Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Murple

Locotastic wrote: »

Has the government added teachers to the essential workers list?

It was stated somewhere in the original statement about schools closing that staff still could access school buildings or work from them. In the first lockdown, school buildings were out of bounds until late May I think which made things very difficult as many teachers had no resources at home and children hadn’t most of their books.

SusanC10

Was offline for most of today due to technical issues $#&
Can someone please summarise what was said about schools if anything new ?
Our kids are 5th Class and non-exam Secondary.

Thanks..

BoatMad

SusanC10 wrote: »

Was offline for most of today due to technical issues $#&
Can someone please summarise what was said about schools if anything new ?
Our kids are 5th Class and non-exam Secondary.

Thanks..

Can’t see schools reopening this side of a comprehensive vaccine administration.

km79

SusanC10 wrote: »

Was offline for most of today due to technical issues $#&
Can someone please summarise what was said about schools if anything new ?
Our kids are 5th Class and non-exam Secondary.

Thanks..

Nothing new really
Phased reopening Feb/March starting with special schools/classes And then L Certs maybe primary
Now Feb is a short month with a mid term in the middle so i would wager it will be March before we see more than special classes or L Certs back in secondary schools

Sorry just seen the bit about your kids .
Mid March I would say and even then it may be rotational

BoatMad

km79 wrote: »

Nothing new really
Phased reopening Feb/March starting with special schools/classes And then L Certs maybe primary
Now Feb is a short month with a mid term in the middle so i would wager it will be March before we see more than special classes or L Certs back in secondary schools

That’s what they “say” will happen. “ they “ also said schools were safe and wouldn’t close

The U.K. variant will make it impossible to reopen schools until parents and teachers are vaccinated

wirelessdude01

SusanC10 wrote: »

Was offline for most of today due to technical issues $#&
Can someone please summarise what was said about schools if anything new ?
Our kids are 5th Class and non-exam Secondary.

Thanks..

Absolutely nothing.

rainbowtrout

Locotastic wrote: »

Has the government added teachers to the essential workers list?

Teachers were allowed to access buildings in the previous lockdowns to teach if they didn't have access. It doesn't affect me, I have good internet in my home, and I live about a mile from where I work anyway, but I presume some teachers in my ETB have been turned back. I know one or two teachers have gone into work to teach because the internet where they live is crap.

Also I paraphrased the email because it was a lot longer than one line.

C__MC

Travel to school every day as wifi is poor

Asked at least three times a week ,are schools not closed?

To which they get the same reply it's open for teachers who are deemed essential

Gardai really need to educate themselves better

C__MC

BoatMad wrote: »

That’s what they “say” will happen. “ they “ also said schools were safe and wouldn’t close

The U.K. variant will make it impossible to reopen schools until parents and teachers are vaccinated

Schools will do well to open in full capacity until September

Norma hasn't been saw since last week when she was torn apart in the Dail

combat14

less than a thousand cases today will students be back in school in a week or two does anyone know

jimmytwotimes 2013

combat14 wrote: »

less than a thousand cases today will students be back in school in a week or two does anyone know

Unlikely

km79

combat14 wrote: »

less than a thousand cases today will students be back in school in a week or two does anyone know

90 people died
200 in icu
Many more in hospital
No

wirelessdude01

combat14 wrote: »

less than a thousand cases today will students be back in school in a week or two does anyone know

Nope.

BoatMad

combat14 wrote: »

less than a thousand cases today will students be back in school in a week or two does anyone know

No the transmissibility of the variant will prevent that.

This is not March 2020

U.K. data shows 12-24 year olds are by far the biggest source of the virus. They don’t get sick but they transmit it.

billy_beckham

combat14 wrote: »

less than a thousand cases today will students be back in school in a week or two does anyone know

Your were shot down 4 times in as many minutes :-)
Hopefully these opinions won't prevail as the education partners negotiate a return to the class rooms.. Like you I am hoping for phased return in next couple of weeks..

BoatMad

billy_beckham wrote: »

Your were shot down 4 times in as many minutes :-)
Hopefully these opinions won't prevail as the education partners negotiate a return to the class rooms.. Like you I am hoping for phased return in next couple of weeks..

You obviously haven’t seen the science behind the transmissibility of the new variant

Not a hope of normal school this side of Christmas.

Schools are congregated settings , you simply can’t have congregated settings with the new variant. Kids will transmit it back into communities.

jimmytwotimes 2013

billy_beckham wrote: »

Your were shot down 4 times in as many minutes :-)
Hopefully these opinions won't prevail as the education partners negotiate a return to the class rooms.. Like you I am hoping for phased return in next couple of weeks..

Mícheál Martin said there won't be a full return until Mar 17.

We're just passing on the info.

BoatMad

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Mícheál Martin said there won't be a full return until Mar 17.

We're just passing on the info.

He said before Christmas there would be a normal school year in 2021 how’s that working out for u Micheal

billy_beckham

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Mícheál Martin said there won't be a full return until Mar 17.

We're just passing on the info.

Phased return in the next couple of weeks I said.... Obviously if this starts early to mid Feb it could/would take 5 or 6 weeks!

Thanks for pointing out the obvious..

jimmytwotimes 2013

billy_beckham wrote: »

Phased return in the next couple of weeks I said.... Obviously if this starts early to mid Feb it could/would take 5 or 6 weeks!

Thanks for pointing out the obvious..

Thanks for being a ponce

Bananaleaf

BoatMad wrote: »

You obviously haven’t seen the science behind the transmissibility of the new variant

Not a hope of normal school this side of Christmas.

Schools are congregated settings , you simply can’t have congregated settings with the new variant. Kids will transmit it back into communities.

I agree that the schools can't fully reopen in the next two weeks (in fact, I would question whether anyone who asks that question has been paying attention to the last year at all) but this side of Christmas? No, I can't get on board with that.

am_zarathustra

billy_beckham wrote: »

Phased return in the next couple of weeks I said.... Obviously if this starts early to mid Feb it could/would take 5 or 6 weeks!

Thanks for pointing out the obvious..

Phased return is sensible. Congregating before and after school is an issue so it would also be possible to say have half in half out blended learning or one year group in the morning and one in the afternoon. There are so many options, but for kids some contact time with school is important. Once contact tracing is up and running and the numbers are in the hundreds and stable I'd certainly be happy to be back in the classroom.

My personal preference is week on week off, half the class in every second week. Normal timetable with those at home working on assingments from the previous week. If I had half a class is be able to teach more efficiently so the loss of learning would be minimised.

LC in all the time of course

KerryConnor

After a rotten day of home teaching the case numbers under 1000 gave me a bit of hope we'd be back quicker.

Bananaleaf

KerryConnor wrote: »

After a rotten day of home teaching the case numbers under 1000 gave me a bit of hope we'd be back quicker.

ICU needs to be more under control. I looked up the stats there tonight and in the last 24hrs there have been 15 people discharged from ICU but 15 admitted. Case numbers are going down but they may as well not be with steady ICU numbers like that.

Locotastic

Bananaleaf wrote: »

ICU needs to be more under control. I looked up the stats there tonight and in the last 24hrs there have been 15 people discharged from ICU but 15 admitted. Case numbers are going down but they may as well not be with steady ICU numbers like that.

That's actually an improvement, even up to last week ICU admissions were more than double the ICU discharges. Hopefully in a weeks time they'll be half again.

End of January will look a lot different to how the year began. 4 - 6 weeks post peak we'll be in a much better space.

Positivity rate (even if inflated by only testing symptomatic people) has come down from approx 25% to 8%. The numbers are very promising in such a short space of time.

Yes this is achieved with heavy restrictions but a more or less non existent vaccine roll out. We have good reason to be positive about things, even better once they get the finger out on vaccinations.

Bananaleaf

Locotastic wrote: »

That's actually an improvement, even up to last week ICU admissions were more than double the ICU discharges. Hopefully in a weeks time they'll be half again.

End of January will look a lot different to how the year began. 4 - 6 weeks post peak we'll be in a much better space.

Okay well then in that case, brilliant. I haven't been tracking the ICU numbers so I didn't know that.

am_zarathustra

There actually does seems to be a little chink of light today. I'd take being back with the LCs after midterm and phased return for the rest.

I'm not a parent but I wonder how they would feel about week on week off versus half days for students to keep number is classes low but to give some contact time and a bit of a break from home, would they have a preference?

Mrsmum

am_zarathustra wrote: »

There actually does seems to be a little chink of light today. I'd take being back with the LCs after midterm and phased return for the rest.

I'm not a parent but I wonder how they would feel about week on week of versus half days for students to keep number is classes low but to give some contact time and a bit of a break from home, would they have a preference?

Sounds like a plan.

Locotastic

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Okay well then in that case, brilliant. I haven't been tracking the ICU numbers so I didn't know that.

Even with hospitalisations, a third of those actually caught covid in hospital. They went in (for a different reason) covid negative and were infected during their hospital stay.

They count as covid hospitalisations though. It must be rampant in hospitals.

Beasty

Smacruairi wrote: »

I hope our Dutch expert on the Irish response to covid is sent to negotiate with them. Very capable of interpreting documents for the benefit of all. And might have some very helpful suggestions.

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