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Player movement

  • 03-01-2021 10:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭ Stan27


    Looks like there could potentially be a decent player movement due to financial pressure/ overflow of players in certain positions/ position deficits.

    What do people think will happen?

    One Leinster no8 to go north would make sence.
    Munster could so with an openside too i think.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,731 ✭✭✭ Tim Robbins


    Stan27 wrote: »
    Looks like there could potentially be a decent player movement due to financial pressure/ overflow of players in certain positions/ position deficits.

    What do people think will happen?

    One Leinster no8 to go north would make sence.
    Munster could so with an openside too i think.

    I am in favour of this happening. A player like Max Deegan was looking world class and could actually be 4th choice at Leinster for Number 8. I wonder if a player moved for one year or two year with option of a move back would it work better for people?

    Certainly think Joey (if fit) should be a Leinster player again and have no issue if Munster took a few other backs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    In most circumstances, Province A aren't going to take Province B's player for a year or two if he's definitely going back to Province B.


  • Subscribers Posts: 36,228 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    There should be a quota where leinster get to sign one world class NIQ for every, say, seven players they provide to the other provinces......


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Stan27 wrote: »
    Looks like there could potentially be a decent player movement due to financial pressure/ overflow of players in certain positions/ position deficits.

    What do people think will happen?

    One Leinster no8 to go north would make sense.
    Munster could so with an openside too i think.
    Does it need new thread. kind of discussed in few places already. What backrow would you suggest go north? Munster would be better using their academy options in backrow. a signing from leinster isnt really needed.
    I am in favour of this happening. A player like Max Deegan was looking world class and could actually be 4th choice at Leinster for Number 8. I wonder if a player moved for one year or two year with option of a move back would it work better for people?

    Certainly think Joey (if fit) should be a Leinster player again and have no issue if Munster took a few other backs.
    What exactly is world class. How much would other provinces want players if theyre only going to be there for 1/2 years before moving back?
    Any other side who takes a player wants them to be with them long term and use them to build to future
    Why should Carbery if fit be a Leinster player again when there is Byrne x2, Frawley at outhalf, Keenan and others to play full back. What does that achieve exactly??
    What backs would be better off in Munster and what positions are Munster really needing a signing from Leinster
    sydthebeat wrote: »
    There should be a quota where leinster get to sign one world class NIQ for every, say, seven players they provide to the other provinces......
    Only the 1? should be at least 3.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,220 ✭✭✭✭ Clegg


    Neither Deegan nor Carbery should be moving any time soon. The former is rehabbing a knee ligament injury and who knows what's going on with the latter.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Zzippy


    In most circumstances, Province A aren't going to take Province B's player for a year or two if he's definitely going back to Province B.

    Quinn Roux and John Cooney both went to Connacht on loan. They both chose to stay when offered a deal, but the original deals were definitely temporary loan moves.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Quinn Roux and John Cooney both went to Connacht on loan. They both chose to stay when offered a deal, but the original deals were definitely temporary loan moves.

    Their passports were seized Zzippy and they were forced to remain in Galway. I know it and you know it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,731 ✭✭✭ Tim Robbins


    In most circumstances, Province A aren't going to take Province B's player for a year or two if he's definitely going back to Province B.

    Cian Kelleher and Fionn Carr both left Leinster and came back Just saying I don't think it should be such a big deal It should be seen like the way Tommy Bowe left and came back and so did Sexton.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Cian Kelleher and Fionn Carr both left Leinster and came back Just saying I don't think it should be such a big deal It should be seen like the way Tommy Bowe left and came back and so did Sexton.

    I was responding to your specific suggestion of an option to go back to their original province.

    Teams aren't going to invest gametime/opportunities into a young player who they believe will almost certainly up and leave after a year.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Zzippy


    I was responding to your specific suggestion of an option to go back to their original province.

    Teams aren't going to invest gametime/opportunities into a young player who they believe will almost certainly up and leave after a year.

    If he improves the team they will. If he doesn't they won't.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭ TRC10


    I can definitely see one of leinster opensides going south, most likely Connors or Penny.

    I would have said one of the 10s should leave a few months ago but it looks like Frawley is being developed as a 12 (quite successfully) and Sextons body is on the way out. So that just leaves the 2 Byrnes and Hawkshaw which is fine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,942 ✭✭✭✭ razorblunt


    I think it's fair to say something needs to be done about the Leinster backrow and I don't mean in a "evening things up sense" there's just way too many quality players across the 3 positions.
    It's a tough one for Leinster and the players themselves though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 804 ✭✭✭ hahashake


    Would be hard to convince a player to move if he wouldn't be first choice at his new province or guaranteed Ireland selection.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,273 ✭✭✭ Dubinusa


    I think a lot of lads will move this year. Some of them to England and France. If they can earn more and get at least a couple of years.
    I can see Healy looking for a last pay day. Maybe Cronin too.
    The move interprovincially for less money may not be enough.
    At this stage the IRFU probably will focus on getting as many academy lads promoted as possible. If there's no cash flow. How do they keep the players happy?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Dubinusa wrote: »
    I think a lot of lads will move this year. Some of them to England and France. If they can earn more and get at least a couple of years.
    I can see Healy looking for a last pay day. Maybe Cronin too.
    The move interprovincially for less money may not be enough.
    At this stage the IRFU probably will focus on getting as many academy lads promoted as possible. If there's no cash flow. How do they keep the players happy?
    There isnt going to be any big pay days with covid continuing to affect people going to games.
    You talk about cash flow. Well thats going to majorly affect a lot of players chances of going abroad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭ Stan27


    Does it need new thread. kind of discussed in few places already. What backrow would you suggest go north? Munster would be better using their academy options in backrow. a signing from leinster isnt really needed.

    What exactly is world class. How much would other provinces want players if theyre only going to be there for 1/2 years before moving back?
    Any other side who takes a player wants them to be with them long term and use them to build to future
    Why should Carbery if fit be a Leinster player again when there is Byrne x2, Frawley at outhalf, Keenan and others to play full back. What does that achieve exactly??
    What backs would be better off in Munster and what positions are Munster really needing a signing from Leinster

    Only the 1? should be at least 3.....

    Conan or deegan to ulster would suit imo.
    Only young 7 in munster is hodnett, they need another one, and leinster have laods fo sevens
    1, leavy
    2 van der flier
    3 conners
    4 penny
    5 maloney (acadamy)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Stan27 wrote: »
    Conan or deegan to ulster would suit imo.
    Only young 7 in munster is hodnett, they need another one, and leinster have laods fo sevens
    1, leavy
    2 van der flier
    3 conners
    4 penny
    5 maloney (acadamy)
    They dont seem to want it.
    Munster have Hodnett, but plenty others who can play 7 and wouldnt worry about that too much


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,731 ✭✭✭ Tim Robbins


    I was responding to your specific suggestion of an option to go back to their original province.

    Teams aren't going to invest gametime/opportunities into a young player who they believe will almost certainly up and leave after a year.

    Teams get players funded from the IRFU, they are greatly helped from the IRFU who entice players to stay in Ireland - so all of them need to also think in terms of what is best for Ireland and not just them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,731 ✭✭✭ Tim Robbins


    TRC10 wrote: »
    I can definitely see one of leinster opensides going south, most likely Connors or Penny.

    I would have said one of the 10s should leave a few months ago but it looks like Frawley is being developed as a 12 (quite successfully) and Sextons body is on the way out. So that just leaves the 2 Byrnes and Hawkshaw which is fine.

    with the injury rate of the back row, you will get game time if you are in the top 3 of 6, 7 or 8. But in some cases, Leinster have 4 or 5 who are decent standard so you are right, for their sake and Ireland sake some should go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    with the injury rate of the back row, you will get game time if you are in the top 3 of 6, 7 or 8. But in some cases, Leinster have 4 or 5 who are decent standard so you are right, for their sake and Ireland sake some should go.
    Maybe but when there is one or two involved with the irish squad there is plenty of game time for those who are 4th/5th in line in the run of the mill pro14 games and then there is always one or two players injured as well.

    And you didnt answer What exactly is world class and how much would other provinces want players if theyre only going to be there for 1/2 years before moving back or why would Carbery be a Leinster player again when there is Byrne x2, Frawley at outhalf, Keenan and others to play full back. What does that achieve exactly??


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Teams get players funded from the IRFU, they are greatly helped from the IRFU who entice players to stay in Ireland - so all of them need to also think in terms of what is best for Ireland and not just them.

    Eh, players should do what's best for themselves. They're no different to anyone who's an employee.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,731 ✭✭✭ Tim Robbins


    Eh, players should do what's best for themselves. They're no different to anyone who's an employee.

    Yeah and so to further their career they should be given possibilities to move to somewhere where they will get a better chance.

    What I mean by "all of them" was the provinces.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭ launish116


    Who do we foresee looking for game time elsewhere?


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