Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Locotastic

The Wordress wrote: »

You do realise that when schools were open, that relieved a lot of childcare issues for essential workers too. During the day at least.

Yes of course it did but I really don't understand how this question has even arisen or that it possibly might be used as a sticking point.

It demonstrates lack of thought or understanding into what has impacted hundred of thousands of households, this is not an issue that only effects teachers.

I'm just amazed that these questions of childcare and how will I homeschool while also working is only being asked now. People have been doing this throughout.

khalessi

Locotastic wrote: »

Yes of course it did but I really don't understand how this question has even arisen or that it possibly might be used as a sticking point.

It demonstrates lack of thought or understanding into what has impacted hundred of thousands of households, this is not an issue that only effects teachers.

I'm just amazed that these questions of childcare and how will I homeschool while also working is only being asked now. People have been doing this throughout.

These questions have been asked since March not just now

downthemiddle

John Boyle is getting a kicking tonight on social media. It looks like the INTO will lose members over this "plan".
The mixing of the sacred pods and bubbles until schools fully reopen goes against all previous advice given.
Then you have the issue of shared SET, who in rural areas can be shared between 2/3/4 schools. Who do they prioritise?
How do you explain to some children whose day is built around routine that their routine no longer exists?
What happens if a mainstream teacher is absent and no sub is available? SET are meant to substitute in such situations. How is it decided which children to prioritise?
How do parents explain to their children why one sibling is going to school while another isn't? Who supervises the child at home for their online learning while a parent brings their sibling to and from school?
How long before a parent claims that their child in mainstream is being discriminated against?

Cerveza

khalessi wrote: »

These questions have been asked since March not just now

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

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jimmytwotimes 2013

Locotastic wrote: »

A legitimate question of course but how it's only dawning on some 10 months in is unbelievable.

We've 'just had to manage' ourselves and believe me it's like being in a hamster wheel 24/7.

How do you know its only dawning on people now?

Childcare, and a government promise to provide in this area, have been a topic of discussion since last March.

You're assuming anyone asking the question now hasn't asked the question before.

This maybe borne out of a need, on your part, to paint a particular group of professionals as selfish.

This would also be a wild assumption but and, to be fair, I doubt youre as mean-spirited as your boards persona suggests.

The Wordress

Locotastic wrote: »

Yes of course it did but I really don't understand how this question has even arisen or that it possibly might be used as a sticking point.

It demonstrates lack of thought or understanding into what has impacted hundred of thousands of households, this is not an issue that only effects teachers.

I'm just amazed that these questions of childcare and how will I homeschool while also working is only being asked now. People have been doing this throughout.

Maybe because teachers had their shoulders to the wheel working from September to Christmas.

From my own point of view, my preschool child's ECCE year is not being run at present. My school going child is obviously off school.

My local creche is only working on a limited capacity with skeleton staff. Their places are full.

I do not feel comfortable forming a bubble with friends as they have own responsibilities and worries. Work, homeschooling, caring for elderly parents etc.

I have no family close by.

What choice does that leave me?

I am human too you know!

Locotastic

khalessi wrote: »

These questions have been asked since March not just now

Yes, but the realisation is only dawning on some posters here. Asking what will happen with childcare or how will they work in their school job and also homeschool.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Locotastic wrote: »

Yes, but the realisation is only dawning on some posters here.

And you know this how?

Locotastic

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

And you know this how?

Because there are posters asking who will mind their children if they have to go to work, as if this is something new.

Deeec

The Wordress wrote: »

Maybe because teachers had their shoulders to the wheel working from September to Christmas.

From my own point of view, my preschool child's ECCE year is not being run at present. My school going child is obviously off school.

My local creche is only working on a limited capacity with skeleton staff. Their places are full.

I do not feel comfortable forming a bubble with friends as they have own responsibilities and worries. Work, homeschooling, caring for elderly parents etc.

I have no family close by.

What choice does that leave me?

I am human too you know!

Look I genuinely feel you won't have the worry of childcare because the plan will be rejected for lots of reasons.

BUT

You do realise that nurses, doctors, paramedics, supermarket workers pharmacists ( and numerous other workers) have children also. They have had to deal with childcare issues and adapt them very quickly in order to carry out their jobs.have you thought about this?

Birdy

I don't know any SNA's whereby childcare would be a problem. It's laughable if that is the best Fórsa can come up with.

The reality is they cannot do their job remotely and they get plenty of holidays as it is. Go back or take sick leave. Simple as.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Locotastic wrote: »

Because there are posters asking who will mind their children if they have to go to work, as if this is something new.

You're not following at all but it's ok, we're trained to be patient.

You're saying that if a poster hasn't typed out concerns regarding childcare for essential workers on here, that it has never occurred to them before as being an issue that needs addressing?

Some leap in 'logic' there my friend

irishproduce

downthemiddle wrote: »

John Boyle is getting a kicking tonight on social media. It looks like the INTO will lose members over this "plan".
The mixing of the sacred pods and bubbles until schools fully reopen goes against all previous advice given.
Then you have the issue of shared SET, who in rural areas can be shared between 2/3/4 schools. Who do they prioritise?
How do you explain to some children whose day is built around routine that their routine no longer exists?
What happens if a mainstream teacher is absent and no sub is available? SET are meant to substitute in such situations. How is it decided which children to prioritise?
How do parents explain to their children why one sibling is going to school while another isn't? Who supervises the child at home for their online learning while a parent brings their sibling to and from school?
How long before a parent claims that their child in mainstream is being discriminated against?

As I said in a previous post, it's easy find reasons to identify a problem.
Have you any suggestions to make it work?

Birdy

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

You're not following at all but it's ok, we're trained to be patient.

You're saying that if a poster hasn't typed out concerns regarding childcare for essential workers on here, that it has never occurred to them before as being an issue that needs addressing?

Some leap in 'logic' there my friend

Well you're clearly trained in being patronising.

The childcare excuse doesn't wash.

downthemiddle

Birdy wrote: »

I don't know any SNA's whereby childcare would be a problem. It's laughable if that is the best Fórsa can come up with.

The reality is they cannot do their job remotely and they get plenty of holidays as it is. Go back or take sick leave. Simple as.

If any of your family ever need the assistance of an SNA I hope you treat them with a little more respect than you do online.

Deeec

downthemiddle wrote: »

John Boyle is getting a kicking tonight on social media. It looks like the INTO will lose members over this "plan".
The mixing of the sacred pods and bubbles until schools fully reopen goes against all previous advice given.
Then you have the issue of shared SET, who in rural areas can be shared between 2/3/4 schools. Who do they prioritise?
How do you explain to some children whose day is built around routine that their routine no longer exists?
What happens if a mainstream teacher is absent and no sub is available? SET are meant to substitute in such situations. How is it decided which children to prioritise?
How do parents explain to their children why one sibling is going to school while another isn't? Who supervises the child at home for their online learning while a parent brings their sibling to and from school?
How long before a parent claims that their child in mainstream is being discriminated against?

There is a few reasons stated here which are reasons to reject the plan. There are also a few given that are scraping the barrell.

downthemiddle

irishproduce wrote: »

As I said in a previous post, it's easy find reasons to identify a problem.
Have you any suggestions to make it work?

There are no solutions to some of the problems. That is the unfortunate reality. It is a case of fingers crossed, toes crossed, fingers in the ears, eyes closed tightly and hope for the best.

Murple

On Thursday last week, we were told all schools would stay shut until at least the 1st of February.
On Thursday this week, all of a sudden, all SET and SNA were told they were back to work in school buildings as of next Thursday with the opening of all special schools, special classes and admittance of children with unspecified additional needs attending mainstream classes.
What changed?

khalessi

Murple wrote: »

On Thursday last week, we were told all schools would stay shut until at least the 1st of February.
On Thursday this week, all of a sudden, all SET and SNA were told they were back to work in school buildings as of next Thursday with the opening of all special schools, special classes and admittance of children with unspecified additional needs attending mainstream classes.
What changed?

Norma got egg on her face and is trying to prove a point while numbers in community are high

Birdy

downthemiddle wrote: »

If any of your family ever need the assistance of an SNA I hope you treat them with a little more respect than you do online.

The childcare excuse is laughable.

Majority of them would acknowledge that they cannot do their job remotely.

If that is the best argument you can come up with, I must have hit a nerve.

jimmytwotimes 2013

Birdy wrote: »

Well you're clearly trained in being patronising.

The childcare excuse doesn't wash.

If you say so buddy

Locotastic

Murple wrote: »

On Thursday last week, we were told all schools would stay shut until at least the 1st of February.
On Thursday this week, all of a sudden, all SET and SNA were told they were back to work in school buildings as of next Thursday with the opening of all special schools, special classes and admittance of children with unspecified additional needs attending mainstream classes.
What changed?

Something definitely going on in the background that we aren't being told.

What that is I don't know but get a sense that the unions are not being very vocal, quite the opposite.

Cerveza

khalessi wrote: »

Norma got egg on her face and is trying to prove a point while numbers in community are high

That explains the perfect hair.

downthemiddle

Birdy wrote: »

The childcare excuse is laughable.

Majority of them would acknowledge that they cannot do their job remotely.

If that is the best argument you can come up with, I must have hit a nerve.

You are the person denigrating others. Mind you don't fall off that high horse.

khalessi

Cerveza wrote: »

That explains the perfect hair.

yup egg whites good for the hair

hesaidshesaid

Cerveza wrote: »

That explains the perfect hair.

It's probably unnecessary to comment on her appearance when there is so, so much else to comment on.

Birdy

Murple wrote: »

On Thursday last week, we were told all schools would stay shut until at least the 1st of February.
On Thursday this week, all of a sudden, all SET and SNA were told they were back to work in school buildings as of next Thursday with the opening of all special schools, special classes and admittance of children with unspecified additional needs attending mainstream classes.
What changed?

Norma has been liaising with the relevant organisations. She recognises the effect that the first lockdown had on these children with additional needs. I say fair play to her.

Some teachers wouldn't have returned in September if they had her way.

Some parents are at the end of their tether.

The Wordress

Birdy wrote: »

Norma has been liaising with the relevant organisations. She recognises the effect that the first lockdown had on these children with additional needs. I say fair play to her.

Some teachers wouldn't have returned in September if they had her way.

Some parents are at the end of their tether.

We are either all in the middle of a Global Pandemic or we are not!?

Cerveza

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

It's probably unnecessary to comment on her appearance when there is so, so much else to comment on.

About the egg on her face is it?

Bananaleaf

amacca wrote: »

I'm talking about post primary now....they seem to there, in my OHs place mos SET teachers certainly don't teach a full timetable of exclusively SEN ....they teach mainstream classes to......they are qualified but only one teacher is fulltime SEN classes/students exclusively....know that for a fact ???

Birdy wrote: »

This plan has nothing to do with post primary.

The reality is that there are SEN and DEIS kids who really need this support. Norma could easily keep them all closed. At least she's trying to provide solutions and recognises that remote learning doesn't work for these children. INTO has backed it. I don't see how it won't go ahead.

@amacca - you are 100% right in what you say

@Birdy - with respect, it is incorrect to say that this plan has nothing to do with post-primary. They closed the primary schools and then came the closing of the secondary schools. They agreed to reopen the primary schools to SEN students and are now in talks about what to do at second level. This plan has potentially got very much got to do with post-primary.