Archbishop calls on RTÉ to remove 'blasphemous' clip

Watched the clip again and the first half is kinda funny but it does take a bit of a downward trajectory towards the latter half & especially the end. It’s like so close to being something worth a wee chuckle and forgetting about but they had to add that bit about migrant kids.. sigh

biko

Which is more offensive?

Mary's metoo moment?


Mohammed taking a child as a bride?

Choochtown

It's a joke and some people got offended. So what?

The telling thing is that the reason most of the offended are giving out (judging by Twitter and Boards) is not that they were upset at their sky fairy being mocked it's that other people's sky fairy wasn't being mocked.

Very few posters actually explain why they are hurt or offended. eg. "I really believe that the virgin Mary was impregnated by my god and it is so precious to me that I can't bear anyone to make light of it"
Instead we get "Disgraceful. Why can't they slag off the Muslims instead?"

Duke O Smiley

MintyMagnum wrote: »

I actually don't think rape jokes are funny

Yeah, is this not the bit we should actually be annoyed about? I’m surprised that the Church/Christians are the ones who are the most offended here.

It wasnt me123

Fast Twitch wrote: »

Democratic Country.

Do you know what that means?? Respecting the rights of minorities. Calling somebody's God a pedophile isn't democratic. You're a buffer. Making waffly speeches and don't know what the words you use mean.

No it means respecting the rights of everyone

MrMusician18

Choochtown wrote: »

It's a joke and some people got offended. So what?

The telling thing is that the reason most of the offended are giving out (judging by Twitter and Boards) is not that they were upset at their sky fairy being mocked it's that other people's sky fairy wasn't being mocked.

Very few posters actually explain why they are hurt or offended. eg. "I really believe that the virgin Mary was impregnated by my god and it is so precious to me that I can't bear anyone to make light of it"
Instead we get "Disgraceful. Why can't they slag off the Muslims instead?"

Perhaps it's because they are tired of their faith being picked on because that are seen as an easy target. They look around them and see the easy ride everyone else is getting. They believe the other faith groups are getting an easy ride because they would have a much stronger reaction than a bishops tweet.

It's also about pointing out hypocrisy, most of these "comedians" would claim that they take no prisoners, everyone is fair game - but that's obviously not true.

Feisar

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He can squeal all he likes.

Once upon a time him demanding RTÉ remove it would result in it being removed.

Thankfully we've moved on from those dark times.

But now we put warnings before Blazing Saddles, dark times ahead.

conorhal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He can squeal all he likes.

Once upon a time him demanding RTÉ remove it would result in it being removed.

Thankfully we've moved on from those dark times.

And instead these days they pander to the newly emerging cult of Woke.
Let's face it, this would look less hypocritical if the fedora tipping atheist crowd weren't some of the most hilariously thin skinned cretans on the internet that spend all day trying to ban stuff.

Smee_Again

Fast Twitch wrote: »

It was a NYE programme and came onscreen quickly. How do you just not watch it??

It’s a great point. There’s always a risk of being offended when watching TV, if one isn’t ready or prepared to be offended one shouldn’t watch TV.

For the state broadcaster to show this crap, where people , a majority of whom were Catholic families, confined to their homes conforming to state public health guidelines , shows incredibly poor judgment.and contempt.

Not only was it not in the least blt humourous, edgy or witty, very poor satire. Theres a time and place for such material.

I'm not Catholic, I'm not offended, but the Bishop was correct to speak on behalf of his congregarion.

And yea, they wouldn't have ripped the piss out of Islam, Anglicianism Hinduism etc., as it seems the liberals elites have their sacred cows, with it being open season on Catholicism.

It wasnt me123

ffarrell7 wrote: »

RTE is a depraved and anti-church channel and has been for decades now.

Ireland itself has become a hedonistic and immoral society where the abnormal has become the normal...i.e. Straight people being forced to embrace and endorse Gay values when fundamentally we may not agree with them.

....

What a load of tosh - who are you to say something is abnormal?
You are just making homophobic comments - you catholic curtain twitchers need to mind your own business - what consenting adults do is their business not yours.

You obviously don’t have a problem with the gay priests and paedophiles? You are worried about Pride march but religious sexually interfering with children is ok?

This thread is about a clip on tv - it wasn’t overtly funny but why do we have to give space to these old men who hid years of physical and sexual abuse of minors to moan about something on tv that they don’t agree with?

Just turn over

riffmongous

biko wrote: »

Which is more offensive?

Mary's metoo moment?


Mohammed taking a child as a bride?

Well Mary was probably around 12-14 years old

alchemist33

Choochtown wrote: »

It's a joke and some people got offended. So what?

The telling thing is that the reason most of the offended are giving out (judging by Twitter and Boards) is not that they were upset at their sky fairy being mocked it's that other people's sky fairy wasn't being mocked.

Very few posters actually explain why they are hurt or offended. eg. "I really believe that the virgin Mary was impregnated by my god and it is so precious to me that I can't bear anyone to make light of it"
Instead we get "Disgraceful. Why can't they slag off the Muslims instead?"

I don't think RTE should be going out of their way to mock anyone's sky fairy, knowing they're going to p*ss off a lot of people. It's not like this was a serious examination of faith or science v religion, or the perils of fundamentalism, which would have been fine. It's just being deliberately provocative with nothing to gain.

PearseCork92

The sketch was sh*te. One can get away with blasphemous or offensive content if it's funny, didn't hit that bar.

Even the most pious Irish Catholic finds Fr Ted funny because it was skilfully written and delivered.

Choochtown

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Perhaps it's because they are tired of their faith being picked on because that are seen as an easy target. They look around them and see the easy ride everyone else is getting. They believe the other faith groups are getting an easy ride because they would have a much stronger reaction than a bishops tweet.

It's also about pointing out hypocrisy, most of these "comedians" would claim that they take no prisoners, everyone is fair game - but that's obviously not true.

But what sort of faith is it when a joke about it causes so much upset that an Archbishop feels the need to comment? I would suggest not a very strong one.

If someone wants to believe in a virgin birth then ok. However when that person thinks that their (frankly ridiculous) belief is exempt from someone else making a joke about it then I do have a problem with that.

To put it into context: I have a very strong belief that there is no life on the moon. If RTE made a joke about creatures on the moon, would I be offended?

ffarrell7

Abuse is bad enough, horrendous even, but to willingly and willfully engage in ABNORMAL sexual worse is just as bad or worse in my opinion....

just as well the Gay community is in the minority (around 10 to 15% of the population) around or otherwise the human race would die out!!

GarIT

Smee_Again wrote: »

It’s a great point. There’s always a risk of being offended when watching TV, if one isn’t ready or prepared to be offended one shouldn’t watch TV.

Sounds like a gap in the market with the need for some sort of state broadcaster where people could expect not to be offended.

walshb

ffarrell7 wrote: »

Abuse is bad enough, horrendous even, but to willingly and willfully engage in ABNORMAL sexual worse is just as bad or worse in my opinion....

just as well the Gay community is in the minority (around 10 to 15% of the population) around or otherwise the human race would die out!!

You really need to tone it down!

Choochtown

alchemist33 wrote: »

I don't think RTE should be going out of their way to mock anyone's sky fairy, knowing they're going to p*ss off a lot of people. It's not like this was a serious examination of faith or science v religion, or the perils of fundamentalism, which would have been fine. It's just being deliberately provocative with nothing to gain.

It was a joke. Nothing more than that.

Generally a joke will by it's nature take the piss out of somebody or something. "Callan's Kicks" on RTE the evening before took the piss out of lots of people (actual real people with families etc) mocking their mannerisms etc.

Ian Dempsey's Gift Grub every morning takes the piss out of real people (Roy Keane, Pascal Donohoe etc) mocking their speech impediments etc. Nobody is suggesting censoring those shows. Why not?

Just to be clear. I'm not calling for any of these jokes to be banned. They are only jokes and we all reserve the right to be offended or to not find them funny. It's not mandatory to view or listen.

MrMusician18

Choochtown wrote: »

But what sort of faith is it when a joke about it causes so much upset that an Archbishop feels the need to comment? I would suggest not a very strong one.

If someone wants to believe in a virgin birth then ok. However when that person thinks that their (frankly ridiculous) belief is exempt from someone else making a joke about it then I do have a problem with that.

To put it into context: I have a very strong belief that there is no life on the moon. If RTE made a joke about creatures on the moon, would I be offended?

That's fine, but one group really shouldn't be constantly picked on - its behaviour that amounts to public bullying and humiliation. What has seemingly been allowed to happen and become acceptable is that the only faith group that can be denigrated is Christians. Is that right?

My second point was this was supposed to be an inclusive light entertainment show for the masses. Coarse "satire" (really not sure this is worthy of being called satire, but anyway) should be presented as that. The audience really should have an idea what they are going to be presented before sitting down to watch. No one really expects a show with crooners to suddenly take a turn and have a pop at their religious beliefs. Do they?

StevenToast

Can RTE Apologise for the whole NYE programme and not just that clip?

It was absolute dogsh*it

Smee_Again

GarIT wrote: »

Sounds like a gap in the market with the need for some sort of state broadcaster where people could expect not to be offended.

Why should anyone expect not to be offended? Particularly those who hold arbitrary beliefs based on books written millennia ago.

Ted_YNWA

ffarrell7 wrote: »

RTE is a depraved and anti-church channel and has been for decades now.

Ireland itself has become a hedonistic and immoral society where the abnormal has become the normal...i.e. Straight people being forced to embrace and endorse Gay values when fundamentally we may not agree with them.

Since when is Gay relationships normal behaviour?? I admit that these people are born this way but it is still not normal sexual behaviour in my opinion.

Not saying that the Gay community should not have the same rights as others but do we really need to have Gay Pride (during normal times) in our faces??



What about straight Pride.... ??? Maybe we could organise this post Covid??

RTE would not have the balls to criticise the Muslim religion as they know only too well the reaction they would get. Heads would roll....literally.

ffarrell7 wrote: »

Abuse is bad enough, horrendous even, but to willingly and willfully engage in ABNORMAL sexual worse is just as bad or worse in my opinion....

just as well the Gay community is in the minority (around 10 to 15% of the population) around or otherwise the human race would die out!!

Mod


Cut out the homophobic rhetoric.

Sir Oxman

ffarrell7 wrote: »

Abuse is bad enough, horrendous even, but to willingly and willfully engage in ABNORMAL sexual worse is just as bad or worse in my opinion....

just as well the Gay community is in the minority (around 10 to 15% of the population) around or otherwise the human race would die out!!

10-15%??!!
Gimme some leads on that extra 2.5% to 15% Mister!
<--that's not a come on

baldbear

I have no time for any religion but this was totally disrespectful especially as others have stated the audience watching on that night. So many elderly people with religious beliefs would watch that show & am sure they would be offended.

Will Rte put out jokes about the Muslim or Jewish faith now?

growleaves

MrMusician18 wrote: »

That's fine, but one group really shouldn't be constantly picked on - its behaviour that amounts to public bullying and humiliation. What has seemingly been allowed to happen and become acceptable is that the only faith group that can be denigrated is Christians. Is that right?

My second point was this was supposed to be an inclusive light entertainment show for the masses. Coarse "satire" (really not sure this is worthy of being called satire, but anyway) should be presented as that. The audience really should have an idea what they are going to be presented before sitting down to watch. No one really expects a show with crooners to suddenly take a turn and have a pop at their religious beliefs?

It will very soon be a criminal offence to make fun of Jews, Hindus, Muslims, gays, travellers etc. It will make you officially a "hate criminal" with convictions barring you from employment.

People should take a step back, like you say, and see that piling on Christians is quite unfair.

What is happening is that hatred and laughter against one group is encouraged and paid for, while jokes about anyone else is a serious offence.

TheValeyard

Donald Trump wrote: »

Go ahead and make a joke there, tasteless as you'd like, about the recent incident where a man was shot dead by the Guards and I'd say you wouldn't be too long before receiving an onslaught of outrage, and probably quick removal from this site. As you should be


If you want to want to die on that hill for your belief in the sanctity of "comedy" then go and find the most tasteless remark you can find about that incident on twitter and post it on the thread.

Why would I make a joke about that horrific event? I Could, and should be able to if I wanted, but I wouldnt.

Anyhow, your presidency must be the longest running joke now

GarIT

Smee_Again wrote: »

Why should anyone expect not to be offended? Particularly those who hold arbitrary beliefs based on books written millennia ago.

Some people might like not to be. Maybe we can allow them that rather than pursuing them with "I have a right to offend you if I want to"

GarIT

growleaves wrote: »

It will very soon be a criminal offence to make fun of Jews, Hindus, Muslims, gays, travellers etc. It will make you officially a "hate criminal" with convictions barring you from employment.

People should take a step back, like you say, and see that piling on Christians is quite unfair.

What is happening is that hatred and laughter against one group is encouraged and paid for, while jokes about anyone else is a serious offence.

The proposed legislation does include Christians and white Irish people. The only gap I could find was there are protections for against discrimination against the LGBT community but no protections for straight people.

Smee_Again

GarIT wrote: »

Some people might like not to be. Maybe we can allow them that rather than pursuing them with "I have a right to offend you if I want to"

No one likes to be offended equally no one has a right to not be offended.