >200 countries that showed that among all interventions studied, closing educational institutions was the 2nd most effective. Importantly, the impact on R was similar for pre-school, primary & secondary school settings.

the kelt

daheff wrote: »

Where is the data showing the schools aren't safe?

Where’s the data showing they are.

NPHET have always used the words “relatively safe” and have always referenced that when cases in the community are low schools are relatively safe. There’s actually zero evidence of how safe schools are in the midst of these new strains of virus from uk etc, zero because schools were closed.

If people think Norma is on some crusade to help kids they’re deluding themselves, she’s on a power trip to try and save political face and in reality she is taking a huge risk to some of the most vulnerable members of our school going children, never mind teachers.

Personally speaking I’m surprised people are even considering sending their kids back at all at the moment with zero evidence of how schools cope with this new strain and numbers are what they are, sure it is tough homeschooling, I can tell ye I took to the wine about 8 o clock last night after week 1 but at least they’re safe.

I mean any moron can see that that schools are only as safe as the communities they’re in, that’s what NPHET say.

To take that as meaning schools are some form of narnia where the virus doesn’t behave the same as in the community it’s situated in and are safe is moronic.

When the level of spread throughout the community is low schools should be first to open and last to close

jimmytwotimes 2013

daheff wrote: »

At least she's trying to find a solution.

Does it surprised me that the unions are against this plan....not in the least.

and again.....

daheff

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Evidence/data takes weeks and months to gather. As we ve seen during this pandemic waiting for such data leads to delaying the inevitable. GPs are the ones gathering the evidence

So you admit then you don't have any evidence that schools are not safe?

khalessi

daheff wrote: »

So you admit then you don't have any evidence that schools are not safe?

See my post

Funsterdelux

daheff wrote: »

So you admit then you don't have any evidence that schools are not safe?

I edited my post.

I regret nothing.

khalessi

And yet Down Syndrome Ireland who called for this told staff to work from home as it is safer

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/covid-in-ireland-reopen-special-schools-says-charity-while-moving-services-online-znt5j3ths?fbclid=IwAR3kS64TEEjbB4B7yzTaB8pGjtWZdYp1Ncv8nG8lsgs8dUIIX6aALHiQmpk

daheff

the kelt wrote: »

Where’s the data showing they are.

NPHET have always used the words “relatively safe” and have always referenced that when cases in the community are low schools are relatively safe.

WHO link on schools
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools


WHO, governments across the world (who have access to data, resources and scientist that none of us here have access) are saying schools are generally safe.

Are you all then disbelieving them?

If you are you should be posting in the conspiracy forums.

khalessi

daheff wrote: »

WHO link on schools
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools


WHO, governments across the world (who have access to data, resources and scientist that none of us here have access) are saying schools are generally safe.

Are you all then disbelieving them?

If you are you should be posting in the conspiracy forums.

Generally safe similar to the letter from the CMO?? Schools are safe but at the moment schools should be closed due to very high community levels. The bit about schools being closed at the moment was in bold print.

The same letter Norma is trying to use to reopen them

Crocodile Booze

daheff wrote: »

So you admit then you don't have any evidence that schools are not safe?

Lol.

Evidence : Covid. Pandemic. Schools closed.

You think the powers that be are all wrong and you're right?

Good one.

the kelt

daheff wrote: »

WHO link on schools
https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-schools


WHO, governments across the world (who have access to data, resources and scientist that none of us here have access) are saying schools are generally safe.

Are you all then disbelieving them?

If you are you should be posting in the conspiracy forums.

Have you read it!

Because you do know it concurs with my point numerous times?

“Whether a child should go to school depends on their health condition, the current transmission of COVID-19 within their community“

everal elements should be assessed in deciding to re-open schools or keep them open:

“The epidemiology of COVID-19 at the local level: This may vary from one place to another within a country“

I could keep going etc but you allude to it yourself because you say generally safe.

Did you really believe the who in the middle of a pandemic were claiming all schools were safe?